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Old 12th August 2021, 11:04 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
You have to understand the Right and the GOP base are terrified, I mean white as a ghost petrified, of the idea of the government doing something good and effectively. To them having to watch the government actually solve a problem will shatter their world view to the point we might as well force them to look at the creatures from Birdbox.

"Government is bad, and to prove it we will govern badly" is really not even the subtext anymore, it's the text.

Because they have perverted and toxified "freedom" as a concept into a sad, pathetic, edgelord game of "You can't tell me what to do" and think that's the same thing.
I absolutely agree with the highlighted. They're like teens who think they're really exerting their independence by showing their parents they don't have to follow house rules by doing stupid stuff that endangers them. "You can't tell me I have to be in at 10:00 PM so I'll just sneak out at 1:00 AM and go drink to the point of passing out with my buddies! That'll show you!"

CNN: "26 AZ Republicans urge governor to withhold public funding from schools requiring masks: 'It borders on anarchy and destabilizes the very foundation of our society to have local governments effectively refusing to comply with the law. It must not be allowed to stand.' "

Well then....maybe you should be asking yourselves just why so many local governments are refusing to comply with that law. Idiots.
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Old 12th August 2021, 11:28 AM   #242
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I absolutely agree with the highlighted. They're like teens who think they're really exerting their independence by showing their parents they don't have to follow house rules by doing stupid stuff that endangers them. "You can't tell me I have to be in at 10:00 PM so I'll just sneak out at 1:00 AM and go drink to the point of passing out with my buddies! That'll show you!"

CNN: "26 AZ Republicans urge governor to withhold public funding from schools requiring masks: 'It borders on anarchy and destabilizes the very foundation of our society to have local governments effectively refusing to comply with the law. It must not be allowed to stand.' "

Well then....maybe you should be asking yourselves just why so many local governments are refusing to comply with that law. Idiots.
Same thing.
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Old 12th August 2021, 11:37 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Same thing.
Speaking of AZ GOP idiots, how's that AZ senate " we just want questions answered election recount" going for them?
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Old 12th August 2021, 05:21 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Speaking of AZ GOP idiots, how's that AZ senate " we just want questions answered election recount" going for them?
They are trying to prevent Cyber Ninjas from having to turn over information, saying it's not public records. The Senate still has to turn over all the documents it has though. It's all still in appeals courts. Expedited review August 18 for whether they are public records. You know, since the public (Senate idiots) requested them and used public money to fund some of the audit.

The Ninjas raised over $5 million for the audit from private donors. What does that tell you about the impartiality of the audit? It was always a political hit job.
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Old 12th August 2021, 06:46 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
They are trying to prevent Cyber Ninjas from having to turn over information, saying it's not public records. The Senate still has to turn over all the documents it has though. It's all still in appeals courts. Expedited review August 18 for whether they are public records. You know, since the public (Senate idiots) requested them and used public money to fund some of the audit.

The Ninjas raised over $5 million for the audit from private donors. What does that tell you about the impartiality of the audit? It was always a political hit job.
Thanks for the update. Of course it was a GOP hit job. No question about that to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. That lets out most of the AZ GOP senators.
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Old 12th August 2021, 08:16 PM   #246
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Interestingly, Florida is only #24 in Covid deaths per 1m of population. The top 3 spots go to blue states, ironically.
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Old 12th August 2021, 09:28 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Interestingly, Florida is only #24 in Covid deaths per 1m of population. The top 3 spots go to blue states, ironically.
For the entire pandemic. Those top 3 blue states seemed to have learned something in the mean time.

Florida is currently outpacing them for death by 3 to 1 and Florida has a smaller population than those 3 combined. After adjusting for that Florida is outpacing them 4.5 to 1.

Can you acknowledge how stupid that is? Florida is killing it's population when it has a choice. Those people who died in those other states died when there was no choice.

