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Old 1st September 2021, 12:19 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
It's hard to say with any specificity what any non-orthodox Christian believes. That's kinda the whole point of decentralized Christianity, the bible says whatever a given pastor or church wants it to say. It's a giant choose your own adventure novel with lots of options. Every little strip mall parish is making up the rules as they go along to suit their needs.

And wouldn't you know it, often those rules end up affirming that deeply held bigotries are actually good and biblical. Also, God wants your pastor to be rich, so fork up the lettuce.
Ain't that the truth.
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Old 1st September 2021, 12:23 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
No love for Fundy Christians, but only a reletively few believe in the complete application of Old Testament law. Most use a "The coming of Jesus Christ introduced a new covnanant and all of the Old Testament laws except for the Ten Commanments no longer apply".
I have a weird think about being accurate, even when it applies to people I really don't like very much.
But all that means in practice is to give them cover to pick and choose. Fortunately the bible is clear on things like its endorsement of slavery. Jesus endorsed it so of course it should be allowed in any proper Christian nation, who are they to think they know more then jesus?
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Old 1st September 2021, 12:40 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The Bible isn’t part of Judaism.
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Ooooo. The Torah is no part of Judaism. Who knew?
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The Torah is not the Bible, despite considerable overlap. I thought everyone knew.

The Protestant Bible is not the Catholic Bible, despite considerable overlap.

If we were to accept Ziggurat's logic, that fact would imply the Bible isn't part of Christianity. Ziggurat's logic is illogical, however, so we shouldn't accept it.

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No, the New Testament is Christian. The Bible consists of both the Old and New Testaments. I thought everyone knew that.

Ziggurat apparently didn't know that. That did not surprise me.
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Old 1st September 2021, 02:04 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
No love for Fundy Christians, but only a reletively few believe in the complete application of Old Testament law. Most use a "The coming of Jesus Christ introduced a new covnanant and all of the Old Testament laws except for the Ten Commanments no longer apply".
I have a weird think about being accurate, even when it applies to people I really don't like very much.
Its no wonder the Jews wanted to off him then!
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:16 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
OK, so that is between 1/4 and 1/3 of Americans who support the idea of...

Women being the property of their husbands
Slavery
Burning women at the stake for adultery
Stoning people to death for witchcraft or working on a Sunday
Crucifying people for being political agitators
The death penalty for children who strike or curse their parents
The death penalty for not believing in God, or believing in a different God

How very civilised these fundy Christians are.
Surely you mean from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday!
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Old 1st September 2021, 07:03 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
No love for Fundy Christians, but only a reletively few believe in the complete application of Old Testament law. Most use a "The coming of Jesus Christ introduced a new covnanant and all of the Old Testament laws except for the Ten Commanments no longer apply".
I have a weird think about being accurate, even when it applies to people I really don't like very much.
They might conveniently believe that but there is a Jesus quote in the NT where he tells his flock to follow all the OT laws.

Of course most 'laws' in the Bible like that are contradicted somewhere else in the Bible. I's a pick and choose your verses book.
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Old 1st September 2021, 07:07 PM   #47
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They might conveniently believe that but there is a Jesus quote in the NT where he tells his flock to follow all the OT laws.

Of course most 'laws' in the Bible like that are contradicted somewhere else in the Bible. I's a pick and choose your verses book.
And thus the myriad "Christian" churches. It's a total and complete **** storm of a book.
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Old 1st September 2021, 08:32 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Surely you mean from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday!
Time zones baby, time zones.
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Old 1st September 2021, 10:33 PM   #49
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The Texas Abortion Ban is unabashedly a biblical law put into state law.

Which is funny, since the bible doesn't ban abortions.
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Old 1st September 2021, 11:07 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
And thus the myriad "Christian" churches. It's a total and complete **** storm of a book.
The inerrant word of God, eh? Well, with such a schizoid collection of contradictions, no wonder its believers have devolved to more denominations/sects than has any other religious belief system that I'm aware of.
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Old 2nd September 2021, 06:27 AM   #51
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The Texas Abortion Ban is unabashedly a biblical law put into state law.

Which is funny, since the bible doesn't ban abortions.
It even gives instruction on how to do it.
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Old 2nd September 2021, 06:31 AM   #52
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I don't see a way out of this unless the US breaks up/or states gain so much autonomy that we've de facto dissolved. I think we'd be much better off by actively discouraging religious beliefs, but it will be a likely be a long time before that happens.
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Old 2nd September 2021, 06:52 AM   #53
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I'm just glad people are discussing something that isnt fascism for once.
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