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Old 11th September 2021, 06:23 AM   #1961
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The Trump tax cuts were a collosal waste of taxpayer money with no significant impact on the economy, and they certainly did pay for themselves.
So whatever praise you have for the Trump economy has to be given to Obama instead.
Did you perhaps forget a "not" in there?
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Old 11th September 2021, 10:40 AM   #1962
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm not praising Trump for the economy. I'm saying the reason it plummeted is because of Covid. I mean, this is so obvious that it is ridiculous that some are disputing it.
Seriously Warp. Are you reading people's posts? Because it doesn't seem that you are.

No one is saying that COVID isn't a major factor in the economy tanking. They are saying that the Trump enjoyed the economic recovery created by the Obama administration. And that the economy was faltering before the pandemic.

Please stop pretending that anyone is saying anything else.
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Old 11th September 2021, 11:52 AM   #1963
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Did you perhaps forget a "not" in there?
TBH, looking at it now, I'm not sure what I was writing.
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Old 11th September 2021, 03:16 PM   #1964
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
TBH, looking at it now, I'm not sure what I was writing.
I'll just take that as a yes.
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Old 11th September 2021, 06:25 PM   #1965
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Why do you think the economy was in "shambles"? This sounds like the propaganda from Biden, talking about the "unprecedented growth" of our economy since he took over.
Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I think it was in shambles because of Trump's horrible policies not to mention his obvious incompetence.
Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Seriously Warp. Are you reading people's posts? Because it doesn't seem that you are.

No one is saying that COVID isn't a major factor in the economy tanking. They are saying that the Trump enjoyed the economic recovery created by the Obama administration. And that the economy was faltering before the pandemic.

Please stop pretending that anyone is saying anything else.
I'm reading people's posts. Are you reading your own?
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Old 11th September 2021, 06:30 PM   #1966
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm reading people's posts. Are you reading your own?
Yes.
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Old 11th September 2021, 07:29 PM   #1967
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Yes.
To poke further at what you said, probably unnecessarily -

Personally, I wouldn't classify the economy as in "shambles" at either the end of Trump's term or when he was voted out. By that point it should have recovered to some extent from the worst points, at least. Still, it certainly was still hurting quite a bit.

To poke further at Warp12's attempt at a counterpoint regarding what he quoted -

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Yeah, probably Covid lockdowns and all that came along with the pandemic (including globally) had nothing to do with it. Talk about delusion.

This is some off-planet stuff. Wow.
This is Warp12 creating a trap based in fallacy, which far too many fell into. Incidentally, it may be worth pointing out as a side note that the economic side of the point of actual lockdowns is that the appropriate use of them should end up with a much healthier economy in the long-run for the price of short-term pain and that Trump's bad decisions, pre-pandemic and early pandemic, are major reasons why most of the general shutdowns were even needed in the first place, rather than much more localized lockdowns and more targeted measures like tracing contacts and dealing with things at that level. It may also be worth noting that the US didn't actually do much in the way of actual lockdowns in the first place, just shutdowns and recommendations to stay at home.
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Old 11th September 2021, 07:54 PM   #1968
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I agree, and it’s worth noting that many people chose to stay in and many businesses chose to scale back. Where I live the mandates, short lived as they were, weren’t enforced and when they were shot down in the courts businesses struggled just the same.
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Old 11th September 2021, 08:03 PM   #1969
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
To poke further at what you said, probably unnecessarily -

Personally, I wouldn't classify the economy as in "shambles" at either the end of Trump's term or when he was voted out. By that point it should have recovered to some extent from the worst points, at least. Still, it certainly was still hurting quite a bit.

To poke further at Warp12's attempt at a counterpoint regarding what he quoted -



This is Warp12 creating a trap based in fallacy, which far too many fell into. Incidentally, it may be worth pointing out as a side note that the economic side of the point of actual lockdowns is that the appropriate use of them should end up with a much healthier economy in the long-run for the price of short-term pain and that Trump's bad decisions, pre-pandemic and early pandemic, are major reasons why most of the general shutdowns were even needed in the first place, rather than much more localized lockdowns and more targeted measures like tracing contacts and dealing with things at that level. It may also be worth noting that the US didn't actually do much in the way of actual lockdowns in the first place, just shutdowns and recommendations to stay at home.
Unemployment went from 3.5% in Feb, to 14.8% in April.

