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Old 1st April 2021, 03:08 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by rdwight View Post
Not coming to the defense of Gaetz, who when I first saw him talking in congress reminded me so much of Jonah from Veep it was actually concerning, but..

Why can't people just be ****** politicians anymore? It seems like everyone has to be a literal monster, surviving on the blood of children, laughing manically as old people die, you get the picture.
I suspect that it is more along the lines that the public get to see and hear about much more than we used to rather than it being that our politicians changed.

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Even if the description of what he is being accused of doing is accurate, banging a 17 year old in more than one state is not really what people picture when they hear "child sex trafficking".
I think when you add in his age it does.

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That also brings up this weird US thing where legal and moral are at such odds over what can be arbitrary things. Yesterday, she was 17, young, frail, easily manipulated.. a child! But today she's 18, a strong confident woman ready to take on the world and become someone I can watch on pornhub without regret or legal ramifications!
That’s how it is in most countries nothing US specific, the law can’t take into account the vagaries of an individual’s ability to consent to sex so an arbitrary line has to be drawn.
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Old 1st April 2021, 03:49 AM   #122
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... Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz is reportedly being investigated by the Department of Justice for a possible sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and potential sex trafficking and gave a very bizarre interview on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show ..
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Old 1st April 2021, 04:06 AM   #123
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I'm surprised there wasn't a Nigerian prince involved.
Would an American spy in an Iranian jail do? The Nigerian Prance thing is just the most currently well known version of the Spanish Prisoner con, in which a mark is told that there is a wealthy person or treasure in a distant land that can be retrieved for a profit if the mark will just hand over a little money. Followed by a little more. And a little more. This continues until the flow of money from the mark stops for whatever reason.

Apparently, the "extortion scheme" involves someone asking Gaetz's dad for money to help rescue an FBI agent from Iran. This would be impressive considering most of the intelligence community assumes that the agent in question is dead.

So it looks like Gaetz got into trouble with his sex thing, and someone decides to run the old Spanish Prisoner con on his father (who has the actual money in the family), with the hook that if the spy is freed, the US government will be so grateful that they will forget about the whole sex thing.

Confusing, but not really extortion.
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Old 1st April 2021, 05:47 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Random View Post
Would an American spy in an Iranian jail do? The Nigerian Prance thing is just the most currently well known version of the Spanish Prisoner con, in which a mark is told that there is a wealthy person or treasure in a distant land that can be retrieved for a profit if the mark will just hand over a little money. Followed by a little more. And a little more. This continues until the flow of money from the mark stops for whatever reason.

Apparently, the "extortion scheme" involves someone asking Gaetz's dad for money to help rescue an FBI agent from Iran. This would be impressive considering most of the intelligence community assumes that the agent in question is dead.

So it looks like Gaetz got into trouble with his sex thing, and someone decides to run the old Spanish Prisoner con on his father (who has the actual money in the family), with the hook that if the spy is freed, the US government will be so grateful that they will forget about the whole sex thing.

Confusing, but not really extortion.
If that is all true then it's a scam. And Gaetz junior and senior fell for it. Dumb as a box of hammers.
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Old 1st April 2021, 06:46 AM   #125
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I searched the thread, and did not see a reference to Rep. Gaetz' fiancée. She is 12 years his junior, and her name is Ginger Luckey. Her name just struck me as funny, but that's quite juvenile on my part.

Also - apparently Atty General Barr made a special effort not to be seen in public with Gaetz once he knew what was going on. He apparently canceled at least one public appearance when he found out that Gaetz would be there. Smart guy. Evil, but smart.

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Then-U.S. Attorney General William Barr was briefed on the Gaetz probe and did not take issue with it, a source familiar with the matter told POLITICO.

Barr and the Office of the Attorney General received multiple briefings on the Gaetz probe, beginning in the summer of 2020, a second person familiar with the probe said. They encouraged Florida prosecutors to move as quickly as they needed to and take whatever steps were appropriate. The briefings were consistent with Barr's memo requiring notification to department leadership on probes of candidates. The briefing was important because — among other reasons — Barr didn't want to accidentally appear anywhere with Gaetz, the person said. At one point, Barr was scheduled for a meet-and-greet with Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee. But DOJ canceled his appearance at the event when they saw that Gaetz, a member of that committee, had RSVP'd for it.
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Old 1st April 2021, 07:08 AM   #126
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If that is all true then it's a scam. And Gaetz junior and senior fell for it. Dumb as a box of hammers.
Probably not since Gaetz is claiming that his father wore a wire and recorded a conversation with the con artists.

In any case, it still doesn't explain what the initial Gaetz investigation was about. That is what is seriously lacking in all this. Gaetz is just pointing at the con artists and screaming that that explains everything, but it really doesn't.

The Tucker Carlson interview didn't clarify anything. "There are no pictures of me at an underage orgy! You were once falsely accused of sexual offenses! This is a Deep State smear! We went on a double date a few years ago! My father wore a wire! Giving presents to someone you are dating is completely acceptable! Seventeen year old females are called women! Release the tapes!"