This pandemic is now optional. You can opt out. There is no excuse for not opting out. Only the stupid haven't opted out.

How, and it may be worse than I said because Florida isn't reporting it's full numbers right now. Way to go Florida!
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Old 12th August 2021, 09:36 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
For the entire pandemic. Those top 3 blue states seemed to have learned something in the mean time.

Florida is currently outpacing them for death by 3 to 1 and Florida has a smaller population than those 3 combined. After adjusting for that Florida is outpacing them 4.5 to 1.

Can you acknowledge how stupid that is? Florida is killing it's population when it has a choice. Those people who died in those other states died when there was no choice.

This pandemic is now optional. You can opt out. There is no excuse for not opting out. Only the stupid haven't opted out.

How, and it may be worse than I said because Florida isn't reporting it's full numbers right now. Way to go Florida!
What I can acknowledge is, Florida has a ways to go to catch them, when looking at overall deaths per 1m population. Pretty simple.

If they don't surpass them on that stat, then they made out better, statistically.

Nobody here was worried about praising them before the delta variant, lol.
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Old 12th August 2021, 10:01 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
What I can acknowledge is, Florida has a ways to go to catch them, when looking at overall deaths per 1m population. Pretty simple.

If they don't surpass them on that stat, then they made out better, statistically.

Nobody here was worried about praising them before the delta variant, lol.
Heavily dense blue states suffered badly during the start of the pandemic when the experts were struggling to find out the cause and what could slow or stop it.

Now that we know masks and social distancing works, and that we have a vaccine, what’s the excuse that the dying red states have? Their hospital system is starting to fail, and they’re begging for ventilators.

Seems like those blue states at least learned something.
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Old 12th August 2021, 10:02 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
What I can acknowledge is, Florida has a ways to go to catch them, when looking at overall deaths per 1m population. Pretty simple.

If they don't surpass them on that stat, then they made out better, statistically.

Nobody here was worried about praising them before the delta variant, lol.
By your metric, if across the country 10,000 kids were diagnosed tomorrow with, say, measles, that would not reflect badly because there's still a long way to go to catch up with the historical numbers around the world.

Equating outcomes when the situations are very different is dishonest.

As stated, that the infection rates in FL are worse today, when a vaccine has been available for a few months, than in most places before any vaccine was available, is a mighty potent indictment of the citizenry.
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Old 12th August 2021, 10:12 PM   #251
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
What I can acknowledge is, ...
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Old 12th August 2021, 10:13 PM   #252
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DeathSantis loses in court.
Another win taking down over-regulation of businesses by Big Government bureaucrats using Communism to take away the freedoms of business owners.
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Old 12th August 2021, 10:59 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
They are trying to prevent Cyber Ninjas from having to turn over information, saying it's not public records. The Senate still has to turn over all the documents it has though. It's all still in appeals courts. Expedited review August 18 for whether they are public records. You know, since the public (Senate idiots) requested them and used public money to fund some of the audit.

The Ninjas raised over $5 million for the audit from private donors. What does that tell you about the impartiality of the audit? It was always a political hit job.
What it tells me is someone doing that audit will be riding the gravy train for as long as they can milk it. And the people donating the money to run the train are bloody ******* idiots if they can't figure that out.

It's an awfully expensive faux audit just to make people think they are actually finding anything. They'd have been better off investing in a PAC.
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Old 12th August 2021, 11:03 PM   #254
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Speaking of DeSantis' bizarro world, his soundbite for the day is the claim history or whoever will see that FL is looking out for the kids.

Words fail me.
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Old 12th August 2021, 11:58 PM   #255
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
What I can acknowledge is, Florida has a ways to go to catch them, when looking at overall deaths per 1m population. Pretty simple.

If they don't surpass them on that stat, then they made out better, statistically.

Nobody here was worried about praising them before the delta variant, lol.
Let's take a quick look at reality.

