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Old 10th August 2021, 12:06 PM   #321
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Matthew Yglesias:

"In a proper system you have the 'vote of no confidence' which allows parties to dump leaders who have become burdens to the cause without suffering a partisan defeat.

In America we have supermajority impeachment rules with a quasi-criminal process and recall disasters."
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Old 10th August 2021, 12:06 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I admit I had never heard of Future Governor Hochul until now, being on the opposite end of the country (but then how many Lt.Governors has anybody outside their state heard of until they become governor?)

Despite the name, she is Like Biden, an Irish Catholic on both sides. Damn it, those Micks are taking over the country......
Lose a Wop and gain a Mick, when will we have a proper governor?
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Old 10th August 2021, 01:42 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Matthew Yglesias:

"In a proper system you have the 'vote of no confidence' which allows parties to dump leaders who have become burdens to the cause without suffering a partisan defeat.

In America we have supermajority impeachment rules with a quasi-criminal process and recall disasters."
It was pointed out during the first Trump impeachment that Romney was the first senator in US history to cross party lines to vote for conviction of a president. My reaction at the time was "Oh, so this **** has just never worked." I also recall some analysis during Clinton's impeachment concluding that many Republican senators voted against impeachment because they didn't relish the idea of possibly giving Gore the advantage of incumbency in the 2000 elections. This ought to be a political matter, but the structure of our government renders the stakes too high, even if we weren't beholden to the judicial cosplay and pseudo-crimes bequeathed to us by the founding dickheads.
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Old 10th August 2021, 01:59 PM   #324
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There are reports that other women are contacting the AG. The real issue is that he was certain to be impeached and suspended from office, and the resulting trial and investigation would go on for months, even if he wasn't ultimately removed. He obviously decided that's not how he wanted to spend the rest of the year or more.
His lawyers might be advising him he is better off perparing for a Criminal trial rather then waste his time on a hopeless political trial.
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Old 10th August 2021, 02:05 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Matthew Yglesias:

"In a proper system you have the 'vote of no confidence' which allows parties to dump leaders who have become burdens to the cause without suffering a partisan defeat.

In America we have supermajority impeachment rules with a quasi-criminal process and recall disasters."

IN the US the top Excutive officers are elected by popular vote, which is totally different then the Pure Parliamentary system where a top exec is chosen by elected representives;huge difference. Not comfortable with the idea of the will of the people being overturned by a single vote in the legilslature or congress.
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Old 10th August 2021, 02:30 PM   #326
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
IN the US the top Excutive officers are elected by popular vote
This is notoriously not the case.
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Old 10th August 2021, 02:46 PM   #327
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Matthew Yglesias:

"In a proper system you have the 'vote of no confidence' which allows parties to dump leaders who have become burdens to the cause without suffering a partisan defeat.

In America we have supermajority impeachment rules with a quasi-criminal process and recall disasters."
I don't understand how any other system would be immune to partisanship. What would stop a parliamentary "vote of no confidence" from being voted down from a majority party even if, by the merits, it should succeed? If the party decides to circle the wagons around their own scumbags then that's that. No organizational tricks will stop a democratic removal effort from failing if a majority party refuses to hold their own accountable.

Cuomo's resignation is essentially a vote of no confidence. It became clear that his own party would not support him and he resigned rather than suffer the embarrassment of a successful impeachment.
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Old 10th August 2021, 03:03 PM   #328
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Originally Posted by mumblethrax View Post
This is notoriously not the case.
Direct vote for most governorships, and indirectly for the President.
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Old 10th August 2021, 03:05 PM   #329
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I am not predicting the exact date, but I think within a couple of weeks some really damaging new stuff about Cuomo is going to come out.
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Old 10th August 2021, 03:11 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I am not predicting the exact date, but I think within a couple of weeks some really damaging new stuff about Cuomo is going to come out.
I think so too. I suspect he resigned because he hopes everyone will be happy with that and not dig further.
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I think so too. I suspect he resigned because he hopes everyone will be happy with that and not dig further.
Can't agree, I think his lawyers convinced him he needs to give up a hopeless political battle and start preparing his defense in a criminal trial.
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Old 10th August 2021, 04:21 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Can't agree, I think his lawyers convinced him he needs to give up a hopeless political battle and start preparing his defense in a criminal trial.
Agreed.
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Seems to me there's a significant chance he lays low for a bit and tries to run for Governor again in the near future.
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Seems to me there's a significant chance he lays low for a bit and tries to run for Governor again in the near future.
Not gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Seems to me there's a significant chance he lays low for a bit and tries to run for Governor again in the near future.
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Not gonna happen.
I'm with Stacy. His political career is over.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Seems to me there's a significant chance he lays low for a bit and tries to run for Governor again in the near future.
Absurd. He already doesn't want to directly address the allegations made against him. In the setting of a political campaign he wouldn't be able to avoid doing so.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
IN the US the top Excutive officers are elected by popular vote, which is totally different then the Pure Parliamentary system where a top exec is chosen by elected representives;huge difference. Not comfortable with the idea of the will of the people being overturned by a single vote in the legilslature or congress.
In a parliamentary system, the leader would be a product of the legislature in the first place. Keeping the current system intact with a vote of no confidence could be driven to madness if there's turnover in the state legislature mid-way through the governor's term. I'd assume this would require two votes as we have a bicameral system in almost every state.

In the state of California, a recall is triggered with a relatively low signature threshold, and the majority vote comes in a special election where we'd expect lower turnout. If the governor is rejected, then a replacement could be voted in with a tiny fraction of the electorate.