"Recommendation" to stay at home was not at play in my state. There were real restrictions. And many local businesses are gone, now.

Your long-winded argument is idiotic. This isn't China.
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Old 11th September 2021, 10:47 PM   #1970
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Unemployment went from 3.5% in Feb, to 14.8% in April.

"Recommendation" to stay at home was not at play in my state. There were real restrictions. And many local businesses are gone, now.

Your long-winded argument is idiotic. This isn't China.
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Old 11th September 2021, 11:08 PM   #1971
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Unemployment went from 3.5% in Feb, to 14.8% in April.
Yes, shutdowns happened.

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"Recommendation" to stay at home was not at play in my state. There were real restrictions.
Yes, there were real restrictions. For most of the US, if not all, they weren't even close to actual lockdowns, though.

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And many local businesses are gone, now.
Unfortunately, yes.

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Your long-winded argument is idiotic. This isn't China.
Your rebuttal is idiotic. And?
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Old 12th September 2021, 12:50 AM   #1972
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Yes, there were real restrictions. For most of the US, if not all, they weren't even close to actual lockdowns, though.
When I heard that there were lockdowns/shutdowns coming and that people were stocking up on food at the grocery stores, I thought that meant we were facing real shutdowns/lockdowns, meaning not even getting to buy food for two weeks. Instead, not only were the grocery stores completely unaffected, so were others like hardware stores, and, to the extent that anything really happened at all, it was well over two weeks. As lockdowns/shutdowns go, that's exactly how to minimize effectiveness against a disease while maximizing harm to the economy.

I bought my truck during that time, at a dealership that took a few hours of driving to get to, and had to find a way to get there and bring the truck back home without leaving my old car at the dealership, because I was not trading in the car. I ended up renting a trailer to tow the car back; U-Haul was open. Another option I looked into was riding a bus to the dealership so I could just leave the car at home; Greyhound was open. (The dealership had been closed for a while but this happened on its first day open again.)

U-Haul and Greyhound were both open. That's beyond just not a real lockdown/shutdown; that's what you'd leave open if your goal were to deliberately spread a disease around as much as possible.
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Old 12th September 2021, 10:10 AM   #1973
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
When I heard that there were lockdowns/shutdowns coming and that people were stocking up on food at the grocery stores, I thought that meant we were facing real shutdowns/lockdowns, meaning not even getting to buy food for two weeks. Instead, not only were the grocery stores completely unaffected, so were others like hardware stores, and, to the extent that anything really happened at all, it was well over two weeks.
For my part, I was an "essential" worker doing a job that was rather thoroughly not essential throughout the entire shutdown period. I didn't expect grocery stores to close, but I was rather shocked when I found out a bit later that my Dad was taking trips to shop at one place or another pretty much every day (and that he was hardly the only one).


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As lockdowns/shutdowns go, that's exactly how to minimize effectiveness against a disease while maximizing harm to the economy.
Not going to argue with this.
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Old 12th September 2021, 02:17 PM   #1974
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Here in my part of Canada businesses deemed "essential" were open, but with strict capacity limits along with enforced social distancing and mask wearing. It seems to have worked; the overall infection rate since the start of the pandemic is 40.6/thousand (cf the USA at 125.5/thousand) and the overall death rate is 713/million (US 2,033.)
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Old 12th September 2021, 03:11 PM   #1975
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
Here in my part of Canada businesses deemed "essential" were open, but with strict capacity limits along with enforced social distancing and mask wearing. It seems to have worked; the overall infection rate since the start of the pandemic is 40.6/thousand (cf the USA at 125.5/thousand) and the overall death rate is 713/million (US 2,033.)
Well, that's what happens when you live in a socialistcommiefascistlibtard country like Canada. Y'all ain't got no freedoms like us!

