Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! - Page 10

MarkCorrigan · 5th January 2023, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by carlosy

Quick search on google:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...s-a-game-show/

Seems like even Fox is not amused about the Rep show.

Wow. Well done Boebert, you've made Sean Hannity look like the sensible and reasonable person.

acbytesla · 5th January 2023, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I assume theres no precedent and probably no rules... what happens if a congressman comes in, and shoots several of the other party lowering the quorum number?

I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law.

shemp · 5th January 2023, 05:02 PM

We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.

slyjoe · 5th January 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

Wow. Well done Boebert, you've made Sean Hannity look like the sensible and reasonable person.

And they said someone who took the GED exam 3 times wouldn't accomplish anything.

shemp · 5th January 2023, 05:04 PM

Maybe Kari Lake will rush into the House chamber and scream that this election has been stolen, and declare herself Speaker.

dudalb · 5th January 2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.

THis is no worse then some stunts in other countries......like the revolving chair of the UK Prime Minister.
But you love being the prophet of doom, don't you?

shemp · 5th January 2023, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

THis is no worse then some stunts in other countries......like the revolving chair of the UK Prime Minister.
But you love being the prophet of doom, don't you?

My love of annoying you grows with every response.

lobosrul5 · 5th January 2023, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law.

One hopes. But what happens with the vote ... Are the dead congressmen counted as "present" if they can't answer?

mgidm86 · 5th January 2023, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I wasn't sure about the rules so I looked them up.

Its true... food/snacks are not allowed on the floor of the house, and the only type of drink allowed is water.

Although with the removal of the metal detectors, congressmen will be able to bring guns into the building. I suspect this will be useful if they have to hunt spectators for food.

A bit off topic but I just read up on this metal detector complaint from Republicans. I hadn't followed it before. They complained because the Democrats wanted them, nothing else. Of course.

Why don't the Dems try and push through a bill saying it is illegal for Republican congress folk to shoot themselves in the head? Worth a try.

Trebuchet · 5th January 2023, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.

"Nightmare"? It's a wet dream! I've come 11 times already and not even touched myself!

psionl0 · 5th January 2023, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

As Norman Alexander points out. Before the election, and for the last 160 years there hasn't been a problem, the party with the most Representatives selected one from among their number to act as Speaker - usually on the first ballot.

Unless they were clairvoyant how would the Democrats have known that the needed to tweak the rules to accommodate a GOP majority too small to cope with the idiots in their own ranks ?

If this was a regular occurrence then you might have a point, but it isn't.

If the house is going to make a rule that it takes 218 votes to elect a speaker then anybody with half a brain is going to ask, "What if we can't get 218 votes?".

And it has happened before:

Quote:

The last time the House failed to elect a leader was in December 1923, when it took nine votes over three days to finally pick Republican Frederick Gillett of Massachusetts to a third term as Speaker.

The longest battle ever for House Speaker occurred in 1856. That war lasted two months and took 133 votes before Republican Nathaniel Banks, a Union general from Massachusetts, was chosen Speaker.

https://www.insideedition.com/us-hou...s-matters-what

Stacyhs · 5th January 2023, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

A bit off topic but I just read up on this metal detector complaint from Republicans. I hadn't followed it before. They complained because the Democrats wanted them, nothing else. Of course.

Why don't the Dems try and push through a bill saying it is illegal for Republican congress folk to shoot themselves in the head? Worth a try.

Now that the metal detectors are gone, it removes the obstacle of getting the gun into the Capitol.

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 06:24 PM

Re guns: I'm sure the Capitol Police including the Sergeant at Arms will deal with any rogue pistol-wavers in short order. Boebert is only a runt - she can be carried out under one arm.

Checkmite · 5th January 2023, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.

It's a curiosity surely, but I don't think the world is invested enough in the procedural minutiae of the US House to be laughing about it quite yet.

Stacyhs · 5th January 2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Re guns: I'm sure the Capitol Police including the Sergeant at Arms will deal with any rogue pistol-wavers in short order. Boebert is only a runt - she can be carried out under one arm.

