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The behaviour of US police officers - part 2
Someone had mentioned that there needs to be laws in order to deal with the specific issue of police brutality.
Perhaps not, seems we just need a willingness to prosecute under existing laws. Chauvin and his three accomplices have just been charged by the feds for criminal civil rights violations.
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Seems that this logic could probably apply to any case of police excessive force. While violent crime is often a matter covered by state law, brutality by police is arguably always a federal issue if you look through the lens of civil rights. I'm guessing that a federal conviction is only going to be a cherry on top though. The bulk of punishment potential comes for the violent crime law itself, which is handled at the state level. It's noteworthy that Chauvin, in addition to murder of Floyd, is also facing a criminal civil rights indictment for an unrelated incident where he brutalized a 14 year old boy.
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Killer cop gets another job as a cop even as criminal investigation into the killing is still open. Treating police brutality as a HR problem is never going to work.
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Nazi cop pleads guilty to owning illegal firearms.
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Just heard on CNN that body cam video of the Brown killing will not be released, cannot find a link. I assume the federal DOJ can override that at some point, but I don't know for sure.
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Same cop bragged to his nazi friends about beating up black people and disenfranchising black voters with false felony convictions.
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Meanwhile in the UK
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Remember the Loveland, Colorado police who used excessive force to arrest a 73 year old woman with dementia?
I called it one of the most horrible and heartbreaking things I've seen. But, Jesus ******* Christ, that case actually got worse!
They're bragging and laughing about it, with the woman injured and in handcuffs just a few meters away. How can this happen? How can these people be employed as police officers? |
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They've resigned or been fired. Guess the news story takes a while to get across the pond.
Three Colorado police officers no longer employed after arrest of 73-year-old woman with dementia
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As Craig4 says, this is only a symptom of the problems within that police force. Their culture is obviously vile towards the public and there needs to be a full and deep clensing. Starting at the top, who either approve, don't care, or aren't aware of their subordinates' behaviour even in the office. Ignorance is evidence of incompetence or negligence. It is hard to believe that such a force wouldn't have many officers who abuse their powers in other ways. |
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Gee, wonder why these far-right groups are so emboldened. Cops and Klan, hand in hand.
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A similar fascist mob has, in Dec 2020, attacked the Oregon state Capitol assaulting police and threatening violence against state legislators. Strange that police take such a hands off approach to this known lawless element, it's almost as if they tacitly endorse their brand of political violence. Hard to imagine a left or liberal unpermitted protest being met with such light response by police. |
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Cop openly displaying membership to armed right-wing extremist group will not be fired.
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Cops have dismally low vaccination rates. Not a surprise given how absolutely infected cop brains are with right wing extremist views.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...fety-concerns/ Fun fact, covid killed more cops in 2020 than all other on-duty causes of death combined. https://thedaily.case.edu/study-find...uses-combined/ |
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Home surveillance camera catches a cop deliberately damaging a person's car while executing a search warrant.
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Even if you're not someone calling for large defunding or abolishment, I'm not sure any meaningful reform is possible without a pretty significant turnover of current police staff. Not just leadership, but rank and file cops.
The culture of policing, especially in some of these more notorious, large departments, is rotten all the way through. You have cops that have spent their whole careers being shaped by this poison, years and decades of normalizing abuse and contempt for the rule of law. Sending new, fresh faces into this machine is just bound to produce more of the same. I don't see how meaningful reform is possible without starting from a near blank-slate. |
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It's my impression that at least a portion (not all, of course) of the people who speak in terms of "abolishing" this or that police department, really mean this - that they're not against the theoretical idea of having a police department, but that they believe reform of the currently existing one is simply not feasible; that there is no baby anywhere in that bathwater, and the whole mess needs to be thrown out and something new created entirely from scratch in its place.
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"It was a case that came as a shock to many across the Cape Fear region. A well-known police lieutenant and youth football coach, criminally charged following an investigation by the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation (SBI). The accusation: that Shaun Appler offered a woman a “free pass” to get out of trouble with Wrightsville Beach Police, in exchange for nude photos or sex.
On Thursday, Appler entered an Alford plea in New Hanover County court... He will now have two convictions for obstruction of justice on his criminal record, and agreed that he would never wear a badge again in North Carolina." South Carolina is probably OK, though, right? https://www.wect.com/2021/05/06/vict...pleads-guilty/ |
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I used to think that we had a problem with institutional racism in policing. Then, I realized the problem is so much worse than that. The thugs, we're bringing into policing now are also racists. How we screen and select applicants for police jobs and how we promote people needs a complete overhaul.
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The real problem with U.S. policing:
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I also see that Bob001 and I have been making the same point about sheer number of police forces - and that large forces in the US are also problematic since at least 2015 that I can find...
My first quote is because the UK did have a lot of the issues that the US has. Just as there was a gun culture until well after the First World War - read any Sherlock Holmes story and see how normal it is considered for Dr Watson to have his service revolver. It's obviously fiction, but *that* part wasn't supposed to be the interesting part. |
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The other side of that is that a bad cop in a department of thousands is a tiny percentage compared to the bad cop in a department of two dozen. The story makes the interesting point that we may hear more about problems with big-city departments because they are in media centers with large legal and advocacy communities. If you are abused by a small-town cop, who you gonna call?
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As I said elsewhere - it looks as though Chief Wiggum or even Boss Hawg might be affectionate idealised versions of smalltown cops rather than harsh stereotypes.
And Homan Square (or Baltimore PD) show that even large forces can be utterly out of control - especially with Homan Square. Whole management branches should have been fired for that. |
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