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For my part, I was an "essential" worker doing a job that was rather thoroughly not essential throughout the entire shutdown period. I didn't expect grocery stores to close, but I was rather shocked when I found out a bit later that my Dad was taking trips to shop at one place or another pretty much every day (and that he was hardly the only one).
I haven't been in a grocery/department store in close to a year. All the major store chains now do the shopping for you. Pick your items online, pick them up that afternoon or the next day. I'll continue to do so when this is over. It's so damn convenient.
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I haven't been in a grocery/department store in close to a year. All the major store chains now do the shopping for you. Pick your items online, pick them up that afternoon or the next day. I'll continue to do so when this is over. It's so damn convenient.
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Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
I haven't been in a grocery/department store in close to a year. All the major store chains now do the shopping for you. Pick your items online, pick them up that afternoon or the next day. I'll continue to do so when this is over. It's so damn convenient.
I remember 'window wishing' on Main Street. I adjusted when everything moved to 'The Mall'. But sitting at my computer just doesn't bring me the same social satisfaction of being out in the community, even if Mrs. kevbo is looking over my shoulder. I liked the Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs for browsing, too. I agree about the convenience, though.
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Old 13th September 2021, 02:34 AM   #1979
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
"Tanking", lol. Yeah, no real impact from Covid.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...c8680e2f36.jpg

"2020 Stock Market Crash":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_stock_market_crash
Correct. That little blip is nothing like previous notable stock market crashes.

Covid didn't 'tank' the economy. There was was a short sharp drop due to investors panicking over what impact it might have, but the markets soon recovered. Had our response to the virus been competent that would have been the end of it.

But president Trump gambled on minimizing the response to 'save' the economy, which resulted in more disruption - then finally claimed that after November 2020 it would magically disappear (when in reality exactly the opposite happened). It's not the virus itself that damaged the economy, but our incompetent response to it. We were not alone in that though - most countries responses were poor, with predictable results that will take years to see the full impact of.

Luckily for us (and the economy) Biden was able to take the actions needed to get the virus under control before it was too late, and now only a few Republican-lead states are really hurting. Of course it would have been better if we had taken appropriate action 6 months earlier, and the economy would have been stronger as a result. Oh yeah, and a lot fewer people would be sick or dead! The human cost has been far greater, and the effect of that on the economy is hard to judge.

I wouldn't say the economy was 'in tatters' when Biden took over. However it was not as strong as it could have been, and in danger of heading down the tubes if we continued to underestimate Covid. I give credit to Biden (and all those who voted for him) for avoiding the catastrophe we were headed for under Trump.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm not praising Trump for the economy. I'm saying the reason it plummeted is because of Covid. I mean, this is so obvious that it is ridiculous that some are disputing it.
The recession began before Covid, this is a fact.
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I'm not praising Trump for the economy. I'm saying the reason it plummeted is because of Covid. I mean, this is so obvious that it is ridiculous that some are disputing it.
You can't isolate Covid for its effect on the economy because the problems of Covid were made worse by Trump. Had Trump actually been competent, then perhaps Covid would not have spread as much as it did (which would have limited its economic impact.)

Trying to absolve Trump because "covid hurt the economy" is like trying to absolve an arsonist from losing his house, with the argument "I didn't destroy my home, fire did. Ignore the matches in my hand."

And as others have stated, the economy was likely heading for a recession anyways, even if Covid had not hit:

- Manufacturing was in a recession during a significant portion of Trump's administration.

(See: Business Insider)

- The Trade deficit was increasing

(See: Politico)

- There were signs in the stock and bonds markets, with occasional plunges in the stock market and an inverted yield curve in the bond market (traditionally an indicator of upcoming economic problems)

(See: The Hill)

- By mid-2019 (i.e. prior to Covid) Both GDP and employment expansion had started to slow down

(See: The Hill)
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
"Tanking", lol. Yeah, no real impact from Covid.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...c8680e2f36.jpg

"2020 Stock Market Crash":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_stock_market_crash
The stock market is not the sole indicator of how the economy is doing. Even while our unemployment rate skyrocketed, so did the stock market after April 2020.

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The S&P 500 gained more than 16 percent in 2020, a strong return in a year of steep job losses and widespread pain.

