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Old 15th September 2021, 10:29 AM   #1241
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
Accessibility is restricted enough that a black market for abortifacients already exists.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/the-rise-of-the-diy-abortion-in-texas/373240/

That's an old article. Abortion medications are FDA-approved and available legally, even by mail, by prescription.
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In the United States, where the abortifacients misoprostol and mifepristone have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, abortions by pill made up more than a third of all abortions in 2017.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...n-pills-texas/
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...-abortion-pill
https://www.fwhc.org/abortion/medical-ab.htm
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Old 15th September 2021, 10:36 AM   #1242
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
That's an old article. Abortion medications are FDA-approved and available legally, even by mail, by prescription.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...n-pills-texas/
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...-abortion-pill
https://www.fwhc.org/abortion/medical-ab.htm
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Getting a script remains a hurdle, doctors that write one are putting a target on their own back.

The benefit of the black market pill is that it's clandestine. Obviously there are risks with people self medicating, but taking the pill seems much safer than the back alley abortions of yesteryear.
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Old 15th September 2021, 10:38 AM   #1243
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
Accessibility is restricted enough that a black market for abortifacients already exists.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/the-rise-of-the-diy-abortion-in-texas/373240/
Yeah that's always been the point. You can't outlaw abortions, you can only outlaw safe ones.
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Old 15th September 2021, 11:02 AM   #1244
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Getting a script remains a hurdle, doctors that write one are putting a target on their own back.
Presumably, writing such a prescription would make you a possible target of the Texas law more often than not.
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Old 15th September 2021, 11:03 AM   #1245
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Getting a script remains a hurdle, doctors that write one are putting a target on their own back.
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I don't know if that's true. The Post story says a third of abortions are conducted by medication. You can get a prescription on-line, and order the pills by mail. Some people might pass pills among themselves, but going through a few hoops has to be preferable to buying something questionable on the black market, which probably is a separate crime, at least in Texas.
https://aidaccess.org/
https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how...lls#find-pills

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Old 15th September 2021, 04:28 PM   #1246
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/10372...w-abortion-ban

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The Justice Department asked a federal judge in Texas to temporarily block enforcement of the state's new law that bans abortions after about six weeks.

This step, a major move by the Biden administration against the highly controversial law, follows a lawsuit filed by the Justice Department last week. The Biden administration asked the court late Tuesday to implement the preliminary injunction while the lawsuit plays out in federal court.
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Old 15th September 2021, 04:30 PM   #1247
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As long as they don't get Judge Roy Bean...
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Old 18th September 2021, 05:15 PM   #1248
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Remember when year after year the GOP legislators kept introducing bills to end the ACA (Obama care) and they kept promising year after year that they had a better plan? Then when they finally had control of the votes needed to actually pass the revocation of the bill, suddenly their bluff had been called and they had no replacement plan after all?

Well guess what?

Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban

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When the Supreme Court allowed Texas’ 6-week abortion law to stand earlier this month, it was presented as a major victory for anti-abortion conservatives. After all, Republican state legislators in deep red states have long been passing increasingly restrictive abortion laws, only to see many later get struck down in the courts. Finally, one law got through (at least for now).

But if it’s the victory conservatives were hoping for, why aren’t high-profile Republicans celebrating it? Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell — never one to shy away from a political fight — had only this to say about the Supreme Court’s ruling: “I think it was a highly technical decision.” Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee who oversees the platform for the party, was out within hours declaring that she would challenge the legality of President Joe Biden’s vaccine mandate, yet has been totally silent on the Texas abortion case — as well as the Biden Justice Department’s decision to challenge the law. Even most of Texas’ congressional delegation remained silent on the new abortion legislation.
And why would that be?

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For decades, Republican state lawmakers have been able to vote for and pass highly restrictive abortion laws without living through the political consequences, because the laws were typically enjoined by the courts before they ever took effect. The politicians got to check the pro-life box important to a segment of their voters without their constituents ever living under those strict laws. This kept the political backlash to their votes to a minimum.
Sound familiar?
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Old 18th September 2021, 05:18 PM   #1249
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Remember when year after year the GOP legislators kept introducing bills to end the ACA (Obama care) and they kept promising year after year that they had a better plan? Then when they finally had control of the votes needed to actually pass the revocation of the bill, suddenly their bluff had been called and they had no replacement plan after all?

