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Old 1st April 2021, 05:41 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Yeah, I think the GOP wants him to go away rather than circle the wagons around him. Don't you think Gaetz prefers Newsmax to Fox now?
Yeah, maybe. I really don’t know as I never watch either except for clips. I’m just making a joke at Gaetz’s expense. Fox is surely more prestigious and has bigger viewing figures, no?

I just thought it might be funny if instead of getting some kind of sweet deal where he gets his own show like Tucker Carlson, he ends up doing vox pops for Newsmax wandering the streets of Kentucky and asking the denizens “would you vote for multimillionaire succeed story Donald J Trump or doddering geriatric sleepy Joe Biden? Oh and wanna see some nudes?”
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Old 1st April 2021, 06:08 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Are you missing the point?

Right. The 2 Senators and 9 House members are all Democrats. Democrats aren't Republicans.


Yes, of course. That's the point. Republicans aren't tolerant of gays.
You missed my edit but no worries. Of course GOP legislators aren't tolerant, they court intolerant voters. That means some of them are going to be closeted gays if they are gay. Just because they court intolerant voters doesn't mean they themselves aren't LGBTQ.

Just like Gaetz is possibly lusting after young girls the way Judge Moore did does.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Yeah, maybe. I really don’t know as I never watch either except for clips. I’m just making a joke at Gaetz’s expense. Fox is surely more prestigious and has bigger viewing figures, no?
Yup... the right wing media is a septic tank, and Fox is at the top... because the biggest pieces of **** always float to the top!
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Old 1st April 2021, 06:11 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
No, you have misread my post. I'm not anti-gay, I'm very much for the concept that people have the right to be who they are (within the law) without judgement from me or anyone else.

What I am praising is those Republicans pressuring Craig to resign, not because he was gay, but because he committed a criminal act. Performing a sex act in a public area (gay or otherwise) is a crime - if you get caught shagging a woman in a public area, you have been caught committing a crime (just ask actor Hugh Grant)

Unfortunately that standard has long since lapsed - no matter what vile things (including crimes) GOP congress-critters commit these days, their tribe backs their fellow tribe member to the hilt.
I think Craig getting caught (and it was nasty in the GOP hypocritical eye) had a lot more to do with it than his breaking the law. Look how many of the GOP hypocrites break the law.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I am pretty sure the GOP want Gaetz to go away. I mean, he is leaving the House after all. Isn’t it pretty likely that this was decided by GOP insiders?

“Sorry, we’re going to have to get rid of you. We’ll set up some cable news job for you...”

“Oh really? I’m getting my own show on Fox?”

“Dream on. It’s Newsmax.”
Yes, Goetz is damaged goods at this point. He is now going to compete with Taylor Green as the face of the GOP for the Democrats.
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Old 1st April 2021, 06:15 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Yes, Goetz is damaged goods at this point. He is now going to compete with Taylor Green as the face of the GOP for the Democrats.
At this rate he could end up GOP nomination favourite.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
No, you have misread my post. I'm not anti-gay, I'm very much for the concept that people have the right to be who they are (within the law) without judgement from me or anyone else.
This is worth coming back to. Note that I was just asking since I didn't recall you being anti-gay. I should have worded my question to you differently to make it clear I expected your answer would be that you didn't mean to be anti-gay. Sorry, about that.
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Gaetz is just following in the steps of his hero, Trump, bragging about all the women he's slept with and acting like a high school jerk in the locker room. Same mentality. Why is this surprising to anyone?
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Gaetz is just following in the steps of his hero, Trump, bragging about all the women he's slept with and acting like a high school jerk in the locker room. Same mentality. Why is this surprising to anyone?
I don’t think anyone is expressing surprise.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I don’t think anyone is expressing surprise.
It was a rhetorical question.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Gaetz is just following in the steps of his hero, Trump, bragging about all the women he's slept with and acting like a high school jerk in the locker room. Same mentality. Why is this surprising to anyone?
Oh yes

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...085759179.html

Gaetz—the Trump-loving, Fox News-grinning, 38-year-old Florida Republican—has a less-than-sterling reputation among his congressional colleagues. More than a half-dozen lawmakers have spoken to these reporters about his love of alcohol and illegal drugs, as well as his proclivity for younger women. It’s well-known among Republican lawmakers that Gaetz was dating a college student—one over the age of consent—in 2018. She came to Washington as an intern.
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Old 1st April 2021, 07:12 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Oh yes

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...085759179.html

Gaetz—the Trump-loving, Fox News-grinning, 38-year-old Florida Republican—has a less-than-sterling reputation among his congressional colleagues. More than a half-dozen lawmakers have spoken to these reporters about his love of alcohol and illegal drugs, as well as his proclivity for younger women. It’s well-known among Republican lawmakers that Gaetz was dating a college student—one over the age of consent—in 2018. She came to Washington as an intern.
Did she smoke his cigar for him? Wear a blue dress?
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Matt Gaetz reported to be leaving the House

I’ll take “songs about inappropriate relationships with 17-year-old girls”for $400, Alex.