The U.S. stock market ended 2020 at all-time highs, enriching the wealthy and capping off a soaring comeback despite a deadly pandemic that has killed more than 340,000 Americans and left millions jobless and hungry.

The S&P 500-stock index, the most widely watched gauge, is finishing the year up more than 16 percent. The Dow Jones industrial average and the tech-heavy Nasdaq gained 7.25 percent and 43.6 percent, respectively. The Dow and S&P 500 finished at record levels despite the public health and economic crises.

Wall Street’s resurgence has been fueled by the largest federal government stimulus ever, historic support from the Federal Reserve and optimism about how quickly the economy is likely to bounce back next year as coronavirus vaccines become widely distributed. Investors have largely ignored the pain on Main Street, including pronounced unemployment, overrun hospitals and battered small businesses. On the eve of the new year, nearly 20 million people remained on unemployment, a jobs crisis worse than during the Great Recession.
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The recession began before Covid, this is a fact.
That just shows how powerful COVIDs ability to crash the economy was.
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That just shows how powerful COVIDs ability to crash the economy was.
Also proof that Covid arrived long before officials say it did. It was destroying the economy even before it started infecting people!
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Looks like there's another Voting Rights Bill coming up - a Manchin compromise one, so we'll see what he actually brings to the table to help make it happen.

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This bill includes three sections, each intended to protect the right to vote and strengthen our democracy. Bill text can be found here.

I.Voter Access and Election Administration

This section includes provisions to advance voter access by implementing reliable state best practices for voter registration and election administration to ensure all Americans can easily exercise their freedom to vote regardless of where they live.

Automatic Voter Registration and Online Voter Registration: Enacts an automatic voter registration system for each state through the state’s motor vehicle agency and ensures voters in all states have access to online voter registration.
Election Day Holiday: Makes Election Day a public holiday.
Uniform Early Voting: Ensures voters have access to at least 15 consecutive days of early voting for federal elections, including two weekends, while accommodating small election jurisdictions and vote-by-mail jurisdictions.
Same Day Voter Registration: Ensures every state offers same day registration at a limited number of locations for the 2022 elections and at all polling locations by 2024, allowing election officials, especially in rural areas, time to implement the new requirements.
Federal Minimum Standards on Vote by Mail and Drop Boxes: Ensures all voters can request a mail-in ballot, improves the delivery of election mail, and puts in place minimum standards to ensure drop boxes are available and accessible to all voters.
Strengthens Voter List Maintenance Standards: Requires that the removal of voters from the rolls is done on the basis of reliable and objective evidence and prohibits the use of returned mail sent by third parties to remove voters.
Counting of Provisional Ballots: Requires provisional ballots to count for all eligible races within a county, regardless of the precinct they were cast in.
Standards for Voter Identification: Promotes voter confidence and access by requiring a uniform national standard for states that require identification for in-person voting, and allowing voters to present a broad set of identification cards and documents in hard copy and digital form. States that do not have a voter identification requirement would not be required to make any changes.
Voting Rights Restoration for Returning Citizens: Restores the right to vote in federal elections for people who have served their time for felony convictions after they are released from prison.
Expanded Voting Access Protections for the Disabled, Native Americans, Military, Overseas Voters, and Underserved Communities: Includes targeted protections to promote accessible voting to communities facing unique challenges.

II. Election Integrity

This section includes measures to promote confidence in elections, stop partisan election subversion, and protect against election interference, both foreign and domestic.

Preventing State Election Subversion: Establishes federal protections to insulate nonpartisan state and local officials who administer federal elections from undue partisan interference or control.
Protection of Election Records, Election Infrastructure, and Ballot Tabulation: Strengthens protections for federal election records and election infrastructure in order to protect the integrity and security of ballots and voting systems.
Voter-Verified Paper Ballots, Reliable Audits, and Voting System Upgrades: Requires states to use voting systems that use paper ballots that can be verified by voters and to implement reliable post-election audits. Also provides grants for states to purchase new and more secure voting systems and make cybersecurity improvements.
Non-Partisan Election Official Recruitment and Training: Tasks the Election Assistance Commission with developing model training programs to recruit a new generation of election workers and provides dedicated grants for training and recruitment.
Comprehensive Voting System Security Protections: Puts in place election vendor cybersecurity standards, including standards for manufacturing and assembling voting machines, among other key security measures.
Establishing Duty to Report Foreign Election Interference: Creates a reporting requirement for federal campaigns to disclose certain foreign contacts.