Don't tease. It's cruel.

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

It's a curiosity surely, but I don't think the world is invested enough in the procedural minutiae of the US House to be laughing about it quite yet.

Sadly, not so. It is headline news here in the antipodes and has been since vote 1. It is sort of stunning and sad in a mix, like watching your friend continuously fail their driving license re-test when their only job is being a taxi driver. After 11 failures, you start to seriously wonder if they really want the job at all.

alfaniner · 5th January 2023, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I wasn't sure about the rules so I looked them up.

Its true... food/snacks are not allowed on the floor of the house, and the only type of drink allowed is water.

Although with the removal of the metal detectors, congressmen will be able to bring guns into the building. I suspect this will be useful if they have to hunt spectators for food.

I thought I saw someone chewing gum today? Maybe it's not technically food, but it still looks childish. (allowing that it might be Nicorette)

Skeptic Ginger · 5th January 2023, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.

Meh.

How is this different from the weeks and weeks Congress is in recess every year?

Bob001 · 5th January 2023, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Now that the metal detectors are gone, it removes the obstacle of getting the gun into the Capitol.

Who says the metal detectors are gone? I don't think anybody wants that. The dispute was that some Repub members felt they shouldn't have to be screened themselves.

Jim_MDP · 5th January 2023, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by sinnikal

I'm a UK citizen who researched for some months about leaving from before the Brexit vote in 2016. I moved to Spain 3 years ago and haven't regretted a moment. It was just a gut feeling ... US and UK politics is FUBAR. I now live in a country with a ... (gasp) ... socialist leader. It's marvellous, y'all should try it.

It's really not, never has been.
Never will be... human nature precludes it, in the long run.

But enjoy your stay there as and while you can.

Stacyhs · 5th January 2023, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Who says the metal detectors are gone? I don't think anybody wants that. The dispute was that some Repub members felt they shouldn't have to be screened themselves.

This does.

Quote:

When I arrived in Congress two years, Nancy Pelosi put this hunk of garbage outside of the House chambers for members of Congress to go through,” Boebert said, as the metal detectors were removed behind her. “Today, they are being removed and we are turning Pelosi’s House back into the people’s House.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

Bob001 · 5th January 2023, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This does.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

Well, that's disturbing. Maybe the cops should start doing pat-downs.

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This does.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II?

Bob001 · 5th January 2023, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II?

Yes.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-la...-in-new-video/

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Yes.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-la...-in-new-video/

Yeah saw that before. She thinks she looks cool and unafraid. Everyone else thinks she is a Class-A moron.

Annie Oakley could shoot well. Boebert will shoot herself in the ass. Or as a gun enthusiast told me, some punk will pull the pistol out of the holster behind her back and have it pressed in her spine before she knows it has gone.

Resume · 5th January 2023, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Yeah saw that before. She thinks she looks cool and unafraid. Everyone else thinks she is a Class-A moron.

Annie Oakley could shoot well. Boebert will shoot herself in the ass. Or as a gun enthusiast told me, some punk will pull the pistol out of the holster behind her back and have it pressed in her spine before she knows it has gone.

Open carry tells the bad guy who to shoot first; plus, he then gets a valuable firearm.

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law.

Not in Texas, if you pick the right victim.

acbytesla · 5th January 2023, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Not in Texas, if you pick the right victim.

I forgot.

It's still open season on coloreds and immigrants down there.

Regnad Kcin · 5th January 2023, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Faydra

Quote of the day: "GOP learns the hard way: Turning the base up too high blows out your speaker."

Gold.

newyorkguy · 5th January 2023, 09:04 PM

GOP poised to go into meltdown mode. From National Review, a conservative news source:

Quote:

“I’m not sure how Lauren Boebert on one hand can demand so much out of Kevin McCarthy, but then demand nothing out of someone else and be willing to vote for them to be speaker,” Marjorie Taylor Greene told CNN. “That’s not serious, I don’t think that’s leadership, and I really see it as more obstruction.”