Well guess what?

Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban



And why would that be?



Sound familiar?
Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
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Old 18th September 2021, 05:27 PM   #1250
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Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
Way to miss the whole point of my post.

TBH abortions are fewer when they are safe, legal and birth control is easily accessed by all income levels.
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Old 18th September 2021, 05:28 PM   #1251
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
There won't be less abortions, just more out of state "My girlfriend/our daughter/my wife/ etc went to visit her aunt in CA" and back alley abortions that end up killing the mother because she can't go to the hospital when she starts hemorrhaging or goes septic for fear of some self-righteous Karen reporting her.

Since when did them being illegal stop them before R v W?

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Old 18th September 2021, 05:30 PM   #1252
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Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
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Old 18th September 2021, 05:30 PM   #1253
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
There won't be less abortions, just more out of state "My girlfriend/our daughter/my wife/ etc went to visit her aunt in CA" and back alley abortions that end up killing the mother because she can't go to the hospital when she starts hemorrhaging or goes septic for fear of some self-righteous Karen reporting her.
If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:14 PM   #1254
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If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
while getting COVID symptoms is a negative, there is nothing wrong with getting an abortion.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:19 PM   #1255
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If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
Right. You've never heard of stranger rape, incest, date rape, rohypnol, and birth control failure? Oh...bad, bad women! How DARE you not abide by the law!

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Old 18th September 2021, 06:29 PM   #1256
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Right. You've never heard of stranger rape, incest, date rape, rohypnol, and birth control failure? Oh...bad, bad women! How DARE you not abide by the law!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...68fd2da73a.jpg
Again, the outlier is not the norm. I've been around this block, more than once.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:31 PM   #1257
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Again, the outlier is not the norm.
THEY STILL CANNOT GET AN ABORTION IN TEXAS.



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And you still don't get it. Try another block.

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Old 18th September 2021, 06:41 PM   #1258
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What babies? No one is murdering babies. They're aborting a zygote which isn't the same no matter how much emotive language you use.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:43 PM   #1259
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What babies? No one is murdering babies. They're aborting a zygote which isn't the same no matter how much emotive language you use.
I guess if you kill them soon enough, it hardly matters, right? After all, they are all "non-viable", by Dem account, at that point.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:48 PM   #1260
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They aren't killing babies. That you persist in claiming they are is irrelevant. A zygote, or even a foetus isn't a baby.
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Old 18th September 2021, 06:58 PM   #1261
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Remember when year after year the GOP legislators kept introducing bills to end the ACA (Obama care) and they kept promising year after year that they had a better plan? Then when they finally had control of the votes needed to actually pass the revocation of the bill, suddenly their bluff had been called and they had no replacement plan after all?

Well guess what?

Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban

And why would that be?

For decades, Republican state lawmakers have been able to vote for and pass highly restrictive abortion laws without living through the political consequences, because the laws were typically enjoined by the courts before they ever took effect. The politicians got to check the pro-life box important to a segment of their voters without their constituents ever living under those strict laws. This kept the political backlash to their votes to a minimum.

Sound familiar?
It has long been believed that this was an effective wedge issue as long as it was never actually made into law. That the GOP has always had an unholy alliance with religious zealots. They want the issue as long as they don't have to defend the consequences of such a law.
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Old 18th September 2021, 07:00 PM   #1262
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And Warp12 has conveniently misdirected everyone away from my point in post #1249 with a bull **** return to a discussion we've already had a gazillion times here in this forum.

I encourage people to ignore the trollish 'when is abortion murder' discussion and return to the program in progress. Thank you.

And thank you acbytesla for doing just that.

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Old 18th September 2021, 07:04 PM   #1263
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I guess if you kill them soon enough, it hardly matters, right? After all, they are all "non-viable", by Dem account, at that point.
Thanks for the praise towards Democrats, but it's better not to confuse acknowledging scientific fact with politics, even if the Democrats are much better than Republicans when it comes to acknowledging science at present.
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[quote=MarkCorrigan;13603190]They aren't killing babies. That you persist in claiming they are is irrelevant. A zygote, or even a foetus isn't a baby.[/QUOTE

At 8 weeks, 2 weeks after TX says there's a heartbeat (there isn't) and you can't have an abortion because you're "murdering a BABY".