New York, one of the top 3, has an official total of 54,405 deaths. Of them, 30,060 occurred prior to May 26th, 2020. Of the rest, most were in the winter/spring spike from Dec 10th to May 5th this year, about 17,494 of them. Since may there have been around 2,000 deaths.

In Florida, they had just 2,442 deaths by May 2020. Since then this has climbed to 40,528 deaths. They had 15,308 deaths from Dec 10th to May 5th, and over 4,000 deaths since double the number of deaths in New York despite New York having a similar population size. (Florida has 2 million more people)

So what we see is that New York started out with a huge number of deaths while Floride had none. As New York got theirs under control, Florida's death toll started rising rapidly, and while it had a couple of spike bumps like elsewhere, unlike elsewhere it has remained steady since. New York had the winter spike and now deaths have tailed off to half that of Florida over the past 3 months.

As to cases, despite doing half the testing of New York, Florida has had 17,000 more cases per million people than New York does.

When you look at the death graphs for New Jersey and Massachusetts they show the same patterns as New York, an early 2020 spike and winter 2020 spike, and then just a few deaths a day outside of those spikes, flattening off in the last few months. Florida is very different. It has the two spikes, but it never really flattens out, the deaths between those spikes remaining at an average of about 50 deaths a day as it goes into a third spike.
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Speaking of DeSantis' bizarro world, his soundbite for the day is the claim history or whoever will see that FL is looking out for the kids.

Words fail me.
As in "Looking out for the kids so they can find them and kill them."
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
What it tells me is someone doing that audit will be riding the gravy train for as long as they can milk it. And the people donating the money to run the train are bloody ******* idiots if they can't figure that out.

It's an awfully expensive faux audit just to make people think they are actually finding anything. They'd have been better off investing in a PAC.
Or not. And I apologize for the DB link, it's just that it's not beyond a pay wall.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Interestingly, Florida is only #24 in Covid deaths per 1m of population. The top 3 spots go to blue states, ironically.
Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
For the entire pandemic. Those top 3 blue states seemed to have learned something in the mean time.

Florida is currently outpacing them for death by 3 to 1 and Florida has a smaller population than those 3 combined. After adjusting for that Florida is outpacing them 4.5 to 1.

Can you acknowledge how stupid that is? Florida is killing it's population when it has a choice. Those people who died in those other states died when there was no choice.

This pandemic is now optional. You can opt out. There is no excuse for not opting out. Only the stupid haven't opted out.

How, and it may be worse than I said because Florida isn't reporting it's full numbers right now. Way to go Florida!
It really pisses me off when people so glaringly misrepresent things and then expect us to fall for it.
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Interestingly, Florida is only #24 in Covid deaths per 1m of population. The top 3 spots go to blue states, ironically.
That's not ironical - this is ironical,
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Dick Farrel, longtime conservative radio host in Palm Beach County, dies of COVID-19. He had refused to be vaccinated

The day after he tested positive for COVID-19 and eight days before he was hospitalized, Farrel called Dr. Anthony Fauci a “power tripping lying freak.” Fauci, chief medical adviser to the president and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has advised seven presidents.

On July 2, Farrel described the Delta variant as “another avalanche of Footchi bull shif.” On July 3, Farrel referred to him as “FOOT-chee,” and opined that people weren’t “falling for” the notion of fourth, fifth or sixth waves of the virus...

Farrel didn’t think he had COVID at first. He “felt like a tickle in his throat. Just a scratch or something.”... “He thought he was going to kick this. We all did,” Farley said. “He didn’t know how sick he was.
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That's not ironical - this is ironical,
I'll agree, pretty ironic. He was an anti-vaxxer, though. I really have zero tolerance for ani-vaxxer's.

