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26th July 2020, 06:07 PM | #121 |
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The usual abysmal level of lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
The abysmal insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's dogma, etc. (no astronomer believes comets are actual rock) 430 items of lies, insults, etc. from Sol88 since ~10 March 2020
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26th July 2020, 06:15 PM | #122 |
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Maybe. Maybe not.
But what any of this have to do with The Electric Comet Theory (the topic of this thread)? Would you please cite at least one primary source (for The Electric Comet Theory), so we can all see for ourselves the relationship (if any) between what you posted and The Electric Comet Theory? Thank you in advance. |
26th July 2020, 06:50 PM | #123 |
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So a comet at its aphelion will charge (no coma, no outgassing) to the ambient plasma.
Is this correct reality check? |
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26th July 2020, 07:34 PM | #125 |
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Sol88 lies with "So a comet at its aphelion will charge (no coma, no outgassing) to the ambient plasma" which is irrelevant to his cult's debunked dogma.
No comet ever charges "to the ambient plasma" because plasma is quasi-neutral and Sol88 knows this. For mainstream ice and dust comets, the dust on a comet's nuclei can electrostatically charged by the solar wind and UV and may be ejected. The inverse square law means that this electrostatic dust charging reduces rapidly as a comet leaves the Sun. It is unlikely that any comet beyond say Jupiter is charged enough to eject dust. ETA: Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity (PDF) states "As suggested in the recent review given by Mendis and Horányi (2013), the nucleus of comet 67P may exhibit surface charging and dust levitation during the initial part of the Rosetta escort phase when the comet is expected to be only weakly outgassing.". IOW electrostatic ejection of dust is not detected from Earth and needs a spacecraft at the comet. The authors show that the flux of charged nanograins from sunlit regions (but not shadowed areas) might ne detected by the RPC-IES instrument |
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26th July 2020, 07:39 PM | #126 |
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Sol88 lies with "So you deny objects charging in a plasma enviroment?"
JeanTate wrote Maybe. Maybe not. But what any of this have to do with The Electric Comet Theory (the topic of this thread)? (my emphasis added) in reply to Sol88's "So far so good?" question about mainstream science. |
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26th July 2020, 08:06 PM | #129 |
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Sol88 lies with "So a comet with no coma and not outgassing, exposed to the solar wind ...?" which is not his cult's debunked dogma.
Sol88 lies with "The electric comet premise is the the nucleus is a charged object." when I wrote Sol88 lies [about JeanTate 's post] with "So you deny objects charging in a plasma enviroment?". Sol88 only cites mainstream ice and dust cometary science of temporary, electrostatic lifting of a trivial (not detected from Earth or maybe even Rosetta !) amount of dust. Sol88 lies with "Not possible you say reality check?" when I have been stating that the mainstream ice and dust cometary science of temporary, electrostatic lifting of a trivial (not detected from Earth or maybe even Rosetta !) amount of dust is possible for s few years now. |
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Will get to the dust being removed shortly.
Can the nucleus be charged via the known mechanisms to assume the same charge as the surrounding plasma, reality check? |
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Sol88 lies with "Will get to the dust being removed shortly." which is mainstream ice and dust cometary science irrelevant to his cult's debunked dogma.
Sol88 lies with another lying question irrelevant to his cult's debunked dogma. Sol88 lies with "the same charge as the surrounding plasma" when the surrounding plasma is neutral. The impact of the solar wind is what can electrostatically charge dust on a comet nucleus during low activity. This is predicted mainstream ice and dust cometary science. |
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27th July 2020, 04:50 AM | #133 |
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Please re-read what I actually wrote.
Please do not mis-represent what I write. Please answer my questions. Here they are again: What any of this have to do with The Electric Comet Theory (the topic of this thread)? Would you please cite at least one primary source (for The Electric Comet Theory), so we can all see for ourselves the relationship (if any) between what you posted and The Electric Comet Theory? |
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Anywhoo....from 1924 Also The Electrical Nature of Comets Can an object, in this case a rocky like cometary nucleus, charge when all currents some to zero at the comets aphelion, jean tate? As per The electrostatic plasma environment of a small airless body undernon-aligned plasmaflow and UV condition
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27th July 2020, 12:37 PM | #136 |
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I answered your question now pony up champ...