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At 8 weeks, 2 weeks after TX says there's a heartbeat (there isn't) and you can't have an abortion because you're "murdering a BABY".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...69aed86ad5.jpg
Are you saying it is ok to murder that forming child? Gross.
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It isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful slaying of a human. That isn't a human and it isn't an unlawful act to terminate it.
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It has long been believed that this was an effective wedge issue as long as it was never actually made into law. That the GOP has always had an unholy alliance with religious zealots. They want the issue as long as they don't have to defend the consequences of such a law.
Ehh, quibble... Carter/Reagan times, morelike, which is when Religious Right segregationists worked hard to make it into a partisan issue to hurt the Democratic Party, nevermind that Roe v Wade can be reasonably credited to mostly Republican Judges. So not always.

Yes, though, they definitely want the issue and not to have to deal with the consequences.
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If my husband gave me this instead of this on our anniversary, I wouldn't be too happy with him.
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Are you saying it is ok to murder that forming child? Gross.
It's not a child any more than a seed is a flower.
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Ehh, quibble... Carter/Reagan times, morelike, which is when Religious Right segregationists worked hard to make it into a partisan issue to hurt the Democratic Party, nevermind that Roe v Wade can be reasonably credited to mostly Republican Judges. So not always.

Yes, though, they definitely want the issue and not to have to deal with the consequences.
Yep. Virtue signaling.
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It's not a child any more than a seed is a flower.


Sick.
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Sick.
Science.
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Science.
Reality isn't all flowers and sugar, after all.
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Science.
Dem, child-murdering science.
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Dem, child-murdering science.
There is no such thing as "Dem Science". Science has no political view. Like Covid. It's politicians that politicize it and people fall for it.
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Dem, child-murdering science.
Thanks for admitting that you prefer politically motivated Republican fantasies, then.
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Ehh, quibble... Carter/Reagan times, morelike, which is when Religious Right segregationists worked hard to make it into a partisan issue to hurt the Democratic Party, nevermind that Roe v Wade can be reasonably credited to mostly Republican Judges. So not always.

Yes, though, they definitely want the issue and not to have to deal with the consequences.
You're 100 percent right.

In the 60/70s you were just as likely to find a Republican to be pro-choice as you would to find one that was pro-life.

During the 1980 Presidential election I was a surrogate for the Carter campaign. I gave speeches and answered questions at High Schools, colleges, retirement homes and churches throughout the Seattle area. I won't forget a student at a Christian school ask "why isn't Jimmy Carter a Christian." Now I'm an atheist, but I wasn't then. This question stunned me. I don't think any POTUS in the last 140 years or maybe in American history was a more devout believer than Carter. Even then, I didn't like that as I am a strong believer in Church State separation

I mentioned that from my knowledge Jimmy Carter was not only a Christian but taught Sunday School even while being President.
The student followed up with the question, "then why is he pro choice.

Right then I could see the indoctrination the student was getting at her school.
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Old 18th September 2021, 07:35 PM   #1278
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When someone shows the picture of a forming human as their defense for early-term abortion, well, you see how bad the sickness is.
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Old 18th September 2021, 07:35 PM   #1279
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Thanks for admitting that you prefer politically motivated Republican fantasies, then.
To people like that, women aren't really people. Which is why they want women to lose rights the moment they're pregnant.
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Old 18th September 2021, 07:35 PM   #1280
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
You're 100 percent right.

In the 60/70s you were just as likely to find a Republican to be pro-choice as you would to find one that was pro-life.

During the 1980 Presidential election I was a surrogate for the Carter campaign. I gave speeches and answered questions at High Schools, colleges, retirement homes and churches throughout the Seattle area. I won't forget a student at a Christian school ask "why isn't Jimmy Carter a Christian." Now I'm an atheist, but I wasn't then. This question stunned me. I don't think any POTUS in the last 140 years or maybe in American history was a more devout believer than Carter. Even then, I didn't like that as I am a strong believer in Church State separation

I mentioned that from my knowledge Jimmy Carter was not only a Christian but taught Sunday School even while being President.
The student followed up with the question, "then why is he pro choice.

Right then I could see the indoctrination the student was getting at her school.
But, but, I thought it's public schools that are indoctrinating students to be ...gasp...LIBERALS! We just can't have schools indoctrinating students!

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