III. Civic Participation and Empowerment

This section includes provisions to prevent partisan manipulation of the redistricting process, establishes uniform disclosure standards for money in politics, and empowers states to make critical investments in their election systems.

Non-Partisan Redistricting Reform and Banning Partisan Gerrymandering: Requires states to abide by specific criteria for congressional redistricting and makes judicial remedies available for states’ failure to comply. Allows states to choose how to develop redistricting plans, including the option of having an independent redistricting commission.
Combatting Secret Money and Election Interference (DISCLOSE Act and Honest Ads Act): Requires super PACs, 501(c)(4) groups, and other organizations spending money in elections to disclose donors and shuts down the use of transfers between organizations to cloak the identity of contributors. Ensures that political ads sold online have the same transparency and disclosure requirements as ads sold on TV, radio, and satellite.
State Election Assistance and Innovation Fund: Establishes a self-sustaining fund to finance critical investments in state-led innovations for our democracy and election infrastructure. The fund is financed through an additional assessment paid on federal fines, penalties, and settlements for certain tax crimes and corporate malfeasance. States would be allotted an annual distribution for eligible democracy and election-related investments. States could select to access their full distribution or a partial distribution, or roll over their distribution for future use.
Nonpartisan Oversight of Federal Election Law: Improves the ability of the Federal Election Commission to carry out oversight and enforcement responsibilities.
Stopping Illicit Super PAC Coordination: Creates “coordinated spender” category to ensure single-candidate super PACs do not operate as arms of campaigns.
It looks like it's filled with a lot of good stuff.
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It seems to me that these voting rights bills might be trying to do too much at once. Each of the separate components could be its own separate bill. Then whichever pieces draw the most resistance still don't get passed, but at least the ones that more legislators agree on can, without the former needlessly getting in the way of the latter.

Without the parts being separated at the initial bill-writing stage, they should at least keep open the option of doing so in the negotiation stage.
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I often wonder about the way bills are bundled together, and how it seems to result in compromises so great that the opposition party ends up virtually writing them (Affordable health care, anyone?). On the other hand, I also suspect that if they were taken a piece at a time, the opposition would be ready to say something along the lines of "That again? We already did that." and blow it off.

So I don't know which works better. These days I don't think much works very well at all. Glad I'm not a congressman anyway.
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I often wonder about the way bills are bundled together, and how it seems to result in compromises so great that the opposition party ends up virtually writing them (Affordable health care, anyone?). On the other hand, I also suspect that if they were taken a piece at a time, the opposition would be ready to say something along the lines of "That again? We already did that." and blow it off.

So I don't know which works better. These days I don't think much works very well at all. Glad I'm not a congressman anyway.
I think part of it might be a timing thing. They're willing to debate one big bill more than three smaller, related ones.
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So I don't know which works better. These days I don't think much works very well at all. Glad I'm not a congressman anyway.

And that's the problem. When you have one side that simply isn't interested in doing their job, every bill you try to pass ends up being just as big a fight, no matter how well-focused it might be. So you might as well only fight the idiots once, instead of a dozen times.

I could wish it weren't so; I've never been a fan of these "omnibus" kind of bills. But in the current climate of US government, I can see why it's done this way.
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Old 15th September 2021, 09:59 PM   #1990
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To poke at another thing -

Biden's child tax credit pays big in Republican states, popular with voters

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A one-year expansion of the U.S. child tax credit, a policy championed by President Joe Biden and his fellow Democrats over Republican opposition, has disproportionately benefited states that voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020, a Reuters review of Treasury Department data has found.