Representative Dan Crenshaw (R., Texas) on Wednesday slammed the group, saying: “I’m tired of your stupid platitudes that some consultant told you to say on the campaign trail, alright. Behind closed doors tell us what you actually want, or shut the ******* up,” according to the Washington Post’s Dylan Wells. National Review link

lobosrul5 · 5th January 2023, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

GOP poised to go into meltdown mode. From National Review, a conservative news source:

Hmmm 🤔. When MTG and Dan Crenshaw and MTG are the relatively reasonable ones... Well my sensors are telling me.thr holdouts aren't "for real" they're playing games for political points. Except Gaetz, that guys genuinely BFI.

Regnad Kcin · 5th January 2023, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This does.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II?

Will Smith should slap her.

Norman Alexander · 5th January 2023, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Hmmm 🤔. When MTG and Dan Crenshaw and MTG are the relatively reasonable ones... Well my sensors are telling me.thr holdouts aren't "for real" they're playing games for political points. Except Gaetz, that guys genuinely BFI.

If this ever gets resolved (yeah, I know), the ****-stirrers are going to be relegated by their own team to fetching coffee for the coffee-fetchers for the next 2 years. They may THINK they are getting plum committee assignments and other concessions, but the people that are promising them are first-class liars and double-dealers. They will get less than zero; they will get shafted, demoted and de-selected at the next election.

Pixel42 · 5th January 2023, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Sadly, not so. It is headline news here in the antipodes and has been since vote 1. It is sort of stunning and sad in a mix, like watching your friend continuously fail their driving license re-test when their only job is being a taxi driver. After 11 failures, you start to seriously wonder if they really want the job at all.

The BBC included it in their 2 minute news summary on Radio 3 this morning, and it's the main headline on the Guardian website, so there seems to be plenty of interest in it here too. Maybe it's just the reassurance that we're not the world's only political **** show.

Gulliver Foyle · 6th January 2023, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

Below is a quote from a Pew Research poll of the 2020 election.

I don't want to derail this thread, so to bring it back on topic, again I think what we're seeing is, a GOP that is divided against itself. I think there clearly are two factions within the GOP, and have been since Nixon began attracting Dixiecrats in 1968. It's an enemy of my enemy kind of alliance.

Thanks, though if the thread was about this I'd seriously question the assumption that no college education=working class, and vice versa.

Gulliver Foyle · 6th January 2023, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This does.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

What's next, people's ballots?

Stacyhs · 6th January 2023, 01:17 AM

Some people just don't know when to shut up:

Quote:

Rep. Kat Cammack (R-FL) doubled down on Thursday on accusing Democrats of drinking alcohol amid the GOP chaos in trying to get a House Speaker elected.

After Fox News’ The Faulkner Focus played that clip and showed the tweet, anchor Harris Faulkner brought in Cammack.

“Popcorn, blankets, and alcohol,” said Faulkner. “We have Twitter receipts of that.”

Cammack doubled down on what she said on Wednesday:

I like I almost struck a nerve there. If it wasn’t true, why did they get so offended? I just can’t figure that one out. AOC actually did prove my point in grabbing drinks yesterday but that’s beside the point.

Twitter is giving receipts now?

Susheel · 6th January 2023, 02:24 AM

Are any of the Dems under the illusion that whichever Repugnican ultimately gets selected...one might be better than the other? Ultimately whoever is going to get elected is going to go all-in on obstructionism and calling for impeachments on every Dem and their granddad.

Craig4 · 6th January 2023, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

Are any of the Dems under the illusion that whichever Repugnican ultimately gets selected...one might be better than the other? Ultimately whoever is going to get elected is going to go all-in on obstructionism and calling for impeachments on every Dem and their granddad.