I think it's just Chewbacca defense nonsense. Gaetz is hoping that if he throws enough confusing misinformation and misdirection into the mix, the truth will become unattainable.
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Old 1st April 2021, 08:39 AM   #127
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I imagine his lawyer is just tickled about the interview on Carlson. It's exactly what every defense attorney says their clients should do.
Reports are that Carlson is "livid" about the interview. Not sure what to make of that but I still find it amusing.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Reports are that Carlson is "livid" about the interview. Not sure what to make of that but I still find it amusing.
Probably because he didn't think Gaetz was going to throw him under the bus when he was invited on the show. "You know all about this kind of thing, Tucker!"

Yeah, why don't you just leave me out of this, *******.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I searched the thread, and did not see a reference to Rep. Gaetz' fiancée. She is 12 years his junior, and her name is Ginger Luckey. Her name just struck me as funny, but that's quite juvenile on my part.

Also - apparently Atty General Barr made a special effort not to be seen in public with Gaetz once he knew what was going on. He apparently canceled at least one public appearance when he found out that Gaetz would be there. Smart guy. Evil, but smart.

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Apparently she's Palmer Luckey's sister. Who knew?
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According to one article I read yesterday (but can't remember where) old man Gaetz spoke to McGee on the phone.
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Old 1st April 2021, 11:34 AM   #132
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That’s how it is in most countries nothing US specific, the law can’t take into account the vagaries of an individual’s ability to consent to sex so an arbitrary line has to be drawn.
That's more or less how this goes - I don't think this should be prosecuted as such for this alone (unless he's posting nudes of the girl without permission, in which case throw the book at him), just as far as prison time goes, but the guy's in his mid-late 30s - a guy that age really shouldn't be with a high-school age girl.

And there's the tie-ins to Joel Greenberg, who was apparently spending absurd amounts of money hiring friends, and buying unneeded equipment (including a drone) and Michael Jordan memorabilia, and tried to set up a blockchain operation (which caught fire), all on government funds.

Did I mention this guy's was elected to the position of tax collector?

Anyway, dude targetted underage girls using government databases (!), and smearing a political opponent as a pedophile and a white suprmacist while also, well, traficking children from 14-17 and creating his own fake iDs using IDs that were surrendered to him.

And *somehow*, Gaetz fell under the eyes of the FBI while they were investigating this scumbag. So that's as far as what's publicly known for now.

(And all this is based on Twitter reports, including the Sentinel piece I linked to above, so take with a grain of salt of course...but there's still the matter of his poolboy as well.)

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I wonder if Gaetz even understood that he might be violating the law by taking a minor across state lines while having a sexual relationship. Is it common knowledge?

Probably not something most 38 year old men have to worry about in their dating choices. Middle aged men don't normally try to pick up dates with high schoolers, or at least understand that doing so is socially stigmatized even if technically legal.
Seems pretty common in republican circles see Roy Moore.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Seems pretty common in republican circles see Roy Moore.
Those that howl the loudest about something are usually the ones doing it behind closed doors the most.
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I'm about 99% sure there's at least one Republican who is secretly a Kenyan born Muslim with an illegal e-mail server and underground pizza parlor child sex dungeon at this point.
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Matt Goetz's new campaign song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kziVkGC9U

17 years old..yeah, that's Jailbait.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Seems pretty common in republican circles see Roy Moore.
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I'm about 99% sure there's at least one Republican who is secretly a Kenyan born Muslim with an illegal e-mail server and underground pizza parlor child sex dungeon at this point.
I'm trying to remember the the Idaho or maybe it was Montana Senator a few years back who was arrested for indecent gay activities in a bathroom. Does anyone recall?
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Larry "wide stance" Craig.
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I'm trying to remember the the Idaho or maybe it was Montana Senator a few years back who was arrested for indecent gay activities in a bathroom. Does anyone recall?
Larry “wide stance” Craig?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Matt Goetz's new campaign song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kziVkGC9U

17 years old..yeah, that's Jailbait.
I really expected this:

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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I'm trying to remember the the Idaho or maybe it was Montana Senator a few years back who was arrested for indecent gay activities in a bathroom. Does anyone recall?
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Larry "wide stance" Craig.
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Larry “wide stance” Craig?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
Of Idaho, dammit, not my native state of Montana!
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Larry “wide stance” Craig?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

"As a result of the controversy surrounding his arrest, subsequent guilty plea, and pressure from his fellow Republicans, Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news conference on September 1, which was to become effective on September 30. After Craig's efforts to withdraw his guilty plea failed, on October 4, he released a statement refusing to resign from the Senate. Craig did not run for re-election in 2008, and the incident effectively ended his political career."


Ahhh! Those were the days, eh!?
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You know what I mean.
And I was expecting this:

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Ahhh! Those were the days, eh!?
What makes you think those days are over? I don't think Republicans have suddenly become more tolerant of gays. Can't find any current gay republicans in the House or Senate right now.


ETA: I don't recall you being anti-gay, what exactly are you praising?
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What makes you think those days are over? I don't think Republicans have suddenly become more tolerant of gays. Can't find any current gay republicans in the House or Senate right now.


