There Really Was Some Voter Fraud! - Page 5

Fidelio · 14th January 2022, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

I heard an interview on NPR today with a county election official in Florida, a Republican, who says his office is tied up with lots of FOIA requests from people convinced the election was stolen. He says the election was not stolen, he found no fraud in his county, and Biden is President. He will probably get primaried in his next election in 2024.

" He will probably get primaried in his next election in 2024." As in "the little thingey in the center of a rifle round" is called a primer?

Stacyhs · 26th August 2022, 01:37 AM

A couple years ago, I got into a discussion with a conservative ISF member about election fraud. As an example of Democrat voter fraud, the case of a Texas small town mayor, Richard Molina, was brought up.

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His high-profile arrest by the state’s election fraud unit in 2019 was announced by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton as part of what he described as “an organized illegal voting scheme” in the November 2017 municipal election.

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According to a 2019 news release from the attorney general’s office, Molina was accused of directing voters to change their addresses to places where they did not live — including an apartment complex owned by Molina — so they could vote for him. Molina won the election by 1,240 votes, unseating then-incumbent Mayor Richard Garcia (R) in the South Texas town.

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The Monitor newspaper in McAllen reported that prosecutors described the case as one “about lying and cheating.”

Yesterday

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Local news outlets reported Molina was acquitted on a 12-count indictment that included one count of engaging in organized voter fraud and 11 counts of illegal voting.

gnome · 26th August 2022, 05:39 AM

Worth understanding... was the acquittal because they failed to prove he issued such directions?

Stacyhs · 26th August 2022, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

Worth understanding... was the acquittal because they failed to prove he issued such directions?

As stated in the article:

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During the trial, Molina’s attorneys said he had not intended to violate election laws. They presented a “mistake of law defense,” arguing the former mayor relied on “reasonable authorities” when he instructed voters they could change the address to participate in Edinburg elections, according to reports by The Monitor.

From Justicia.com:

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Mistake of law is a defense that the criminal defendant misunderstood or was ignorant of the law as it existed at the time. The onus is generally placed on individuals to be aware of the laws of their state or community, and thus this defense only applies in very limited circumstances.

Specifically, mistake of law can be used as a defense in four limited circumstances:

When the law has not been published;

When the defendant relied upon a law or statute that was later overturned or deemed unconstitutional;

When the defendant relied upon a judicial decision that was later overruled; or

When the defendant relied upon an interpretation by an applicable official.

Additionally, the defendant’s reliance on any of these sources must have been reasonable, much like mistake of fact.

kookbreaker · 26th August 2022, 01:46 PM

The local or state GOP probably made a bunch of rules, and as is their norm hid and obfuscated them as much as possible in their efforts to make it harder for certain folks to vote. This person probably was unable to find the relevant laws.

CORed · 26th August 2022, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?

The quote says "up to 19 years" which usually means that 19 years is the maximum sentence for the offense, so it is pretty unlikely that the person charged will actually get anything close to that. But yeah, 19 years seems extremely harsh.

Stacyhs · 26th August 2022, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

The quote says "up to 19 years" which usually means that 19 years is the maximum sentence for the offense, so it is pretty unlikely that the person charged will actually get anything close to that. But yeah, 19 years seems extremely harsh.

Nineteen years is especially hard on all the dead people who voted.

Stacyhs · 13th January 2023, 01:46 PM

Shocking news: more voter fraud has been discovered. Not so shocking news: it was for a Republican candidate.

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The wife of an Iowa Republican who ran for Congress in 2020 was arrested Thursday and accused of casting 23 fraudulent votes on behalf of her husband.

In an 11-page indictment, prosecutors allege that Kim Phuong Taylor "visited numerous households within the Vietnamese community in Woodbury County," where she collected absentee ballots for people who were not present at the time. Taylor, who was born in Vietnam, then filled out and cast those ballots herself, the indictment alleges, "causing the casting of votes in the names of residents who had no knowledge of and had not consented to the casting of their ballots."

Taylor is also accused of signing voter registration forms on behalf of residents who were not present. In all, prosecutors allege, she engaged in 26 counts of providing false information and voting, three counts of fraudulent registration, and 23 counts of fraudulent voting. Each charge carries a maximum 5-year prison sentence.

gnome · 13th January 2023, 02:30 PM

"See, this proves we were right all along!"

More seriously, I would be interested to know how she was caught. That could help publicize how election safeguards prevent this from going on at a large scale.

novaphile · 13th January 2023, 03:13 PM

It was probably pretty basic.

23 people were accused of voting twice (once in person, once by postal ballot).

When contacted, all 23 said: "No, I definitely voted in person, not by mail."

A couple of them may have also said: "Hmm... Mrs X was bragging that she voted 23 times for her husband."

All the postal votes had the same handwriting.

Mrs X put her brag on social media...

To put this in context:

I worked for a while in an investigations/overpayments area for a government department.
Pretty much every case hinged on the thief being breathtakingly stupid.

(For example banking all the cheques into the same account and providing the same photo ID on each occasion.)

gnome · 15th January 2023, 10:50 AM

That doesn't surprise me.