If the Dems start voting present, I don't think it will be that bad. Kev will know they won't do it a second time. If the Dems do it, they get Kevin out of the deal to allow one member to call for a vote to remove the speaker. If McCarthy breaks the deal with the Dems, they have the votes to call for a new speaker and the never Kevins will join them.

It is possible to get a consensus candidate as speaker. A few hours north of Washington DC, the Pennsylvania House just elected a consensus speaker backed by a bipartisan coalition. https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pe...-20230103.html

Random · 6th January 2023, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

Are any of the Dems under the illusion that whichever Repugnican ultimately gets selected...one might be better than the other? Ultimately whoever is going to get elected is going to go all-in on obstructionism and calling for impeachments on every Dem and their granddad.

Exactly. The Dems have no motive to help Kevin out because they know Kevin will treat them like crap. It also helps to remember that Jeffries has more votes than McCarthy, so any sort of plurality/present deal would still require Dems to abandon the candidate they want for a less popular candidate they hate.

Kevin would have to give up something significant for Dems to even consider helping out.

5th January 2023, 04:29 PM	#361
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5th January 2023, 04:48 PM	#362
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I assume theres no precedent and probably no rules... what happens if a congressman comes in, and shoots several of the other party lowering the quorum number? I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law.
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5th January 2023, 05:02 PM	#363
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats.
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5th January 2023, 05:03 PM	#364
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,445	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan Wow. Well done Boebert, you've made Sean Hannity look like the sensible and reasonable person. And they said someone who took the GED exam 3 times wouldn't accomplish anything.
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5th January 2023, 05:04 PM	#365
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	Maybe Kari Lake will rush into the House chamber and scream that this election has been stolen, and declare herself Speaker.
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5th January 2023, 05:04 PM	#366
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,715	Originally Posted by shemp We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats. THis is no worse then some stunts in other countries......like the revolving chair of the UK Prime Minister. But you love being the prophet of doom, don't you?
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5th January 2023, 05:07 PM	#367
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	Originally Posted by dudalb THis is no worse then some stunts in other countries......like the revolving chair of the UK Prime Minister. But you love being the prophet of doom, don't you? My love of annoying you grows with every response.
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5th January 2023, 05:10 PM	#368
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by acbytesla I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law. One hopes. But what happens with the vote ... Are the dead congressmen counted as "present" if they can't answer?
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5th January 2023, 05:39 PM	#369
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I wasn't sure about the rules so I looked them up. Its true... food/snacks are not allowed on the floor of the house, and the only type of drink allowed is water. Although with the removal of the metal detectors, congressmen will be able to bring guns into the building. I suspect this will be useful if they have to hunt spectators for food. A bit off topic but I just read up on this metal detector complaint from Republicans. I hadn't followed it before. They complained because the Democrats wanted them, nothing else. Of course. Why don't the Dems try and push through a bill saying it is illegal for Republican congress folk to shoot themselves in the head? Worth a try.
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5th January 2023, 05:43 PM	#370
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,974	Originally Posted by shemp We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats. "Nightmare"? It's a wet dream! I've come 11 times already and not even touched myself!
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5th January 2023, 05:47 PM	#371
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 19,922	Originally Posted by The Don As Norman Alexander points out. Before the election, and for the last 160 years there hasn't been a problem, the party with the most Representatives selected one from among their number to act as Speaker - usually on the first ballot. Unless they were clairvoyant how would the Democrats have known that the needed to tweak the rules to accommodate a GOP majority too small to cope with the idiots in their own ranks ? If this was a regular occurrence then you might have a point, but it isn't. If the house is going to make a rule that it takes 218 votes to elect a speaker then anybody with half a brain is going to ask, "What if we can't get 218 votes?". And it has happened before: Quote: The last time the House failed to elect a leader was in December 1923, when it took nine votes over three days to finally pick Republican Frederick Gillett of Massachusetts to a third term as Speaker. The longest battle ever for House Speaker occurred in 1856. That war lasted two months and took 133 votes before Republican Nathaniel Banks, a Union general from Massachusetts, was chosen Speaker. https://www.insideedition.com/us-hou...s-matters-what
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5th January 2023, 06:17 PM	#372
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,332	Originally Posted by mgidm86 A bit off topic but I just read up on this metal detector complaint from Republicans. I hadn't followed it before. They complained because the Democrats wanted them, nothing else. Of course. Why don't the Dems try and push through a bill saying it is illegal for Republican congress folk to shoot themselves in the head? Worth a try. Now that the metal detectors are gone, it removes the obstacle of getting the gun into the Capitol.

