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Old 28th August 2021, 01:26 AM   #81
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When I listen to this, I cannot hear Jim Jones. His cadence. His encouragement to believe what he says. To follow him. Everything. This is exactly like the suicide message of Jim Jones.

It is scary. It is very scary.
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Old 29th August 2021, 08:11 AM   #82
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Is this the reason you want a one party conservative fascist state in the USA?
Maybe he's a conservative fascist?
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Old 17th September 2021, 06:01 PM   #83
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I feel that Afghanistan was a multi administration screw up. It seems to me that what we didn't do was figure out what it would take to totally get rid of the Taliban, and whether or not we were willing/able to take those steps. We either should have done what it took to totally get rid of the Taliban, or we should have left as soon when we were done with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. If we were unable/unwilling to get rid of the Taliban, what were we doing there after we were finished with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden? Almost 20 years we were and after we leave, the Taliban takes over in 2 weeks. 2 WEEKS.

As I said in the another thread, we should have been more prepared for the Taliban take over, we should left more slowly and held back the Taliban while doing a more better and thorough evacuation of the American citizens and Afghans that assisted us. I am very concerned that Biden pushed things in order to try to get the troops out of there before the 20th anniversary of 911.

Alot of lessons need to be learned from thing thing. Too bad we didn't learn enough from Vietnam.
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Old 17th September 2021, 07:12 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Warbler View Post
I feel that Afghanistan was a multi administration screw up. It seems to me that what we didn't do was figure out what it would take to totally get rid of the Taliban, and whether or not we were willing/able to take those steps. We either should have done what it took to totally get rid of the Taliban, or we should have left as soon when we were done with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. If we were unable/unwilling to get rid of the Taliban, what were we doing there after we were finished with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden? Almost 20 years we were and after we leave, the Taliban takes over in 2 weeks. 2 WEEKS.

As I said in the another thread, we should have been more prepared for the Taliban take over, we should left more slowly and held back the Taliban while doing a more better and thorough evacuation of the American citizens and Afghans that assisted us. I am very concerned that Biden pushed things in order to try to get the troops out of there before the 20th anniversary of 911.

Alot of lessons need to be learned from thing thing. Too bad we didn't learn enough from Vietnam.
I don't tend to think the Vietnam/Afghanistan comparison is valid. However, I do believe none of the previous administrations were willing to make the hard call. Biden did. Could it have gone better? Without a doubt. Did he have as much control over the situation as he would have liked? Probably not. He could not control the Afghanistan government, for one thing, anymore than the previous administrations. The Afganistan government, when all is said and done, are the ones that rolled over for the Taliban.
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Old 17th September 2021, 07:41 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Warbler View Post
I feel that Afghanistan was a multi administration screw up. It seems to me that what we didn't do was figure out what it would take to totally get rid of the Taliban, and whether or not we were willing/able to take those steps. We either should have done what it took to totally get rid of the Taliban, or we should have left as soon when we were done with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. If we were unable/unwilling to get rid of the Taliban, what were we doing there after we were finished with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden? Almost 20 years we were and after we leave, the Taliban takes over in 2 weeks. 2 WEEKS.

As I said in the another thread, we should have been more prepared for the Taliban take over, we should left more slowly and held back the Taliban while doing a more better and thorough evacuation of the American citizens and Afghans that assisted us. I am very concerned that Biden pushed things in order to try to get the troops out of there before the 20th anniversary of 911.

Alot of lessons need to be learned from thing thing. Too bad we didn't learn enough from Vietnam.
I agree with kevbo on this.
It's impossible to totally get rid of the Taliban. They're homegrown and refill their ranks with boys as they grow up. This is what history has shown us for several decades but which we refuse to learn.

We would NEVER have been able to get out ALL the Afghans who wanted to leave. There are just too many. Half the country would be gone.
I do agree with you that we should have left after Bin Laden was killed. We did not learn from Vietnam, the Russian attempt in Afghanistan or the rest of history's lessons about Afghanistan. It's not called the "Graveyard of Empires" for nothing.
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