However, DeSantis is not an anti-vaxxer, and Florida's vaccination rates are very much in line with the national average.
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DeSantis' mouthpieces are also misrepresenting the Covid situation:
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Ferré and other DeSantis advisers and allies also faulted Biden for focusing so intensely on Florida while saying relatively little of Democrat-run states with higher death rates, such as Michigan, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut.
The higher death rates they're referring to are for the entire pandemic, before vaccines were available. But let's look at the last 7 days. Michigan, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are not even mentioned:


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In overall numbers, the CDC reports that Florida had the most new cases in the past 7 days with 140,410. That’s about 20,000 more than the previous week.

Texas is second with 86,338 new cases this past week, almost 22,000 more than the previous week.

California is in third place with 55,746 new cases, about 3,000 more than the previous week.

Louisiana is in fourth place with 37,659 new cases, about 5,000 more than the previous week.

Georgia is now in fifth place with 33,544 new cases, about 12,000 more than the prior week.

Florida and Texas accounted for about 30 percent of all the new COVID-19 cases in the country this past week, leading to some criticism of the way the pandemic has been handled in those states.
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The CDC reports that Louisiana is the leader on a per capita basis, with 810 cases per 100,000 residents over the past 7 days.

Florida is second with 653 cases per 100,000 residents while Mississippi is third with 620 cases per 100,000.

Arkansas is fourth with 529 cases per 100,000 residents with Alabama in fifth at 479 new cases per 100,000 residents.
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Texas recorded the most COVID-19 deaths over the past 7 days with 361.

Florida was second with 277 deaths, while Louisiana was third with 234 deaths. Missouri was next with 215 deaths.
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...2-4efa99fc9604

The only blue state in the top group for Covid cases is California but it is not included in the top four for deaths.
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It really pisses me off when people so glaringly misrepresent things and then expect us to fall for it.
Your statement is more ironic than the death Dick Farrel, by far.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'll agree, pretty ironic. He was an anti-vaxxer, though. I really have zero tolerance for ani-vaxxer's.

However, DeSantis is not an anti-vaxxer, and Florida's vaccination rates are very much in line with the national average.
The national average is lower due to the red states so that's not as compelling as it sounds. FL is ranked at 24 out of 51 (states plus DC) for percentage of fully vaccinated residents.

Almost every state ranked by vaccination percentage from 1-23 is a blue state while those ranked 24 -51 are overwhelmingly red states.

Below are the states and Washington, D.C., ranked by the percentage of their population that has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC.


https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-march-15.html

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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Your statement is more ironic than the death Dick Farrel, by far.
You have no idea what the word ironic means do you?
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The national average is lower due to the red states so that's not as compelling as it sounds. FL is ranked at 24 out of 51 (states plus DC) for percentage of fully vaccinated residents.

Almost every state ranked by vaccination percentage from 1-23 is a blue state while those ranked 24 -51 are overwhelmingly red states.

Below are the states and Washington, D.C., ranked by the percentage of their population that has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC.


https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-march-15.html
Right...but DeSantis is not by any stretch an anti-vaxxer. And ranking 24 is not on the bottom, by far. Can you at least admit those things?
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'll agree, pretty ironic. He was an anti-vaxxer, though. I really have zero tolerance for ani-vaxxer's.

However, DeSantis is not an anti-vaxxer, and Florida's vaccination rates are very much in line with the national average.
Because the National average has been skewed by red state numbers. Chalk up statistics as another subject your knowledge is sadly lacking.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Your statement is more ironic than the death Dick Farrel, by far.
I'm not the one misrepresenting the current status of Covid cases and deaths by stating that
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but failing to mention that's since the pandemic began a year and a half ago and pre-vaccination. That would be you. In truth, FL is first in new cases and second for deaths in the last week.

Irony is you accusing me of misrepresenting things.
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Right...but DeSantis is not by any stretch an anti-vaxxer. And ranking 24 is not on the bottom, by far. Can you at least admit those things?
I don't have to 'admit' anything as I never said he was an anti-vaxxer. I said he is anti-mask. Nor did I say FL ranked last for vaccination percentages.

