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30th January 2022, 11:02 AM | #41 |
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30th January 2022, 11:13 AM | #44 |
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Now I don't doubt the authenticity of Shakespeare, but so far as we know the printer did not preserve the type set to print the first folio and astonishingly may have reused it to print other stuff. Makes you think, right?
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30th January 2022, 11:21 AM | #45 |
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He isn't avoiding it. As he stated, it's already been answered. He's trying to explain why it isn't "mind boggling" for that one tape to be lost. I'll bet much of the original tape and film from the Tet Offensive has been lost over the years. Is that mind boggling?
The fact that you want to avoid a discussion of why it isn't that big a deal and focus on the "tape was lost" narrative (which, as presented by the conspiracy theorists inspiring Candace Owens' idiotic Tweet is a gross misrepresentation implying that all of the original data has been "mysteriously" lost) says rather a lot. Like I said, you have to argue about something. |
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30th January 2022, 11:25 AM | #47 |
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30th January 2022, 11:38 AM | #48 |
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oops, I have the original "footage" in my head
You might want to learn about the history of visual presentations, broadcast video/TV, etc.
I saw the live broadcast from the moon... thus I have the original footage, in my head... LOL< original footage? Is that in feet, or fps... do you know how it was done? The original "footage" is preserved, since it was broadcast... WHAT is your point? Have you fallen for the insanity and stupidity it take to believe Apollo was fake? |
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30th January 2022, 11:41 AM | #49 |
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30th January 2022, 12:46 PM | #50 |
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Originally Posted by Candace Owens
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30th January 2022, 12:50 PM | #51 |
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But you didn't understand the simple answers given.
Or even the easy point, belabored here and many times elsewhere, that mental constructs; i.e. cultural artifacts such as "perfect" and "pure", fall apart when examined. There hasn't been any sort of seemless uniformity in nature since, I dunno, moment 10-gazillion after the BB, so these concepts are moot since before day one. To the point: This means defining "best" data involves the criteria and necessary choices already provided, not a search for some mythical and less useful absolute. |
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30th January 2022, 01:36 PM | #53 |
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30th January 2022, 02:22 PM | #54 |
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This tends to happen when you have someone who has utterly no clue about the subject material, firing off a knee-jerk response to an off the wall tweet from an idiot conspracy theorist
In all likelihood, the first time he ever heard of an issue with Apollo footage was when he read it in Owens' airheaded tweet. *** that sound you hear is desperate keyboard tapping as someone furiously searches the internet to find enough information to claim they knew about it all along. The problem is, as someone else right here in this thread once said "You can Google for information, but you cannot Google for understanding" |
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30th January 2022, 03:00 PM | #55 |
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Candace might not realize it was live and converted to NTSC on the fly, as I recall. She has no clue from the Slow-scan television (SSTV) camera/system, to the antenna to transmit back to earth, to the stations the USA had around the world for Apollo/Space telemetry, the complexity of the task. Clueless Candace.
I recorded the footage, live, with my 17 year old hippocampus multi-channel recorder, the "tape footage" now over 52 years old... how do I back up this "tape" before... (the camera was A1 standard eyeball, >20/10 vision then) https://www.scienceandmediamuseum.or...o-11-broadcast Some history... |
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30th January 2022, 03:48 PM | #58 |
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Here's the last time the topic of the missing tapes came up on the forum that I recall, before every thread became a venue for political point scoring:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=apollo+erased The conclusion back then was that what was lost was higher quality footage than what survives. This is the article mentioned in that thread: https://web.archive.org/web/20090719...sci_moon_video It talks about 45 tapes containing better quality video having been wiped. Those 45 tapes were amongst 200,000 that were erased, but it looks like they were just lost in the middle of 199,955 tapes of crap. Each tape contained 15 minutes, so that would be 11hrs 15mins of video. Supposedly the conversion mechanism used at the time meant that 40% of the detail that was on those tapes is lost. |
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You appear to have some serious reading compression issues. Please show us any statement made in this thread claiming certainty that the tapes still exist with the raw slow-scan, pre-conversion images. For that matter, please show a single post in this thread where any of us "folks" personally accuse you of of being an Apollo conspiracy theorist.