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I don't understand how any other system would be immune to partisanship.
I don't often quote Thomas Sowell: "There are no solutions; only trade-offs." "Judicial cosplay" perfectly describes the partisanship behind the theatrics of impeachment. Circling the wagons for an unpopular leader might ensure the majority party will not remain in the majority. Instead the majority could welcome a new election. NY has twice in recent memory replaced once popular governors with relative unknowns. That blind guy didn't have much of a future. I don't even know the name of the Lt. Governor in my state.
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Everything's in two weeks now.
Will he get two weeks gardening leave?
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Seems to me there's a significant chance he lays low for a bit and tries to run for Governor again in the near future.
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Not gonna happen.
Unless he switches to the Republican Party, they're less fussy about that sort of thing.
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Well, I really like the guy, so there! How dare you hate such a great guy?!? Why, your mother smells of hamsters and your father is an elderberry!
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You'd think admitting you know nothing about his life would stop you from commenting on it, but here we are.
Well it hasn't stopped her commenting on fake medicine, vaccines, masks or basically anything else, has it?
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I admit I had never heard of Future Governor Hochul until now, being on the opposite end of the country (but then how many Lt.Governors has anybody outside their state heard of until they become governor?)

Despite the name, she is Like Biden, an Irish Catholic on both sides. Damn it, those Micks are taking over the country......
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So every prominent Italian is in the Mafia. Nice.Bigotry noted.
Cuomo is scum, but I have not seen any proof he is involved with La COstra Nostra.
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If he were still wanting a political career couldn't he simply run next time as a republican?
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Originally Posted by The Onion
Cuomo Scandal A Somber Reminder That Leaders Bad At Job Can Have Dark Side Too
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Seeing a lot of coverage that boils down to "good governor forced to resign because of personal scandal". I guess the whole scandal about killing a bunch of elderly New Yorkers, concealing the deaths, and writing a book about leadership in crisis while pretending to be some Covid policy wizard is all forgotten.
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Lt. Gov. Kathy Hochul will take the office in 14 days, effective Governor Cuomo's resignation taking effect.

I don't know if there will be a special election or if she's just serve out his term. (His political term that is.)


There are already people online claiming that she's Nancy Pelosi's stepsister.

Spoiler: She isn't.
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If he were still wanting a political career couldn't he simply run next time as a republican?
I think he already has enough character flaws.
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Tough days ahead for Cuomosexuals.
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Tough days ahead for Cuomosexuals.
Good lord. People are just plain weird.

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“Cuomo was my God,” said the 36-year-old Upper East Sider, who added that she’s drawn to older men. “I was crazy for him — I thought he was shamelessly sexy.” Davis, who works as a dating coach, even threw herself a “Cuomo de Mayo” party complete with cocktails and prints of Cuomo’s wide grin during lockdown.



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“It’s worse than betrayal. It makes you feel like your whole world has been rocked. As a single girl, it makes me question my taste in men, my ability to trust,” said Davis.
It makes me question her need for some intensive therapy.
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Good lord. People are just plain weird.








It makes me question her need for some intensive therapy.
Humans are ******* weird, man.
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Humans are ******* weird, man.
Yep...something I've known for decades. The reason we've never had aliens land here is because Earth is a fly over planet for them.
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Good lord. People are just plain weird.








It makes me question her need for some intensive therapy.
the ones who need therapy are the ones who defend things like this as locker room talk. The ones that reject Cuomo now are probably fine.
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Tough days ahead for Cuomosexuals.
When Joe Random brought up the idea of Ghooliani doing an "OnlyFans" page because by the law of large numbers someone had to be into that, I thought it was a joke. But if there's such a thing as a "cuomosexual" then by golly maybe Rudy has a shot, too.
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At least one online gambling site accepting bets on whether Cuomo will actually have resigned by Sep. 1st.
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“I’m not gonna drag the state through the mud, through a three-month, four-month impeachment, and then win, and have made the State Legislature and the state government look like a ship of fools.”

There is Hubris and then there is this.
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“I’m not gonna drag the state through the mud, through a three-month, four-month impeachment, and then win, and have made the State Legislature and the state government look like a ship of fools.”

There is Hubris and then there is this.
Yep.
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“I’m not gonna drag the state through the mud, through a three-month, four-month impeachment, and then win, and have made the State Legislature and the state government look like a ship of fools.”

There is Hubris and then there is this.
That pretty much seals it for me. Just another self-absorbed, privileged SOB lacking humility and the ability to admit fault. Git, ya git! An' stay git!


I would hope the right-leaning would see how Cuomo's erstwhile compatriots on the left are willing to toss their own when they transgress. But the 'conservatives', in spite of their 'family values' brand, see this as weakness. They circle the wagons around their own creeps, like Roy Moore, of the skulking for teens at the mall ilk, and Donnie Depends, of the "grab 'em by the hoo-ha" species.
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
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“I’m not gonna drag the state through the mud, through a three-month, four-month impeachment, and then win, and have made the State Legislature and the state government look like a ship of fools.”

There is Hubris and then there is this.
Why not just come right out and say, "Go ahead, impeach me, I double dog dare you!"
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I would hope the right-leaning would see how Cuomo's erstwhile compatriots on the left are willing to toss their own when they transgress.
Oh please. The democratic establishment isn’t turning on him because they found out what he did. They always knew. They are turning on him because WE found out. And even now, it’s about the sex scandal, not the thousands he killed and then covered up.
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