ETA: I don't recall you being anti-gay, what exactly are you praising?
Probably a time when a scandal could end a Republican's career. Now they would just say it was a liberal media conspiracy and donate money to him for being victimized by the commies.
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Given the context of what's happening now, I really don't think any way that's phrased really comes off well. Everyone knows what he's saying, that old people should still have confidence, but any combination of the words "any age" and "sexy" would end up kicking him square in the nuts.

The one question that confuses is me is, why are the ones that have **** to hide the loudest? Why do they draw the most attention to themselves? I'm not complaining, but it always seems like the people who want the most attention are the ones that should be zipping it.
Their mouths or their flies? Probably both.
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Probably a time when a scandal could end a Republican's career. Now they would just say it was a liberal media conspiracy and donate money to him for being victimized by the commies.
Not sure about that.
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I really expected this:

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You know what I mean.
"Standing there" would have been a good choice, but this just screamed out for 'Jailbait".
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What makes you think those days are over? I don't think Republicans have suddenly become more tolerant of gays. Can't find any current gay republicans in the House or Senate right now....
Are you sure you're looking?
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Given the context of what's happening now, I really don't think any way that's phrased really comes off well. Everyone knows what he's saying, that old people should still have confidence, but any combination of the words "any age" and "sexy" would end up kicking him square in the nuts.

The one question that confuses is me is, why are the ones that have **** to hide the loudest? Why do they draw the most attention to themselves? I'm not complaining, but it always seems like the people who want the most attention are the ones that should be zipping it.
To generalize I'd think it was guilt and self loathing. They want it to be against the law all the while pretending to themselves it's just temptation they've given in to.
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Yes. Here is where I looked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tates_Congress

Why not just name whoever you have in mind?
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Old 1st April 2021, 04:34 PM   #153
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Gaetz showed nude photos of women he said he'd slept with to lawmakers, sources tell CNN

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(CNN) Rep. Matt Gaetz, the Florida Republican being investigated by the Justice Department over sex trafficking allegations, made a name for himself when he arrived on Capitol Hill as a conservative firebrand on TV and staunch defender of then-President Donald Trump. Behind the scenes, Gaetz gained a reputation in Congress over his relationships with women and bragging about his sexual escapades to his colleagues, multiple sources told CNN.

Gaetz allegedly showed off to other lawmakers photos and videos of nude women he said he had slept with, the sources told CNN, including while on the House floor. The sources, including two people directly shown the material, said Gaetz displayed the images of women on his phone and talked about having sex with them. One of the videos showed a naked woman with a hula hoop, according to one source.

"It was a point of pride," one of the sources said of Gaetz.
What a classy guy!
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Didn't Kimberly Guilfoyle keep pictures of her lover's junk?
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Old 1st April 2021, 04:46 PM   #155
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Yes. Here is where I looked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tates_Congress

Why not just name whoever you have in mind?
Your link cites 2 Senators and 9 members of the House that are incumbents. Perhaps GOP legislators are more likely to be closeted.

I think it's pretty obvious Lindsay Graham is a closeted gay.

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Old 1st April 2021, 04:54 PM   #156
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Your link cites 2 Senators and 9 members of the House that are incumbents.
Right. The 2 Senators and 9 House members are all Democrats. Democrats aren't Republicans.

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Perhaps GOP legislators are more likely to be closeted.
Yes, of course. That's the point. Republicans aren't tolerant of gays.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
What makes you think those days are over? I don't think Republicans have suddenly become more tolerant of gays. Can't find any current gay republicans in the House or Senate right now.


ETA: I don't recall you being anti-gay, what exactly are you praising?
No, you have misread my post. I'm not anti-gay, I'm very much for the concept that people have the right to be who they are (within the law) without judgement from me or anyone else.

What I am praising is those Republicans pressuring Craig to resign, not because he was gay, but because he committed a criminal act. Performing a sex act in a public area (gay or otherwise) is a crime - if you get caught shagging a woman in a public area, you have been caught committing a crime (just ask actor Hugh Grant)

Unfortunately that standard has long since lapsed - no matter what vile things (including crimes) GOP congress-critters commit these days, their tribe backs their fellow tribe member to the hilt.
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Unfortunately that standard has long since lapsed - no matter what vile things (including crimes) GOP congress-critters commit these days, their tribe backs their fellow tribe member to the hilt.
Not sure I share your optimistic view of that past time, and even worse that that happens to be an optimistic appraisal of the GOP compared to now. Not sure if the Craig incident were to happen today that it wouldn't play out the same way.

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Not sure I share your optimistic view of that past time, and even worse that that happens to be an optimistic appraisal of the GOP compared to now. Not sure if the Craig incident were to happen today that it wouldn't play out the same way.
I am pretty sure the GOP want Gaetz to go away. I mean, he is leaving the House after all. Isn’t it pretty likely that this was decided by GOP insiders?

“Sorry, we’re going to have to get rid of you. We’ll set up some cable news job for you...”

“Oh really? I’m getting my own show on Fox?”

“Dream on. It’s Newsmax.”
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Yeah, I think the GOP wants him to go away rather than circle the wagons around him. Don't you think Gaetz prefers Newsmax to Fox now?
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