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2nd February 2022, 03:16 PM | #201 |
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Have you seen the trailers for the latest Roland Emmeirch epic "Moonfall"
Looks as if it is right up Owens alley with NASA as an evil agency involved in a conspiracy .... |
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2nd February 2022, 04:04 PM | #202 |
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I want to see a disaster movie about Roland Emmerich making another disaster movie.
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2nd February 2022, 04:29 PM | #203 |
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Thing is,from the trailers and early reviews, this looks incredibly stupid and crazy even for a Roland Emmerich movie.
He has gone full conspiracy theory crazy, which sort of ruins the "unintentinal laugh riot" aspect of the movie for me since with the damage conspiracy theories are doing to the US right now they are not a laughing matter anymore. |
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2nd February 2022, 11:32 PM | #204 |
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Not quite: the mud wasn't dry. Here's a quick video of how cuneiform was written.
Wikipedia says most of the time the tablets weren't dried; once they had served their purpose they were scraped clean and re-used. Most of the ones we have today most likely were fired for archival purposes, or were accidentally fired when the building they were in burned down. The ones we have today that weren't fired are very fragile. |
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27th January 2023, 01:46 PM | #207 |
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Well, I'm a big fan of Candace Owens, but she's out to lunch on this one. To be fair, she's not the only celebrity who has expressed doubt about the moon landings. Two NBA superstars, Steph Curry and Jalen Rose, have said they think the moon landings were faked. One of the main stars in Star Trek: The Next Generation, Jonathan Frakes, believes the moon landings were faked and even hosted a documentary that made this argument.
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27th January 2023, 02:15 PM | #208 |
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Yeah, right. Owens is not the only one "out to lunch".
ETA: Steph Curry and Apollo.
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27th January 2023, 02:35 PM | #209 |
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27th January 2023, 02:36 PM | #210 |
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I can't find info about the Frakes documentary, got anything specific?
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Kate Mulgrew was in a Flat Earth Documentary, but IIRC she said her involvement it was the result of the final product being misrepresented to her.
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27th January 2023, 02:51 PM | #212 |
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27th January 2023, 03:56 PM | #213 |
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This rumor started from the infamous program that aired on the Fox broadcast network something like 20 years ago now. The host was Mitch Pileggi, but in later years some people misremembered it as Jonathan Frakes, who (in contrast) is very much a space fan. This was back when Fox Entertainment and Fox News were separate companies that shared the same broadcast channel. This was also back before Rupert Murdock drank the Flavor Aid, and Fox News tried to compensate for the damage done by its sibling by airing interviews with space experts and science communicators.
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27th January 2023, 04:05 PM | #215 |
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I can't believe that this thread existed a year ago, but it serves me right to stay hidden in the 9/11 threads. From reading everything the cast of those wo work in the space related fields won the day, as usual. Good work guys.
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27th January 2023, 04:37 PM | #216 |
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Nitpick, because I must: Geocentrism, not flat earth. Michio Kaku was also in it, because of course he was.
This kind of thing happens a lot. I seem to recall P.Z. Meyers appearing in a creationist film. |
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I remember this differently from you.
I dont recall Frakes being part of the original Alien Autopsy special. I specifically remember him covering it on a separate "Fact or Fiction" series that he hosted. His treatment of it during the segment was straight; however, his conclusion was not. At the end of the segment, he mused that the viewer probably expects him to give some noncommittal closing statement, and then said, "I just can't do that. I think this tape is a big fat fraud." It was striking to me because it was the first and only time I saw him directly call out something like that on his show. |
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Here is the [ETA: Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction] video. This is legal to watch, as Tubi TV is a legitimate streaming service owned by Fox. You will see that Frakes does in fact insinuate that the [ETA: autopsy] video could well be legitimate. Possibly he recanted in a later program. |
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2nd February 2023, 02:36 PM | #224 |
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It was a special, Frakes work on Beyond belief fact or fiction came a couple years later.
I recall it being more a case of him seeming somewhat skeptical but by no means declaring it a fraud, and in fact Waxed poetic about what a journey said alien would need to take. This, and several other things he did led to his nickname of Johnathan Fakes among online skeptics for a time. Aaaand ninja’d by Spitfire. |
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It could very well be that I'm misremembering. The segment with the quote that I remember was from a showcase or magazine type show dealing with paranormal topics, whereas Frakes' filmography only has him participating in "Beyond Belief" which was an anthology series; i.e. not the same kind of show as what I'm thinking of.
It's also important to consider that celebrities' historical statements dismissing this or that conspiracy theory or paranormal belief aren't necessarily valid anymore; a lot of more conservative celebrities began openly embracing such beliefs and theories as doing so became part of a performative right-wing loyalty culture during Trump's presidency. |
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Keep in mind also that celebrities who appear as hosts or moderators on these programs aren't necessarily giving their personal views. These programs have producers and directors who have an idea of what they want the program to say. The celebrity is simply hired to participate, and may be scripted or coached accordingly.
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Until you posted this, I didn't know who hosted the program as I was seriously PO about the program and forgot details, just the show's incompetence. Several years later I searched for some program, probably Y-Tube about Apollo and there was some rube on there arguing aspects I never thought of, that's when I joined Apollohoax.net and met all the wonderful people, including yourself and learned a lot of what I did not know.
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And we know that in this case, the producers deliberately mislead some of the participants and edited what they said to change their meaning. It is possible that Frakes was given a script that made it more clear that the show was fiction or based on an alleged incident or whatever then those parts of the voice overs were deleted.
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9th February 2023, 07:51 AM | #232 |
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That's even done with witnesses. Like the time Buzz Aldrin described the Apollo 11 crew seeing something strange out the port on their way to the moon, and how they eventually figured out it was one of the Lunar Module Adapter panels spinning in space miles away from them. But the latter explanation was left out of the "documentary" to make it sound like Buzz was claiming they saw a UFO.
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Of course there's also the Dark Side of the Moon mockumentary, which I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of Apollo hoaxers thought was legit.
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There are two widely circulated videos alleging Kubrick's involvement (one a fake interview, one doctored footage inserting him into a variety of scenes), both of which are demonstrably fake and obviously making mischief with the conspiracy crowd, but which are regularly cited as some sort of proof.
Then there's the alleged wikileaks release claiming to show Apollo faking but it's just behind the scenes on Capricorn One. All very easy to debunk, all swallowed whole by people desperate to confirm their bias. Point this out and the response is often that it's been planted to make conspiracy theorists look stupid. They really don't need the help. |
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Astrobrant did a couple of very good videos examining the "faked by Kubrick" claim. It seems rather clear that the people who claim that the Apollo images look just like the FX shots from 2001 have watched neither.
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I am seriously embarrassed to admit they were YouTube posters I engaged in argument with some years ago (5-10?). Were I to ever resurrect those posts and identify them, all you would have to do is pretend you convinced me of an Apollo hoax, and they would buy anything you are pedaling. |
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