5th January 2023, 06:24 PM	#373
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Re guns: I'm sure the Capitol Police including the Sergeant at Arms will deal with any rogue pistol-wavers in short order. Boebert is only a runt - she can be carried out under one arm.
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5th January 2023, 06:25 PM	#374
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 28,079	Originally Posted by shemp We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats. It's a curiosity surely, but I don't think the world is invested enough in the procedural minutiae of the US House to be laughing about it quite yet.
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5th January 2023, 06:29 PM	#375
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,332	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Re guns: I'm sure the Capitol Police including the Sergeant at Arms will deal with any rogue pistol-wavers in short order. Boebert is only a runt - she can be carried out under one arm. Don't tease. It's cruel.

5th January 2023, 06:32 PM	#376
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by Checkmite It's a curiosity surely, but I don't think the world is invested enough in the procedural minutiae of the US House to be laughing about it quite yet. Sadly, not so. It is headline news here in the antipodes and has been since vote 1. It is sort of stunning and sad in a mix, like watching your friend continuously fail their driving license re-test when their only job is being a taxi driver. After 11 failures, you start to seriously wonder if they really want the job at all.
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5th January 2023, 06:40 PM	#377
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 27,587	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I wasn't sure about the rules so I looked them up. Its true... food/snacks are not allowed on the floor of the house, and the only type of drink allowed is water. Although with the removal of the metal detectors, congressmen will be able to bring guns into the building. I suspect this will be useful if they have to hunt spectators for food. I thought I saw someone chewing gum today? Maybe it's not technically food, but it still looks childish. (allowing that it might be Nicorette)
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5th January 2023, 06:41 PM	#378
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,353	Originally Posted by shemp We're into the 11th vote of our national nightmare. The world looks at us and laughs. There is no hope. The ship is sinking and there are no lifeboats. Meh. How is this different from the weeks and weeks Congress is in recess every year?

5th January 2023, 06:41 PM	#379
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,554	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Now that the metal detectors are gone, it removes the obstacle of getting the gun into the Capitol. Who says the metal detectors are gone? I don't think anybody wants that. The dispute was that some Repub members felt they shouldn't have to be screened themselves.

5th January 2023, 06:46 PM	#380
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5th January 2023, 06:46 PM	#381
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,332	Originally Posted by Bob001 Who says the metal detectors are gone? I don't think anybody wants that. The dispute was that some Repub members felt they shouldn't have to be screened themselves. This does. Quote: When I arrived in Congress two years, Nancy Pelosi put this hunk of garbage outside of the House chambers for members of Congress to go through,” Boebert said, as the metal detectors were removed behind her. “Today, they are being removed and we are turning Pelosi’s House back into the people’s House.” https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/

5th January 2023, 06:49 PM	#382
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,554	Originally Posted by Stacyhs This does. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/ Well, that's disturbing. Maybe the cops should start doing pat-downs.

