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Old 5th August 2021, 06:25 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Billy Bush got fired for having a guy brag about sexually assaulting women to him. Really pretty much anything can get you fired in the media.
That's true. Billy's problem though he laughed on television about it. It made it sound that this was okay.
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Old 5th August 2021, 06:33 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
That is it. Just having the brother of a major political figure as the host of a news show is just a bad look as far as creditibility goes even if the host does recuse himself.
Amazed people don't get this. I am convinced that Chris Cumeo is a liberal commentor has a lot to do with this.

Chris is using the "we are going to concentrate on Covid" line, but I doubt that changes much.
Oh c'mon. I certainly would take CNN's reporting on the Governor with a grain of salt. But beyond that, i could care less.
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Cuomo had to know this was coming for months and this weird slide show of him kissing people is the best he could come up with as a PR defense.

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1422606964689887237

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Alexandra Brodsky's view

Self-described civil rights lawyer Alexandra Brodsky wrote an Op-Ed for the NYT.

"But now Mr. Cuomo has received the process that was his due: Independent lawyers deputized by the state attorney general’s office conducted a full investigation while Mr. Cuomo remained in office."

What? An investigation is not in an of itself due process.

"Whether accused at work, at school or in a courtroom, all people should be provided the basics of due process: notice of the allegation; a chance to tell their side of the story; judgment by impartial decision makers. Fair investigations help everyone, victims and the accused alike."

Conspicuously lacking in this list is an opportunity to cross-examine a witness. Nor is that omission wholly surprising, given Ms. Brodsky's role in founding the organization Know Your IX, which is concerned with how colleges and universities handle allegations of sexual improprieties. If she does not understand this*, she must be a terrible lawyer. Governor Cuomo may or may not have done what was alleged, but Ms. Brodsky is near the bottom of the list of people whose opinion should be consulted.
*the importance of cross-examination
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Old 5th August 2021, 07:03 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
Self-described civil rights lawyer Alexandra Brodsky wrote an Op-Ed for the NYT.

"But now Mr. Cuomo has received the process that was his due: Independent lawyers deputized by the state attorney generalís office conducted a full investigation while Mr. Cuomo remained in office."

What? An investigation is not in an of itself due process.

"Whether accused at work, at school or in a courtroom, all people should be provided the basics of due process: notice of the allegation; a chance to tell their side of the story; judgment by impartial decision makers. Fair investigations help everyone, victims and the accused alike."

Conspicuously lacking in this list is an opportunity to cross-examine a witness. Nor is that omission wholly surprising, given Ms. Brodsky's role in founding the organization Know Your IX, which is concerned with how colleges and universities handle allegations of sexual improprieties. If she does not understand this, she must be a terrible lawyer. Governor Cuomo may or may not have done what was alleged, but Ms. Brodsky is near the bottom of the list of people whose opinion should be consulted.
Assuming he doesn't resign in disgrace, he seems on track to get the formal, extremely public due process that comes with impeachment.

Resigning and not publicly wallowing in the sordid details of his disgusting behavior is probably the right play to mitigate the damages, but opinions differ.
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Old 5th August 2021, 07:21 AM   #246
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Assuming he doesn't resign in disgrace, he seems on track to get the formal, extremely public due process that comes with impeachment.

Resigning and not publicly wallowing in the sordid details of his disgusting behavior is probably the right play to mitigate the damages, but opinions differ.
I wouldn't call impeachment due process but a political act.
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:13 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I wouldn't call impeachment due process but a political act.
It's both.
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:15 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
It's both.
How do you define due process?
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:32 AM   #249
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:35 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
With a dictionary.
good luck trying to find one that suggests an impeachment is due process.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I wouldn't call impeachment due process but a political act.
Impeachment is the due process specified by law to remove a governor. It's axiomatically due process in this circumstance.
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:38 AM   #252
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Impeachment is the due process specified by law to remove a governor. It's axiomatically due process in this circumstance.
That is like saying the King is specified by law and therefore his executions by fiat are due process.
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Old 5th August 2021, 08:57 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That is like saying the King is specified by law and therefore his executions by fiat are due process.
It is. Lots of reasons to complain about such a system, but "due process" isn't one. If all the rules are followed before the King has you executed via an anti-aircraft gun, that's all the process you're due in such a system.
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Old 5th August 2021, 09:07 AM   #254
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impeachment followed by a trial of sorts