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Latest update from The New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/u...epartment.html

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A Justice Department investigation into Representative Matt Gaetz and an indicted Florida politician is focusing on their involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments, according to people close to the investigation and text messages and payment receipts reviewed by The New York Times.
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Today was Republicans playing to an audience of one. It was Republicans not wanting to vote against Trump's golden boy while still wanting to be rid of him. The safe, middle ground was to leak that he shared the videos and communicate that he's got no friends. Republicans who want to be rid of Trump but still fear him can force a nuisance out but not have to vote against Trump's wishes.
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I’ll take “songs about inappropriate relationships with 17-year-old girls”for $400, Alex.

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******* hell. FINALLY!! What was that? Like 4 tries before someone gets Gaetz's style.
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I want a preposition in there, but putting it at the end of the sentence is also jarring and putting it in the middle of the sentence sounds stilted. To wit:

"There’s no age that you can’t be sexy."
"There's no age that you can't be sexy at."
"There's no age at which you can't be sexy."

To avoid the issue I would rephrase: "You can be sexy at any age."
Thank you for that.
There's a reason many publishers frown upon "there are/there is" construction.
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I think your question was answered to your satisfaction long ago. Yes, Gaetz quoted the tweet (the thumb pointing down told me that. The implications of the quote didn't really strike me; the phrase just doesn't sound correct to me. I want a preposition in there, but putting it at the end of the sentence is also jarring and putting it in the middle of the sentence sounds stilted. To wit:

"There’s no age that you can’t be sexy."
"There's no age that you can't be sexy at."
"There's no age at which you can't be sexy."

To avoid the issue I would rephrase: "You can be sexy at any age."

I have a compulsion to smooth out prose; wish someone would pay me to do it again

Gaetz looks like someone trying to project a wholesome image. That always creeps me out.
The highlighted violates Coxon's Law (named after a school teacher friend of mine).

"Never use a preposition to end a sentence with"
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Old 1st April 2021, 08:50 PM   #179
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The highlighted violates Coxon's Law (named after a school teacher friend of mine).

"Never use a preposition to end a sentence with"
- Jim Coxon, Beckenham School, Christchurch c. 1975
I was hoping it was going to be something a little more untoward with a name like Coxon's Law.
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I was hoping it was going to be something a little more untoward with a name like Coxon's Law.
Its humour... read that law carefully!

Its actually Coxon's Second Law. Perhaps it might make the nature of his Laws more clear if I quote a couple of others.

First Law: "Splitting infinitives is something to never do"

Third Law: "Redundancy is something to never, never use at any time at all"

Fourth Law: "Do not string too many prepositional phrases together unless you are walking along a path by the road through the valley of the shadow of death"

Fifth Law: "Do not use no double negatives"

I have them all written down somewhere, but those are the only ones I can remember off-hand.

IIRC there were about 20 of them - if I can find them, I might make a post in the humour section
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He looks like Heat Miser and Bill Hader had a baby they abandoned in a novelty suit store.
He looks like the love child of Ace Ventura and Ray Liotta attending a "silly suit" costume party at Sigma Chi while trying to memorize the answers to the stolen test questions to get a solid C passing grade. High five. Smirnoff Ice chug. Dick slap! Daddy's rich. Good enough for government work. Sexy at any age.
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He looks like the love child of Ace Ventura and Ray Liotta attending a "silly suit" costume party at Sigma Chi while trying to memorize the answers to the stolen test questions to get a solid C passing grade. High five. Smirnoff Ice chug. Dick slap! Daddy's rich. Good enough for government work. Sexy at any age.
Upvote dude!
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That is such a bad feeling. Not as bad as that feeling when you realize that you have a plane ticket and hotel room for a 17 year old on your AMEX, but looking down and realizing that your "spade" flush has two Jacks in it or whatever, just awful.
No AMEX but Apple Pay and Cash App. Close enough?
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That’s how it is in most countries nothing US specific, the law can’t take into account the vagaries of an individual’s ability to consent to sex so an arbitrary line has to be drawn.
It should be noted that in most countries, if someone is above the age of consent with regards to sex, then it's also legal to bring them across state or provincial borders. If they are paid to travel with them, in a kind of "sugar daddy" style prostitution, it would possibly be illegal even if it might be quite hard to prove in court. That straddles the line between what you could call a legal "transactional relationship" and illegal prostitution.
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It may just be coincidence, but Gaetz was the only Republican (actually the only house representative) to vote against a human trafficking bill back in 2017.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-trafficking-/

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It may just be coincidence, but Gaetz was the only Republican (actually the only house representative) to vote against a human trafficking bill back in 2017.
As delicious as that irony would be (and to be 100% clear I'm not saying self interest wasn't a factor in that) that's probably more a case of Gaetz being one of the new wave of pure troll Republicans who "Pointless Contrarian" is one of their primary go-to responses.