Can an object, in this case a rocky like cometary nucleus, charge when all currents some to zero at the comets aphelion, jean tate? |
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27th July 2020, 01:51 PM | #137 |
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Sol88 lies with The Present Status of the Electrical Theory of Comet Forms (1924) which shows that a solar charge cannot explain comet tails and so is probably radiation pressure. The other electrical theory is a now invalid charging of the comet forming the coma and tail.
Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill. Thanks yet again Sol88! Sol88 lies with a lying question. Comets are not rocky, a "all currents some to zero at the comets aphelion" fantasy (no coma = no currents in the coma!), a lie that comets are charged by currents. Sol88 lies with "The electrostatic plasma environment of a small airless body undernon-aligned plasmaflow and UV condition", a mainstream paper not about comets which have "air " - a coma. Sol88 repeats his lying "comets aphelion" question. |
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27th July 2020, 01:52 PM | #138 |
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Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill.
The Electrical Nature of Comets is a conference presentation by the documented liar and deluded (delusions that neutrons are a proton and electron, all forces are electromagnetism, the Earth is hollow, etc.) Wal Thornhill. Thornhiil spews out lies and delusions.
Wal Thornhill's 15 year old lie of a more energetic than expected Deep Impact impact. |
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27th July 2020, 02:02 PM | #139 |
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Cometary nuclei are charged objects... Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03
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Sol88 lies with "Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03" (no charging of 67P's nucleus).
Sol88 lies with "Is the dust charged?" when he has cited papers stating that surface dust may be electrostatically charged by the solar wind during low activity. Sol88 lies with "Is the nucleus charged?" when he has cited papers stating that surface dust may be electrostatically charged by the solar wind during low activity. |
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27th July 2020, 02:25 PM | #141 |
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Thanks!
My first impression, upon reading these three, is that they have ~nothing to do with each other! Certainly the third seems in no way, shape, or form to be about any Electric Comet Theory (much less "The" Electric Comet Theory). And the first (from 1924) seems incompatible with the second (by Thornhill) at a pretty fundamental level. At least as I understand an overwhelming, core part of your many posts here; namely: there is no plasma in Benioff's paper (the space between the Sun and a comet is a vacuum), while in Thornhill's it is vital. Are you presenting two (or three), quite different, Electric Comet Theories? Can you clarify please? |
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First, is "some" a typo? Do you mean "sum"?
Second, per Benioff (your first "Electric Comet Theory" source), it is unclear whether cometary nuclei are "rocky like" or not. And I'll have to let you answer the question as to whether or not, per Benioff, "all currents some [sic] to zero at the comets [sic] aphelion". If only because I cannot identify what currents there are. Third, re Thornhill ... well, why don't I let you answer? |
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Here's another way to look at this: for a long time I've been trying to get Sol88 to cite a primary source for The Electric Comet Theory, the topic that this thread is supposed to be about.
Many of us - myself included - have assumed he's referring to a derivative of the Electric Universe ideas of Thornhill and Talbott (and others). But, until just now, he's never actually said so explicitly. So, at long last*, we can start to have a discussion of The Electric Comet Theory with the only ISF member who is currently defending/presenting/explaining it! *IIRC, Talbott made a brief appearance many years ago |
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jean tate? Can the nucleus with no coma or outgassing attain a floating potential of the surrounding plasma, jean tate? pretty standard stuff really...
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Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill again
Thank you again Sol88 for showing that Wal Thornihillis deluded about physics yet again!
Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill. Sol88 quoted this from Wal Thornihill.
