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Old 1st September 2021, 03:19 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Who implied this?
It could be that I did. I think, as I've repeatedly said, that the initial question as posed (and the spuriously inflammatory thread title as well) is ridiculous and not really answerable as a question because it requires a couple of established bits of reality to evaporate, the world we've lived in to be suddenly revealed as a bad dream.

A world in which Covid suddenly vanishes is a fantasy, and the suggestion that this would somehow untrump Trump is also. The fact is that Covid occurred and that the administration mishandled it tremendously.

One might have posed the question better. In an alternate universe in which there was no Covid to start with, I would still have gone against Trump because I would still consider him a pernicious idiot whose other misdeeds and lasting insults to democracy are bad enough with or without Covid. We are paying now for some of them in the incipient rush to do away with the right to abortion, and in the undermining of voting rights based on his incessant and outright insane lying, and in the continuing anti-science bias of those who deny global warming.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:24 PM   #362
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I once borrowed a 5'8" split tail for the weekend from a buddy. Rode that fishy thing hard. Super fast but hard to control.

We are talking about surfboards, yes?
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:26 PM   #363
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I am very sorry that I did not answer the question. I know that it is too late now.

I am a bad boy. I need to be DISCIPLINED. Perhaps Warp12 knows a nice big STRAPPING lady who would, for a con$ideration, TEACH ME A LESSON and ENFORCE THE RULES so that I won't do it again.

For a while.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:41 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This thread turned out to be a great example of how going completely OT is apparently OK... sometimes.

Oh not even close.

With Shanek in the discussion we would now discuss the various advantages
and disadvantages of intra-packet latency of using DHCP over Starlink verses
DCCP on Verizon FIOS right about now.


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Again, the OP question is, "How much do you really hate Trump?
Would you trade another term of him for no COVID?"

As a mathematical realist, I simply cannot conceive of a stable universe with such properties.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:41 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
So, you are saying he essentially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, then. In our current Covid world, that is.

People seem to forget that he still managed to get 74 million votes, even with how he screwed the pooch with Covid. That is why I am surprised that some just scoff at the idea of his chances of victory, and don't want to directly address the scenario I proposed.
It's like you didn't read my post at all.

You said Trump was on his way to certain victory. There was nothing certain or even probable about it. Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016. Accept for about 100K in votes in specific states he would never have won.

I didn't scoff at the possibility he could have won another electoral victory only that he was headed towards a second unpopular victory.

I also said that if Trump had handled COVID well, it may have carried him to an another electoral victory. But if is a contradiction to fact. We'll never know about a historical hypothetical that has a lot of factors stacked against it..
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:46 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
But I don't think you are a Democrat.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:47 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
But I don't think you are a Democrat.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:49 PM   #368
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
It's like you didn't read my post at all.

You said Trump was on his way to certain victory. There was nothing certain or even probable about it. Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016. Accept for about 100K in votes in specific states he would never have won.

I didn't scoff at the possibility he could have won another electoral victory only that he was headed towards a second unpopular victory.

I also said that if Trump had handled COVID well, it may have carried him to an another electoral victory. But if is a contradiction to fact. We'll never know about a historical hypothetical that has a lot of factors stacked against it..
I said I believed he was "well on his way" to victory. I didn't jump up and down saying there was no other possibility, just that I felt that was the way the wind was blowing. This was based on the economy and his incumbent status.

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I do however believe that COVID presented Trump an opportunity to easily win reelection.
You said that Covid was a great opportunity, that could have cemented his win. So, yeah, I did read what you said. I'm really not sure what the dispute is, here.
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Old 1st September 2021, 03:57 PM   #369
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But I don't think you are a Democrat.
I think it is pretty clear that I am not. Sorry if my wording was imprecise. Good catch.
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Old 1st September 2021, 04:27 PM   #370
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I said I believed he was "well on his way" to victory. I didn't jump up and down saying there was no other possibility, just that I felt that was the way the wind was blowing. This was based on the economy and his incumbent status.
Except this was false. He wasn't "well on his way." Not even close. His only advantage was his incumbency and there is little doubt that if Trump had won reelection he still would have lost the popular vote.

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You said that Covid was a great opportunity, that could have cemented his win. So, yeah, I did read what you said. I'm really not sure what the dispute is, here.
Still your comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

You said that I said, Trump essentially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory,

But I never said that. I said that Trump ensured his defeat by his response to COVID.