Congressional Democrats are now seeking to extend the expansion for four additional years as part of $3.5 trillion social spending legislation opposed by Trump's fellow Republicans.
Benefits people most in red states and least in blue states, as a general matter? I'm entirely fine with that. Help to the people is a good thing, after all. I support the Democrats as they seek to help everyone reasonably. I do not support the Republicans, of course, as they continue to work to harm and prevent help to the people who need it (while working hard to benefit the people who don't need it).

Elsewhere, for a bit of amusement on the side -

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“This is the new thing for Republicans,” Kimmel said Tuesday night. “If you win it was a landslide, if you lose it was fraud.”

Elder lost.

But Kimmel noted that Trump set the stage for that claim, calling the effort a fraud, without evidence, days ago.

“Guys, I get it,” Kimmel said, then he summed it up in five words: “You’re losers, and you’re embarrassed.”

Kimmel said he understands on some level.

“It’s the same way I felt when I was still a virgin my senior year in high school,” he said. “But trust me, lying about it doesn’t help. It just makes it worse."
Ouch.
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The three conservative Democratic lawmakers threatening to kill their party’s drug pricing legislation have raked in roughly $1.6 million of campaign cash from donors in the pharmaceutical and health products industries. One of the lawmakers is the House’s single largest recipient of pharmaceutical industry campaign cash this election cycle, and another lawmaker’s immediate past chief of staff is now lobbying for drugmakers.

The threat from Democratic Reps. Kurt Schrader (Ore.), Scott Peters (Calif.), and Kathleen Rice (N.Y.) comes just as the pharmaceutical industry’s top lobbying group announced a seven-figure ad campaign to vilify the Democratic legislation that aims to lower the cost of medicines for Americans now facing the world’s highest prescription drug prices.

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Polls show that the idea of allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices is wildly popular — to the point where swing-state and swing-district Democrats, and even former President Donald Trump, have expressed support for it.
https://www.dailyposter.com/follow-the-pharma-money/

Corporate bought Democrats once again standing in the way of passing overwhelmingly popular policies.

Seems at some point there should be a reckoning on how these so called "moderate" Democrats are hamstringing the party and preventing them from doing any of the popular things that would bolster their electoral chances.
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doing any of the popular things that would bolster their electoral chances.
I don't know about the other two, but there's a twitter screengrab circulating of Rice campaigning on reducing prescription drug prices, the very thing she's voting against now. Why do something when you can get elected just for saying you're going to do it?

What're you gonna do about it, huh? Vote Republican?
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Biden needs to get the election bill passed. He needs to present it to Manchin as an opportunity. An opportunity to get rid of Trump. If the law passes, Trump will not run. He will then fade out and leave politics by 2025. Even his role past 2022 will be dimished.
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Approval rating down to 45.9% for Biden.
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Yeahbut Afghanistan will be forgotten by 2024 election. Covid will remain for 2022 election so Biden factor will affect Democrats running.
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Approval rating down to 45.9% for Biden.
Considering Trump was almost never above 40, it doesn't matter much. The Republicans are grotesquely unpopular with the electorate.

Let's see where he's at in a year. Then it might matter.
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He needs to present it to Manchin as an opportunity.
Won't work. Current Washington politics makes much more sense when you realize Manchin is a Republican in everything but name. He's funded by Koch, he has private meetings with McConnell. He will never sign on to any Democratic legislation with any teeth whatsoever, end of story.
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I'm very disappointed with Kurt Schrader. This will not be looked on with favor here in OR.
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I'm very disappointed with Kurt Schrader. This will not be looked on with favor here in OR.
His lack of support for lowering drug pricing could be looked on as a reason to get him primaried, especially considering his campaign promises. The hypocrisy may run deep with him, considering his family involvement in Pfizer and other drug companies. Not my district, but I would consider a primary challenge appropriate.
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I voted for Biden. I can't stand Trump. I think Trump is one of the worst things to happen to my country in my lifetime.

I have no great love for Biden. I and I think he totally messed up the Afghanistan withdraw. Should been more prepared for the Taliban takeover and probably should have evacuation much slower.

If he wants to keep Trump from returning to Whitehouse, I suggest he doesn't run for a second term. If Biden does run for a 2nd term, I may just have to vote independent.
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