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Thornhill's delusion that a radial electric field will accelerate neutral atoms. Thornhill's delusion that a radial electric field will accelerate electrons in the same direction. An electric field will slow down either elections or ions. Thornhill's delusion that a radial electric field can account for the observed acceleration of the solar wind which mostly happens close to the Sun. Thermal acceleration creates a wind out to the corona and processes in the corona accelerate it further (theoretically to a peak and then decreasing). Evolution of the Solar Wind Speed with Heliocentric Distance and Solar Cycle. (PDF) shows that there is an increasing V(r) component and a decreasing V(r) component. |
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Sorry, you seem to have missed that they are indeed solar wind electrons that are being accelerated. As Thornhill had alluded to. Difficult, isn't it, jean tate. Ions of the solar wind are of no consequence! The highly mobile electrons are. The suprathermal electron affect dust grain charging processes. This we "see" in the form of dust being electrostaticlly lifted of the nucleus surface as "jets". |
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Sol88 lies with "Dust charging processes in the nonequilibrium dusty plasma with nonextensive power-law distribution" and an irrelevant quote.
Sol88 lies with irrelevant gibberish about that irrelevant paper. Sol88 lies with "Spacecraft Charging" which is about spacecraft charging ! Sol88 lies with Thornhill's solar wind delusion which is not Devin's science about solar wind electrons being accelerated locally in a comet coma. Sol88 lies with "As Thornhill had alluded to." when Thornhill wrote and Sol88 highlighted "solar-wind plasma" (electrons and ions) being accelerated by the cult's imaginary radial (radiating out from the Sun) electric field. Sol88 lies with "Ions of the solar wind are of no consequence!". They exist and have consequences. Sol88 lies with "dust being electrostaticlly lifted" which is not in his cult's dead dogma Sol88 lies with "in the form of dust being electrostaticlly lifted of the nucleus surface" when we have never seen dust being electrostatically lifted of the nucleus surface. Sol88 lies with "in the form of dust being electrostaticlly lifted of the nucleus surface as "jets"". Mainstream ice and dust comets have the possibility of dust being electrostatically lifted of the nucleus surface over the entire surface. Sol88 lies with "... as "jets"" when jets are gas and dust and his cult's dead dogma has jets as impossible electric discharges. Sol88 lies with citing "A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet" which is nothing to do with Wal Thornhill's delusions. Sol88 lies that a paper only about electron acceleration is about the acceleration of the solar wind (electrons and ions). Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill. Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill yet again. A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet is mainstream ice and dust cometary science mentioning that solar wind electrons are accelerated locally in a comet coma. |
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No, you are pretty cluey though, but in reality, they are charged objects in a supersonic plasma flow. Electrons, light little buggers... So, steenkh, that being the case, one assumes that an airless, magnetic field free, rocky like cometary nucleus immersed in said plasma flow, would obtain a floating potential with respect to said plasma flow.
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Remember this, Sol88?
(my hilite) Yet, in the Benioff (1924) version of The Electric Comet Theory (which you cited as a primary source), the universe (or at least the Sun and comets) is exactly as Lukraak_Sisser describes! Would you care to try to reconcile the two please? |
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Let's see now ... Same quotes, different hilites:
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Or, "I think you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting (or both) both the documents you quote from" perhaps?
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In short, it seems that Divan et al. (2020) is at best irrelevant to Thornhill (2007)'s claims (and at worst contradicts them). Care to try again? |
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Sol88 lies with "in reality, they are charged objects in a supersonic plasma flow" when Earth is not a airless body ! Ditto for Venus and Mars. They are not charged by the mainstream (not his part of cult's dogma) process of the solar wind reaching the surface and electrostatically charging dust.
Sol88 persistently lies with "rocky like cometary nucleus" when it is rocky like behavior of landslides on 67P. Sol88 cites the documented liar and obviously deluded (Hollow Earth believer!) Wal Thornhill again. Sol88 lies with "Divin has confirmed this is the case." Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill. Sol88 empathizes the lies and delusions of his cult prophet Wal Thornihill yet again. Sol88 lies about A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet is mainstream ice and dust cometary science mentioning that solar wind electrons are accelerated locally in a comet coma |
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Seems the suprathermal electrons and the field aligned ambipolar electric field has quite a dominant role in charging the dust. Possibly, as the charged patched model shows, it maybe the dominant cause of the dust jets! You do know, jean tate, that the dust is being electrically removed and collimated? |
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