The difference is huge.
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Old 1st September 2021, 04:32 PM   #371
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I do however believe that COVID presented Trump an opportunity to easily win reelection.
Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post

You said that I said, Trump essentially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory,

But I never said that. I said that Trump ensured his defeat by his response to COVID.
Work it out amongst yourselves. I'm moving on.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Work it out amongst yourselves. I'm moving on.
Congrats. You're certainly taking after Trump there.

That Trump had an opportunity to win because of COVID and that he would have won if not for COVID are distinctly different.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Work it out amongst yourselves. I'm moving on.
Brave, brave sir Robin.
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Brave, brave sir Robin.
If people can't be bothered to read their own posts, much less the responses that they reference, I am not wasting my time dealing with such issues.

But, thanks for your input.
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Old 1st September 2021, 05:44 PM   #375
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
If people can't be bothered to read their own posts, much less the responses that they reference, I am not wasting my time dealing with such issues.

But, thanks for your input.
I can read my own posts. You're the one with a reading problem.

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Work it out amongst yourselves. I'm moving on.
Your cowardice is only outshined by your inability to comprehend.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
If people can't be bothered to read their own posts, much less the responses that they reference, I am not wasting my time dealing with such issues.

But, thanks for your input.
You are decidedly wrong about the interpretation. Like, ludicrously wrong.
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Old 1st September 2021, 06:13 PM   #378
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
You are decidedly wrong about the interpretation. Like, ludicrously wrong.
This is a classic example of when someone doesn't exercise due diligence prior to giving an opinion, but instead parrots another.

But, I appreciate your input. Did you answer the original question posed? I can't recall. If not, why?
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Here is another reminder, for those who are confused or drifting, of the topic:

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This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant.

I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.

My question is, to Democrats, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
I made a slight edit, in order to clarify that I am not claiming to be a Democrat. This was a point of confusion for some, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This is a classic example of when someone doesn't exercise due diligence prior to giving an opinion, but instead parrots another.

But, I appreciate your input. Did you answer the original question posed? I can't recall. If not, why?
Just because you have a reading comprehension issue don't assume that others do.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Here is another reminder, for those who are confused or drifting, of the topic:

Giving yourself a thumbsup?

If that isn't Trump like I don't know what is.

Be careful there Warp. If you patted yourself on the back any harder it might leave bruises.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant.

I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.

My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
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But I don't think you are a Democrat.
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Here is another reminder, for those who are confused or drifting, of the topic:



I made a slight edit, in order to clarify that I am not claiming to be a Democrat. This was a point of confusion for some, it seems.

Matthew Best's post was sarcasm. You know, that concept you accuse others of not getting.
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Matthew Best's post was sarcasm. You know, that concept you accuse others of not getting.
Hey, let's not jump to conclusions, here. It may not be sarcasm; it's always impossible to tell. I'm learning from my peers. Uncharted ground, for me.

I mean, even if he claims it to be sarcasm, it must be questioned.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Hey, let's not jump to conclusions, here. It may not be sarcasm; it's always impossible to tell. I'm learning from my peers. Uncharted ground, for me.

I mean, even if he claims it to be sarcasm, it must be questioned.
Not really. He never claimed it was 'funny/humorous' first.
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Not really. He never claimed it was 'funny/humorous' first.
He never claimed anything. But you somehow detected it to be sarcasm. Funny how these things work.

And, for the record, I do find sarcasm to be very humorous. But you are already well-aware of that.
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He never claimed anything. But you somehow detected it to be sarcasm. Funny how these things work.

And, for the record, I do find sarcasm to be very humorous. But you are already well-aware of that.
I inferred it from his numerous previous posts which give a damn good clue as to his intent. Just as your previous posts did and do. And that includes your penchant for using terms referring to genitalia.
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If people can't be bothered to read their own posts, much less the responses that they reference, I am not wasting my time dealing with such issues.

But, thanks for your input.
I kind of wish you hadn't wasted everyone's time with your horribly worded, and ridiculous, hypothetical to begin with. In your effort to bait others, you continue to swallow bait, as well as hook, from nearly everyone here who has given up on a meaningful discussion with you. Please, try to demonstrate a little self reflection. It might do you some good, as well as improve the discussion for all involved. Just sayin'.