Politico Just from skimming this, I would say that removal from office would require two things. Impeachment from the state house, followed by an affirmation by the "High Court of Impeachment," consisting of state senators and members of the the state's Court of Appeals, minus the majority leader of the senate.
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
Politico Just from skimming this, I would say that removal from office would require two things. Impeachment from the state house, followed by an affirmation by the "High Court of Impeachment," consisting of state senators and members of the the state's Court of Appeals, minus the majority leader of the senate.
Sounds similar to the federal process: Impeachment (the equivalent of indictment) by the House, then conviction or acquittal by the Senate.
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Assuming he doesn't resign in disgrace, he seems on track to get the formal, extremely public due process that comes with impeachment.

Resigning and not publicly wallowing in the sordid details of his disgusting behavior is probably the right play to mitigate the damages, but opinions differ.

The thing others have pointed out is that impeachment will open up his entire administration, particularly including his lying about covid deaths in nursing homes, to examination. Resigning "for the good of the State" might be his best move.
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Here's the change.org petition to rename the "Cuomo" bridge... http://chng.it/tkzdyfHKfg. It's been around for years but maybe will get some new attention.
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Yeah those Change.com petitions sure do lead to actual change!
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Old 5th August 2021, 01:22 PM   #259
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Yeah those Change.com petitions sure do lead to actual change!
If you've ever signed one, they change the amount of spam you receive. So that's ... something?

As a lark I signed one years ago about moving the Superbowl to Saturday. With over 100,000 signatures (iirc) you can certainly tell how effective that one was!
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good luck trying to find one that suggests an impeachment is due process.
It is a procedure provided by law for the specific purpose of removing an unfit official from office. What are you on about?
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
I don't think this type of behavior would have disqualified many candidates of either party until a few years ago.
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Do you think it would disqualify a Republican NOW? Doesn't seem to matter to them one iota.
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This is all about the GOP, of course.

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It's about a party that elected a man who, before the election, was revealed as thinking he had the right to "grab *****" and sexually assault/harass women because he was 'a celebrity'. It's about a party that elected a man knowing that TWENTY-SIX women had accused him of sexual misconduct, including rape. It's about a party that STILL supports him and is virtually under his control. So, yeah, this is about the GOP.
Let me explain this to you in simple terms:

1. Eeyore suggested this type of behavior would disqualify any candidate today of either party (not just Cuomo).

2. I pointed out that the election of Trump, a self-confessed "***** grabber" who admitted to also kissing women against their will, etc and had been accused of rape and other sexual assault by 26 women showed that it did NOT disqualify him as a candidate or from being elected and that the GOP still supports him today. Those are facts whether you like it or not.
It was a direct negation of his assertion highlighted above.


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So, the actions of Cuomo are about the GOP? Thanks for the clarification...I think.
And here your trolling is revealed. I never said "Cuomo's actions" at all. I never mentioned him. My post was clearly about "this type of behavior". But you continue to lie about this as if I did.

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The Dems, including Biden, are calling for Cuomo to resign. The GOP elected a self-confessed serial assaulter and still support him. If you can't see the difference, then you either have a reading comprehension problem or are being intentionally obtuse or.... .
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The only thing that could be worse would be if he repeatedly had an intern pleasure him in the oval office, right? You know, something that was actually proven, once.

And imagine if that person was still doing tours, to adoring crowds, and such? And, heck, maybe their adoring wife might even run for President.

Pass me a cigar, while I ponder this.
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That happened AFTER he was elected, not before. Try comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges and you might have a point. Otherwise, stop digging your hole deeper.

ETA: And I didn't see anyone defending what he did, including Dems. His impeachment was for perjury, not the blow jobs. Which by the way, were consensual unlike what Trump did. And not a crime.
Here is where your trolling becomes even more obvious. You can't deny what I said is true so you resort to a whataboutism that doesn't even compare since the original topic was about "this type of behavior disqualifying a candidate"which Clinton was not when the Lewinsky affair occurred.



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Who said that? Trump seems pretty deplorable in regards to these matters, imo.

But, no different from any other person who engages in any such things...and they aren't all GOP members. Obviously.
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No one said they were all GOP members so stop moving the goal post.
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But, in this case, it is about the GOP, right?