The article you didn't link to says some other things that you either didn't quote or didn't highlight.
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
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It's nothing to do with whether the moon landings happened. Just politics. Owens is a Trumper, Warp has to defend her no matter what.
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30th January 2022, 04:15 PM | #64 |
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Honestly if Warp wants to believe they should have retained those particular copies, and hold it against them that they didn't, that's fine with me. If he wants to argue that it's evidence of a hoax... that's also fine with me.
At this point you might as well just link him to one of the threads on ApolloHoax where this and other canards are thoroughly addressed, and leave him to stew in his own juices. |
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30th January 2022, 04:24 PM | #67 |
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it was a live event
You never had a point, just because the telemetry tapes are lost, does not mean there was not live recordings of a live TV broadcast, which is the first real "footage".
It was live event... darn, and it was recorded. Did you have a point other than you don't understand SSTV, do you understand the Kinescope recorded of the live event, thus is original footage. Doubt you could read the telemetry tapes, or even understand the "information theory" technology to make it possible... The science needed to pull off live TV transmitted from the Moon is complicated, no wonder you and Candace Owens don't understand it. It is complex, do you want to see the Kinescope? Some of them? What about the other moon missions, got problems with them? I expect this from anti-vaxxer Candace Owens. Do Kinescope and video tape recorded at the time of a live event count as original "footage"? https://www.scienceandmediamuseum.or...o-11-broadcast It was live... you missed the original if you were not there in 1969... original was live... oops, some people recorded the live event, does that count? 650 million viewers, did you miss it? Lucky it was recorded on various platforms. I saw it live, that day... guess you missed it. |
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To further comment on that, archiving of TV broadcasts wasn't a big desire back in the 1960s. It was the early days of tape, and video tape was very, very, VERY expensive, and were routinely wiped for reuse. This is why there are no copies of early episodes of classic TV programs and serials such as Dr Who, Sir Francis Drake, The Avengers, Out of the Unknown and Z Cars.
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30th January 2022, 04:59 PM | #72 |
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I'm well aware of the loss of the BBC archive. Unlike those, this looks like it was just lost and forgotten in amongst a bunch of old junk that was thrown out. The BBC destroyed their stuff far more intentionally. It was only 45 tapes, afterall. Normally, we look at that and agree it's unfortunate, rather than adamantly claiming that nothing was lost because a super 8 of somebody's TV screen supplies one half of a broadcast, and a 16mm transfer of most of the rest was found in a shed in Australia, or quibbling over whether the original footage is the live broadcast, or the poorer quality recording that was made by pointing a movie camera at a TV counts as the "original footage".
The arguing over this is pointless. From what I can see, nobody remotely connected to this conversation is even seriously claiming the moonlandings were a hoax, or claimed that the lost tapes were proof of a hoax. |
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... and which would in reality be a previous bit of nonsense dressed up differently, and will have already been repeatedly, thoroughly and scientifically debunked
Oh, and by the way, there are still posters at Apollohoax, there just isn't much for them to do now that the hoax believer morons are so few in numbers. Occasionally we get a new HB with a rehashed version of something. They get handed their arse pretty quick these days. |
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Somewhere above, I see someone noted that Owens doesn't likely actually believe in the hoax. A sign of the times, I guess, that once again there should be a question of whether the sheer stupidity of a statement is mitigated by its being a lie.
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There's a member over at Apollohoax (apollo16uvc) who has tracked down some old 1" Ampex tapes with "Apollo XI Landing 7-20-1969" and "Apollo XI Moon Walk 7-20-1969" labels on the boxes, and is in the process of trying to see if they are recoverable.
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1862.0 |
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30th January 2022, 05:18 PM | #77 |
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Well, the person whose tweet is the subject of the thread seemingly believes it.
I'm more curious about her remark about "the fuel tank size". What's that about? I presume she didn't perform her own calculations and lifted the idea from somewhere but it's not a CT line I'm familiar with. |
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