5th January 2023, 06:55 PM	#383
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by Stacyhs This does. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/ Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II?
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5th January 2023, 06:58 PM	#384
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,554	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II? Yes. https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-la...-in-new-video/

5th January 2023, 07:16 PM	#385
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by Bob001 Yes. https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-la...-in-new-video/ Yeah saw that before. She thinks she looks cool and unafraid. Everyone else thinks she is a Class-A moron. Annie Oakley could shoot well. Boebert will shoot herself in the ass. Or as a gun enthusiast told me, some punk will pull the pistol out of the holster behind her back and have it pressed in her spine before she knows it has gone.
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5th January 2023, 07:44 PM	#386
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,562	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Yeah saw that before. She thinks she looks cool and unafraid. Everyone else thinks she is a Class-A moron. Annie Oakley could shoot well. Boebert will shoot herself in the ass. Or as a gun enthusiast told me, some punk will pull the pistol out of the holster behind her back and have it pressed in her spine before she knows it has gone. Open carry tells the bad guy who to shoot first; plus, he then gets a valuable firearm.
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5th January 2023, 08:13 PM	#387
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by acbytesla I'm pretty sure that murder is still against the law. Not in Texas, if you pick the right victim.
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5th January 2023, 08:17 PM	#388
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Not in Texas, if you pick the right victim. I forgot. It's still open season on coloreds and immigrants down there.
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5th January 2023, 09:04 PM	#389
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,785	Originally Posted by Faydra Quote of the day: "GOP learns the hard way: Turning the base up too high blows out your speaker." Gold.
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5th January 2023, 09:04 PM	#390
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 12,873	GOP poised to go into meltdown mode. From National Review, a conservative news source: Quote: “I’m not sure how Lauren Boebert on one hand can demand so much out of Kevin McCarthy, but then demand nothing out of someone else and be willing to vote for them to be speaker,” Marjorie Taylor Greene told CNN. “That’s not serious, I don’t think that’s leadership, and I really see it as more obstruction.” Representative Dan Crenshaw (R., Texas) on Wednesday slammed the group, saying: “I’m tired of your stupid platitudes that some consultant told you to say on the campaign trail, alright. Behind closed doors tell us what you actually want, or shut the ******* up,” according to the Washington Post’s Dylan Wells. National Review link

5th January 2023, 09:10 PM	#391
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by newyorkguy GOP poised to go into meltdown mode. From National Review, a conservative news source: Hmmm 🤔. When MTG and Dan Crenshaw and MTG are the relatively reasonable ones... Well my sensors are telling me.thr holdouts aren't "for real" they're playing games for political points. Except Gaetz, that guys genuinely BFI.
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5th January 2023, 09:19 PM	#392
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,785	Originally Posted by Stacyhs This does. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...house-chamber/ Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Does Boebert think she is Annie Oakley II? Will Smith should slap her.
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5th January 2023, 09:20 PM	#393
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Hmmm 🤔. When MTG and Dan Crenshaw and MTG are the relatively reasonable ones... Well my sensors are telling me.thr holdouts aren't "for real" they're playing games for political points. Except Gaetz, that guys genuinely BFI. If this ever gets resolved (yeah, I know), the **-stirrers are going to be relegated by their own team** to fetching coffee for the coffee-fetchers for the next 2 years. They may THINK they are getting plum committee assignments and other concessions, but the people that are promising them are first-class liars and double-dealers. They will get less than zero; they will get shafted, demoted and de-selected at the next election.
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5th January 2023, 11:47 PM	#394
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 15,300	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Sadly, not so. It is headline news here in the antipodes and has been since vote 1. It is sort of stunning and sad in a mix, like watching your friend continuously fail their driving license re-test when their only job is being a taxi driver. After 11 failures, you start to seriously wonder if they really want the job at all. The BBC included it in their 2 minute news summary on Radio 3 this morning, and it's the main headline on the Guardian website, so there seems to be plenty of interest in it here too. Maybe it's just the reassurance that we're not the world's only political **** show.
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6th January 2023, 12:24 AM	#395
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,278	Originally Posted by newyorkguy Below is a quote from a Pew Research poll of the 2020 election. I don't want to derail this thread, so to bring it back on topic, again I think what we're seeing is, a GOP that is divided against itself. I think there clearly are two factions within the GOP, and have been since Nixon began attracting Dixiecrats in 1968. It's an enemy of my enemy kind of alliance. Thanks, though if the thread was about this I'd seriously question the assumption that no college education=working class, and vice versa.