It may be that he saw the bill as a personal threat to him (although honestly even he's not so thick as not get that the bill was going to pass anyway) but honestly it's probably more a case of him just being the legislative equivalent to the internet troll who thinks being the lone standout against a popular opinion is somehow inherently noble or useful, the legislative equivalent to the jerkwads online who are the reason you can't say "Water is wet" on the internet without not only someone taking time out of their goddamn day to disagree with you, but acting like they are doing you a favor by doing it.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The highlighted violates Coxon's Law (named after a school teacher friend of mine).

"Never use a preposition to end a sentence with"
- Jim Coxon, Beckenham School, Christchurch c. 1975
I'm sure Gaetz has ended many sentences with a proposition.
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Congrats to the GOP for giving us someone else as creepy and punchable as Ted Cruz.
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Congrats to the GOP for giving us someone else as creepy and punchable as Ted Cruz.
Punchable, yes. Creepy... no. Unless Ted has a lot of teenage/prepubescent skeletons buried somewhere, Gaetz wins the creep contest hands down.
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Punchable, yes. Creepy... no. Unless Ted has a lot of teenage/prepubescent skeletons buried somewhere, Gaetz wins the creep contest hands down.
Well, Cruz is also creepy in the slimy, faux human sense.

Gaetz has pulled into the lead if it's a contest, though.
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Old 2nd April 2021, 07:38 AM   #192
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Yeah, I think the GOP wants him to go away rather than circle the wagons around him. Don't you think Gaetz prefers Newsmax to Fox now?


But consider this - how many times have we seen them circle the wagons around someone who was clearly just as guilty of the same kind of creepy/illegal stuff? Rapey McDrunkface, Judge Hebephile, "President" Trump.

So why abandon this creep now? Why aren't they doubling down on him like they did with everyone else?

The way I figure it, they've got some inside scoop on some things he did that are even worse than what we've heard - so much worse that even the modern GOP realized they couldn't pull off saving this guy.

And that's got to be pretty fracking bad. It will be interesting to see what the FBI and DoJ have to say when they're finally ready to pull the trigger on this guy.
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but the guy's in his mid-late 30s - a guy that age really shouldn't be with a high-school age girl.
Do you mean in general or in this specific instance?
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Old 2nd April 2021, 08:10 AM   #194
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
No AMEX but Apple Pay and Cash App. Close enough?
Yep - I was thinking of travel costs and maybe gifts. I hadn't even dreamt that he would have directly paid some girl like a sugar daddy thing. What a dope.

I had one friend that used to show us nude photos of his gal pals; it was always creepy and almost never appreciated. Oh, and we were on a golf cart or in a bar, not on the floor of the House of Representatives.
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Old 2nd April 2021, 09:05 AM   #195
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
but the guy's in his mid-late 30s - a guy that age really shouldn't be with a high-school age girl.
Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post
Do you mean in general or in this specific instance?
By the half-your-age-plus-seven rule, in general.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
But consider this - how many times have we seen them circle the wagons around someone who was clearly just as guilty of the same kind of creepy/illegal stuff? Rapey McDrunkface, Judge Hebephile, "President" Trump.

Yeah, that's worth thinking about. Except, I don't think Trump belongs on that list. His base of political supporters explains why he gets a pass from the GOP.
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We're still in a state of Schrödinger's Politics right now.

The Right was completely full of big dickhead energy because they owned the Presidency, the branch of Congress that can actually do anything, the Supreme Court, and the country's top law enforcement and prosecutors. That pretty much has all your escape routes covered.

They don't now so they don't know what they can get away with. Expect a lot of them trying to get a feel for how far they are allowed to go now before the new Mommy and Daddy smack them on the hand.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
We're still in a state of Schrödinger's Politics right now.

The Right was completely full of big dickhead energy because they owned the Presidency, the branch of Congress that can actually do anything, the Supreme Court, and the country's top law enforcement and prosecutors. That pretty much has all your escape routes covered.

They don't now so they don't know what they can get away with. Expect a lot of them trying to get a feel for how far they are allowed to go now before the new Mommy and Daddy smack them on the hand.
Such as McCarthy keeping the creep on the Judiciary Committe (!) until an indictment should come down. In Universe Prime, an active investigation would have a member instantly removed from such an assignment. Especially here because of the conflict involved where the subject of an investigation exercises oversight over the department conducting the investigation.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
By the half-your-age-plus-seven rule, in general.
Not getting drawn into a discussion on specifics. All I'll say is that if that's all it was, I kinda have to lean towards "I don't respect you, but I'm still serious about reducing the number of people in prisons".

And even when I posted it, that didn't sound like all there was - much less now.
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Oh yes

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...085759179.html

Gaetz—the Trump-loving, Fox News-grinning, 38-year-old Florida Republican—has a less-than-sterling reputation among his congressional colleagues. More than a half-dozen lawmakers have spoken to these reporters about his love of alcohol and illegal drugs, as well as his proclivity for younger women. It’s well-known among Republican lawmakers that Gaetz was dating a college student—one over the age of consent—in 2018. She came to Washington as an intern.
One columnist says on reason why Gaetz's political career is probably doomed is that most of his fellow GOP congressmen can't stand him.
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