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I kind of wish you hadn't wasted everyone's time with your horribly worded, and ridiculous, hypothetical to begin with. In your effort to bait others, you continue to swallow bait, as well as hook, from nearly everyone here who has given up on a meaningful discussion with you. Please, try to demonstrate a little self reflection. It might do you some good, as well as improve the discussion for all involved. Just sayin'.
That would distract from his plan of "owning the libs," wouldn't it?
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As someone who is not a conservative, I must therefore be "a lib" and need to be "pwned". As someone who is not even American, I must therefore be "a lib" and need to be "pwned". Wha...?

This is truly weird. My political views range from conservative on some subjects to fairly "socialist" on others. But I don't recall ever signing up to be "a lib" at any time as a result. Of course, being "a lib" in this country has an entirely different meaning. Namely, that you are a member of the ruling conservative party with a capital "L" Liberal. Who, by the way, are roughly the equivalent of the US Democrats in the political spectrum. And we think they're pretty stodgy block-headed conservatives!

So is there a "Lib!" magazine I get regularly? A membership card with discounts at certain liquor shops? Also, this "pwning" is like being whipped with a soggy lettuce leaf - both ineffectual and rather silly.
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You didn't get the decoder ring? How about your monthly Soros check? If you haven't, fill out form 42 CQ, along with your bank account details, pin number, social security number, mothers maiden name and 5 passport size photographs and submit it to Bill Gates NWO HQ. Someone will come to take a 3D scan of your fingerprints and a blood sample (for ritual purposes only). Only then do you get to be a bonafide Lib.
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You didn't get the decoder ring? How about your monthly Soros check? If you haven't, fill out form 42 CQ, along with your bank account details, pin number, social security number, mothers maiden name and 5 passport size photographs and submit it to Bill Gates NWO HQ. Someone will come to take a 3D scan of your fingerprints and a blood sample (for ritual purposes only). Only then do you get to be a bonafide Lib.
So I ate all those babies for nothing??!

Thanks a lot.
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So I ate all those babies for nothing??!

Thanks a lot.
Should have read the pamphlets thorughly. Now, who looks stupid.
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If people can't be bothered to read their own posts, much less the responses that they reference, I am not wasting my time dealing with such issues.

But, thanks for your input.
Your anger and frustration feed my soul.
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So I ate all those babies for nothing??!

Thanks a lot.
They're still good for you. Baby is the other white meat.
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Should have read the pamphlets thorughly. Now, who looks stupid.
Mutter mutter...

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They're still good for you. Baby is the other white meat.
But I would have used a decent peppercorn sauce.
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Old 1st September 2021, 11:29 PM   #396
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Mutter mutter...

But I would have used a decent peppercorn sauce.
You lose a lot of the health benefits when you add the heavy sauces.
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Old 1st September 2021, 11:30 PM   #397
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So, you are saying he essentially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, then. In our current Covid world, that is.

People seem to forget that he still managed to get 74 million votes, even with how he screwed the pooch with Covid. That is why I am surprised that some just scoff at the idea of his chances of victory, and don't want to directly address the scenario I proposed.
You sound just like Clownstick, " i got 74 million votes,", yes and you lost, but still remain the winner for being the smartest Windmill causes Cancer president ever - maybe he took to much hydroxy stuff. Oh, he is also the Taliban deal maker, and helped release them.

He, aka Clownstick, claims the election was rigged, so how did he really get 74 million votes. Irony!!! He was a minority president, lost by millions of votes the first time, and remains a minority president lost by many millions more the when he lost. He was and alway will be a hater and loser, as he clearly was projecting, as he called others the same hundreds of times.

Clownstick? "This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant." Not exactly, it has a Tremendous anti-stupid slant.

Clownstick said Covid would go away, even Pence repeated the lies freely... the most prolific liar in history, Clownstick... Thousands of lies, and you think he could win if not for Covid...

Think of the Millions who did not vote in 16, who showed up in 20, to defeat the dolt, misogynistic, bigot, et al...

Guess you missed the Democrats who after Clownstick lost the pop vote but was elected, missed Bush. Now that is something to energize the vote.