Can you at least admit that you misrepresented where FL stands as far as Covid cases and deaths and that DeSantis' policies have had a direct effect on that status?

I'm off to bed.

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Because the National average has been skewed by red state numbers. Chalk up statistics as another subject your knowledge is sadly lacking.
The leader in deaths per 1m is NJ, at 3003. They are 59.26% vaccinated.

Florida is 24th on that death list, at 1887 per 1m. They are 49.84% vaccinated.

We'll see where this all ends, in the final tally of corpses. Even then, people are willing to accept risks for a certain amount of civil liberty. Remember, right now we are at about a 2% mortality rate.
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Old 13th August 2021, 02:41 AM   #270
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Interestingly, Florida is only #24 in Covid deaths per 1m of population. The top 3 spots go to blue states, ironically.
That sounds like the reverse of what right-wingers do when discussing climate change. But in the end it's all the same thing, isn't it?
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I don't have to 'admit' anything as I never said he was an anti-vaxxer. I said he is anti-mask. Nor did I say FL ranked last for vaccination percentages.

Can you at least admit that you misrepresented where FL stands as far as Covid cases and deaths and that DeSantis' policies have had a direct effect on that status?
No, I haven't misrepresented anything. Overall numbers are overall numbers. Easy to forget the dead of the past, right? You are probably holding out hope that things turn worse in FL, because "evil Republican".
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That sounds like the reverse of what right-wingers do when discussing climate change. But in the end it's all the same thing, isn't it?
Please, eliberate.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Please, eliberate.
What does "eliberate" mean?
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Oh come on Belz... it was a typo...
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Oh come on Belz... it was a typo...
Actually, not. But if it were, his sort of response would be typical.

It is like elaborating...but with a liberals slant.
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Incidentally, have you gotten around figuring out how shoehorning cumulative statistics to muddy the waters of a discussion on the current status of case surges in red states is stupid?
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Incidentally, have you gotten around figuring out how shoehorning cumulative statistics to muddy the waters of a discussion on the current status of case surges in red states is stupid?
I don't know...have you figured out how to quantify the value of liberty?
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Yeah...that lol' dog whistle. It's being used in India too...the way it was used in places like Afghanistan before the 1980s. Essentially it adds up to, "My right to be an ass to those around me are being restrained." This has nothing to do with civil liberties...though a bunch of politicians and media machinery have convinced you that this is so...and making it your world view gives you a sense of self-importance. You want to know what and assault on civil liberties is? Come to India, when I go next to try and meet up with friends currently in jail for raising their voices against the saffron fascism here.
You normalised white privilege has convinced you that not getting your toilet paper in your favourite colour is an assault on your civil liberties.
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Oh come on Belz... it was a typo...
You think his question was honest and genuine?

You don't think he understood exactly what I was refering to, especially after another poster pointed it out?
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No, I haven't misrepresented anything. Overall numbers are overall numbers. Easy to forget the dead of the past, right? You are probably holding out hope that things turn worse in FL, because "evil Republican".
No, De Santis is evil not because he's a Republican, but because he is knowingly feeding his people to the virus.

Yeah, other states have bigger numbers, when you include the pre-vaccine and first wave numbers, the numbers that died when doctors were still learning how to treat it, and when politicians made big mistakes in handling it because they didn't know any better. Governors like Cumo have blood on their hands, but they have it because they acted poorly out of ignorance. De Santis doesn't have that excuse. We now know exactly what the virus is, how it spreads, and how to stop it. He is going out of his way to prevent people from taking those measures and stopping this virus, he is actively helping it spread and kill people. That is what makes him evil. If the likes of Cumo and other Governors knew what we know now at the start of 2020 and had acted in the way that they did back then with all that knowledge, then they would deserve the same condemnation, but there is a major difference between allowing people to spread the virus because of ignorance and forcing the spread of the virus on people when you know full well what the results are going to be, but want to score political brownie points.
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