Got it.
Once again you twist what was said with complete disregard to the context because you can't admit you were wrong.


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I think you are missing the context. As usual, someone had to make this whole Cuomo thing somehow about the GOP. I was pointing out the difference between what has been accused vs what has been proven, when it comes to Trump, and say, Clinton.

At the end of the day, this is a Cuomo issue...not a GOP issue.

Also..."she came on to him". Classic, lol.
And you're still pushing the 'Cuomo vs GOP' lie when my original comment was about "this type of behavior disqualifying a candidate" today and not Cuomo specifically.

As far as what's been 'proven when it comes to Trump, and say, Clinton" you need reminding that what Trump said is on video tape and we've all heard it, including you. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
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If you've ever signed one, they change the amount of spam you receive. So that's ... something?


I really hate this new wareyin guy who agrees with me regularily.
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Just remember, this Cuomo thing is all about the GOP. Like everything bad.
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I really hate this new wareyin guy who agrees with me regularily.
Well, I really like the guy, so there! How dare you hate such a great guy?!? Why, your mother smells of hamsters and your father is an elderberry!
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Well, I really like the guy, so there! How dare you hate such a great guy?!? Why, your mother smells of hamsters and your father is an elderberry!
But do you fart in his general direction?
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Why, your mother smells of hamsters and your father is an elderberry!
That's not quite the quote, but I'll take it.
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That's not quite the quote,
Look, it was good enough, why do we always have to argue over the basics here?

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but I'll take it.
Curse you! <Shakes fist futilely>
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But do you fart in his general direction?
No, he farts in mine harrumph
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It is a procedure provided by law for the specific purpose of removing an unfit official from office. What are you on about?
Do you also think monarch fiat is due process because that is the law in true monarchies?
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Look, it was good enough, why do we always have to argue over the basics here?
Hey, er.... shut up!!

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No, he farts in mine harrumph
You watch your ass!
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Do you also think monarch fiat is due process because that is the law in true monarchies?
As has already been pointed out to you, if that is the law in that monarchy, yes it is due process under the law in that country. It might not be what we would want the law or the due process to be, but until the law is changed in that country then yes it is due process there, your nit-picking not withstanding.
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Just remember, this Cuomo thing is all about the GOP. Like everything bad.
Just remember, It's only bad when the Democrats do it. If a Republican does it, That's A-ok!
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Coumo scandal:

Dems: GET HIM OUT!
Repubs: GET HIM OUT!

Trump sexual assault:
Dems: GET HIM OUT!
Repubs: innocent locker room talk. LOL.
Democrats have always been better at knowing when to abandon the wounded.
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As far as I know, Trump was accused when he was a billionaire playboy and private citizen, not as a public servant.
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So that news conference with his legal team, those were, like, actual lawyers right? You know, people who know how to practice law? They said they were but they didn't seem to be doing much to defend their client. That was a dumpster fire. Victim blaming, in 2021? Seriously?
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And isn't that Italian Gangster the one who got 1000's of deaths in nursing homes...this has been thrown under the rug for the touchy feely scandal.

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As has already been pointed out to you, if that is the law in that monarchy, yes it is due process under the law in that country. It might not be what we would want the law or the due process to be, but until the law is changed in that country then yes it is due process there, your nit-picking not withstanding.
I'm just leaving it as this because I'm happy with the unequivocal position you are taking.
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Originally Posted by Wolrab View Post
As far as I know, Trump was accused when he was a billionaire playboy and private citizen, not as a public servant.
Trump has never been a 'public servant'. He's never served anyone but himself.
Calling him a 'public servant' is like saying Harlan Sanders was a "colonel": in name only.

He was still a candidate, not elected, when all these women and the "***** grabber" tape publicly came out.
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
I canít be the only one who calls it the Tappan Zee regardless.
Just because they name a bridge after a politician doesn't mean it will go by that name.

The Evergreen Point floating bridge that crosses Lake Washington is officially named the Albert D. Rosellini after a former Washington State Governor.

The Mercer Island floating bridge is officially named the Lacey V. Murrow bridge who was the head of the Washington State DOT.

The Aurora Bridge in Seattle is officially named the the George Washington Bridge

All are major thoroughfares in and around Seattle. In 50 years I've never heard any of them referred to by their "official" names.
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