So in this case the successful election safeguard could be checking whether the same person voted two different ways.

dann · 16th January 2023, 01:26 PM

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As Donald Trump clings to claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election, Republicans are still making headlines for actually committing voter fraud. Mehdi Hasan updates the list.
List of Republicans committing voter fraud continues to grow (MSNBC on YouTube, Jan 14, 2023 - 4:21)

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Stacyhs · 16th January 2023, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by dann

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I AGREE

I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

As the saying goes, every accusation is a confession when it comes to the GOP.

14th January 2022, 06:13 PM	#161
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26th August 2022, 05:39 AM	#163
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26th August 2022, 01:46 PM	#165
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,380	The local or state GOP probably made a bunch of rules, and as is their norm hid and obfuscated them as much as possible in their efforts to make it harder for certain folks to vote. This person probably was unable to find the relevant laws.
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13th January 2023, 02:30 PM	#169
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,570	"See, this proves we were right all along!" More seriously, I would be interested to know how she was caught. That could help publicize how election safeguards prevent this from going on at a large scale.
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13th January 2023, 03:13 PM	#170
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 4,369	It was probably pretty basic. 23 people were accused of voting twice (once in person, once by postal ballot). When contacted, all 23 said: "No, I definitely voted in person, not by mail." A couple of them may have also said: "Hmm... Mrs X was bragging that she voted 23 times for her husband." All the postal votes had the same handwriting. Mrs X put her brag on social media... To put this in context: I worked for a while in an investigations/overpayments area for a government department. Pretty much every case hinged on the thief being breathtakingly stupid. (For example banking all the cheques into the same account and providing the same photo ID on each occasion.)
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26th August 2022, 01:37 AM	#162
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	A couple years ago, I got into a discussion with a conservative ISF member about election fraud. As an example of Democrat voter fraud, the case of a Texas small town mayor, Richard Molina, was brought up. Quote: His high-profile arrest by the state’s election fraud unit in 2019 was announced by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton as part of what he described as “an organized illegal voting scheme” in the November 2017 municipal election. Quote: According to a 2019 news release from the attorney general’s office, Molina was accused of directing voters to change their addresses to places where they did not live — including an apartment complex owned by Molina — so they could vote for him. Molina won the election by 1,240 votes, unseating then-incumbent Mayor Richard Garcia (R) in the South Texas town. Quote: The Monitor newspaper in McAllen reported that prosecutors described the case as one “about lying and cheating.” Yesterday Quote: Local news outlets reported Molina was acquitted on a 12-count indictment that included one count of engaging in organized voter fraud and 11 counts of illegal voting.

26th August 2022, 01:17 PM	#164
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Originally Posted by gnome Worth understanding... was the acquittal because they failed to prove he issued such directions? As stated in the article: Quote: During the trial, Molina’s attorneys said he had not intended to violate election laws. They presented a “mistake of law defense,” arguing the former mayor relied on “reasonable authorities” when he instructed voters they could change the address to participate in Edinburg elections, according to reports by The Monitor. From Justicia.com: Quote: Mistake of law is a defense that the criminal defendant misunderstood or was ignorant of the law as it existed at the time. The onus is generally placed on individuals to be aware of the laws of their state or community, and thus this defense only applies in very limited circumstances. Specifically, mistake of law can be used as a defense in four limited circumstances: When the law has not been published; When the defendant relied upon a law or statute that was later overturned or deemed unconstitutional; When the defendant relied upon a judicial decision that was later overruled; or When the defendant relied upon an interpretation by an applicable official. Additionally, the defendant’s reliance on any of these sources must have been reasonable, much like mistake of fact.

26th August 2022, 03:13 PM	#166
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,564	Originally Posted by Firestone While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment? The quote says "up to 19 years" which usually means that 19 years is the maximum sentence for the offense, so it is pretty unlikely that the person charged will actually get anything close to that. But yeah, 19 years seems extremely harsh.

26th August 2022, 03:31 PM	#167
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Originally Posted by CORed The quote says "up to 19 years" which usually means that 19 years is the maximum sentence for the offense, so it is pretty unlikely that the person charged will actually get anything close to that. But yeah, 19 years seems extremely harsh. Nineteen years is especially hard on all the dead people who voted.

13th January 2023, 01:46 PM	#168
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Shocking news: more voter fraud has been discovered. Not so shocking news: it was for a Republican candidate. Quote: The wife of an Iowa Republican who ran for Congress in 2020 was arrested Thursday and accused of casting 23 fraudulent votes on behalf of her husband. In an 11-page indictment, prosecutors allege that Kim Phuong Taylor "visited numerous households within the Vietnamese community in Woodbury County," where she collected absentee ballots for people who were not present at the time. Taylor, who was born in Vietnam, then filled out and cast those ballots herself, the indictment alleges, "causing the casting of votes in the names of residents who had no knowledge of and had not consented to the casting of their ballots." Taylor is also accused of signing voter registration forms on behalf of residents who were not present. In all, prosecutors allege, she engaged in 26 counts of providing false information and voting, three counts of fraudulent registration, and 23 counts of fraudulent voting. Each charge carries a maximum 5-year prison sentence.

15th January 2023, 10:50 AM	#171
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,570	That doesn't surprise me. So in this case the successful election safeguard could be checking whether the same person voted two different ways.
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