Covid, yes, it was a problem for Clownstick's reelection, but it is more of a rubbing his nose in his mess.

Clownstick, the insurrection leader... what a legacy, and Mexico will pay for the wall... the ladder proof, tunnel proof, saw proof, airplane proof, Wall... what dolt he was.

The 74 million votes, is Clownstick talking point, as he lies about the election, the Big Lie - why does he court the neoNazi/white nationalist vote?

lol, he was twice impeached... and his buddies had to be pardoned - Gen Flynn is a Q-Nut, Clownstick is defined as an Idiot.

Google it... https://www.google.com/search?q=idio...w=1536&bih=754

I guess Clownstick is the president for the minority, those who want to be grabbed becaue they are just that -

This post alone is an example of how immersed the post is in a Clownstick Maga psychosis. And don't forget, Mexico will pay for the wall, and Covid will be gone... and I will not play golf, I will be working... lol, what a dolt he is

Remember, he lost, but won due to a delusion he spread to the weak minded maga lemmings

The sad part of Clownstick, he lied, and a subset of his followers believe. He rebuilt the Military lie, do Clownstick lemmings look up the facts, to see the actual budget, no, and remain clueless. Why do you believe his lies...

What about Independants, the most voters be they...

It is funny, the Clownstick talking point, "managed to get 74 million votes"... Are you SF fan, they "managed to get 31 points", vs Baltimore 34 points... SF lost, but "managed to get 31 points...

people forget he lost? nope, he lost, and is a sore loser, a sore hater and loser -he loved to project, hater and loser -

Did you inject the bleach yet, and how are you protecting yourself from Windmill Cancer? Remember, he did not play golf... he did not play golf, repeat his failed promise

Someone had it right, and later joined the 'race-baiter' when he must of believed the bigots, neoNazis, and white supremist would vote GOP
Graham: Trump a 'race-baiting, xenophobic religious ...
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don't forget, wheels are older than walls, because the cult leader says so, so it goes with the catechism of Clownstick, plus "“Technology is no good without the wall,”"

Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant.

I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.

My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
You are a democrat? Your question is, as a democrat? How can you choose no covid, when we have covid? With the current anti-vaxxer maga crowd, it will be less anti-vaxxer maga crowd. Was it great, maga great, when there were two lines at DMV in Georgia in 1957?

The country is not without the virus which Clownstick said would be gone over a year ago. oops, a lie, he loves to lie, and his followers love it.

Wow, they found a lot of Witches... Clownstick Jr was too dumb to know the laws, so they did not charge him.

You sound kind of, what did you call it, "butt-hurt", as the Atlantic put it...
Quote:
Mueller has charged more than 30 people so far in his investigation into the 2016 election. That’s many more indictments than other presidential scandals have yielded in the same amount of time. Eight men have pleaded guilty. Trump’s claims of persecution ring increasingly hollow with each indictment; as David Graham wrote for this magazine last year: “If this is a witch hunt, Mueller has uncovered a whole coven.”
No covid sounds like Mexico is paying for the wall will come true.

Butt-Hurt, that is Clownstick spreading lies about the election, and sending his maga dolts to raid the Capitol. Clownstick did bribe a country to find dirt on Biden, that was weird, and his GOP lemmings let him off the hook, and the same with his sending his dolts to end democracy. Twice impeached, and guilty both times.

Why is Butt-hurt a maga talking point against others, is it projection like Clownstick does with "hater and losers"?

Critical thinking skills, striving for critical thinking skills, is not a 'tremendous liberal slant'. Maybe someone is BH Clownstick is exposed as an idiot, and it takes no effort to expose that fact.

Clownstick never got more than 46.1-46.9 percent of the vote in both elections, thus, 'managed to get 74 million BS' remains the talking point of butt-hurt maga
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Hey, now...the makers of AquaNet level 5 and No Sun Tan (Pumpkin Spice) loooooooooove Donnie!
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It would have been unpatriotic to have at your hands Trumps manifest failures in handling COVID-19 and not use them to remove him from office. From 2016 to 2020, subverting Trump, hurting Trump, was the definition of patriotism. He had to be removed from office. The ends justify the means.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This is a classic example of when someone doesn't exercise due diligence prior to giving an opinion, but instead parrots another.
No, you are painfully, obviously objectively wrong.
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