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Old 31st August 2021, 11:10 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Some resistance, yes. You always have ignorant, misinformed and just plain stupid people, but my point was that it wasn't anywhere near the pushback we're seeing over Covid. Most people complied with wearing masks:
https://www.history.com/news/1918-sp...ing-resistance

This is an excellent article on the history and causes of the anti-vax movement(s).

https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/...on-resistance/
Back there in 1918 there was a dearth of social media that prevented the idiots from learning that the country was full of imbeciles just like them. Now there is courage in numbers. “If all these other people think like me I can’t be that stupid!”. Well, yes, you can.
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Old 31st August 2021, 11:44 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
For such an unimportant position of little influence there's a lot of money, energy, angst and criming expended on hoisting the aspirant to harness. I mean, for such an ineffectual station, why not just abolish it?

The position has been blown out of proportion in the popular mentality. It’s an important position in our Federal system; but, the Prez doesn’t actually have that much power over the people themselves or the States, other than whatever respect and influence they can garner. They can’t mandate masks nationwide, for example. The States and local governments have much more power to effect changes like that. Greg Abbot, Ron DeSantis, et al, were gonna do what they did. I cannot see all those Anti-mask, anti-vaccine areas doing something different simply because there was a different President.
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Old 31st August 2021, 12:23 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
The position has been blown out of proportion in the popular mentality....
Therein lies the catch. It is that popular appeal that made him so powerful among his followers. He gave them impunity.
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Old 31st August 2021, 12:39 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
The position has been blown out of proportion in the popular mentality. It’s an important position in our Federal system; but, the Prez doesn’t actually have that much power over the people themselves or the States, other than whatever respect and influence they can garner. They can’t mandate masks nationwide, for example. The States and local governments have much more power to effect changes like that. Greg Abbot, Ron DeSantis, et al, were gonna do what they did. I cannot see all those Anti-mask, anti-vaccine areas doing something different simply because there was a different President.


"...other than whatever respect and influence they can garner."

Are you kidding me?

Are you forgetting about Federal funding, grants, incentives, and aid?

Quote:
Federal Pressure on the States
The federal government uses a number of tactics to compel states to follow its policies and guidelines. Congress can order states to comply but usually applies pressure more subtly by threatening to withhold funds from disobedient states.

Example: When the federal government decided to raise the drinking age to twenty-one, it denied certain highway funds to states that opted not to comply.
https://www.sparknotes.com/us-govern...lism/section3/


Another example was the nationwide 55 MPH speed limit. Any noncompliant state, like Nevada, was threatened with loss of federal highway funding.
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This thread turned out to be a great example of how going completely OT is apparently OK...sometimes.
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Old 31st August 2021, 01:06 PM   #246
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Again, the OP question is "how much do you really hate Trump? Would you trade another term of him for no COVID?"

Anyone answering with anything but a "**** yeah" needs to do some serious soul searching. Especially those who bobbed and weaved around the question. Your answer was heard more clearly than you think.
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Old 31st August 2021, 02:19 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This thread turned out to be a great example of how going completely OT is apparently OK...sometimes.

Nah. It’s a great example of how a discussion can drift to related topics that perhaps the OP didn’t imagine in rather limited scenario presented.
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Old 31st August 2021, 03:06 PM   #248
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Well, there’s really no use in arguing about alternative history. I think we can agree on that much.
You trying to bankrupt Harry Turtledove?
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Old 31st August 2021, 03:10 PM   #249
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THIS.THIS.THIS.

Merely Corrupt Presidents the system could handle. But what Trump did posed..and still poses a major threat to democracy itself.
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Again, the OP question is "how much do you really hate Trump? Would you trade another term of him for no COVID?"

Anyone answering with anything but a "**** yeah" needs to do some serious soul searching. Especially those who bobbed and weaved around the question. Your answer was heard more clearly than you think.
I still think that given what T**** is and was, and given the actual practicalities of controlling a world-wide pandemic, it's a worthless question on the order of what we'd do if our pigs took flight or if Rudy Giuliani turned out to be the reincarnation of Jesus.
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Old 31st August 2021, 03:30 PM   #251
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
If only context were a weapon in your arsenal.
If only context had anything to do with it. Calling female pharmacist assistants "split tails" because they weren't working to your standards isn't 'context'. It's disrespect. But you go ahead and tell us all how "context" makes it OK.
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If only context had anything to do with it. Calling female pharmacist assistants "split tails" because they weren't working to your standards isn't 'context'. It's disrespect. But you go ahead and tell us all how "context" makes it OK.
Because, once again, the obvious sarcasm flew over your head.
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Because, once again, the obvious sarcasm flew over your head.
In other words, you can't explain it. Got it.
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Old 31st August 2021, 03:47 PM   #254
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If only context had anything to do with it. Calling female pharmacist assistants "split tails" because they weren't working to your standards isn't 'context'. It's disrespect. But you go ahead and tell us all how "context" makes it OK.
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Because, once again, the obvious sarcasm flew over your head.
Still waiting for an explanation on what the 'sarcasm' was there that made it OK in that context.
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Still waiting for an explanation on what the 'sarcasm' was there that made it OK in that context.
It was amusing, within the context, if you had bothered to read. But I am not expecting miracles, here. Believe what you wish. We've been down this road before.
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Old 31st August 2021, 04:10 PM   #256
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It was amusing, within the context, if you had bothered to read. But I am not expecting miracles, here. Believe what you wish. We've been down this road before.
Then you'll have no problem explaining it, will ya? Here, I'll even post your response to the post that prompted it:

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What exactly is a “pharmacy girl”? Sounds more than a little misogynistic. Are you perhaps referring to a qualified Pharmacy clerk? or a registered Technician? or perhaps a professional Pharmacist? Which of those, in your opinion, is qualified to give a vaccine? Would you have been more tolerant of their regulations if they had been “pharmacy boys”?
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You know, now it all makes sense. I was upset with CVS corporation for this new policy, but now I realize that one of these stupid split-tails probably misread the memo.
Yep, the old Trump standby: rather than admit what you said was just plain disgustingly wrong, claim it was a joke or funny or sarcasm. What next? It was just locker room talk?
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Then you'll have no problem explaining it, will ya? Here, I'll even post your response to the post that prompted it:

Yep, the old Trump standby: rather than admit what you said was just plain disgustingly wrong, claim it was a joke or funny or sarcasm. What next? It was just locker room talk?
Thank you for posting it. It is even more funny than I recalled. And, obviously fantastically sarcastic.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Still waiting for an explanation on what the 'sarcasm' was there that made it OK in that context.
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It was amusing, within the context, if you had bothered to read. But I am not expecting miracles, here. Believe what you wish. We've been down this road before.
No it wasn't.
It was hateful sexist misogyny. Men with so little confidence in their own sexuality that they have to make demeaning comments about women.

That was its context.
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No it wasn't.
It was hateful sexist misogyny. Men with so little confidence in their own sexuality that they have to make demeaning comments about women.

That was its context.
What kind of odd simping is this?
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What kind of odd simping is this?

Using slang from the Manosphere and other misogynistic communities to combat accusations of same - it’s tropic thunder-level triple irony!
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Using slang from the Manosphere and other misogynistic communities to combat accusations of same - it’s tropic thunder-level triple irony!
"Slang"?
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People pose ridiculous value hypotheticals all the time. Would you kill Hitler or Stalin? Is it right to kill Hitler's mother to stop him from being born? That kind of thing.

OP's question should be answered "of course a second trump term. You got a point somewhere?" But instead we see a lot of argument about practicalities and implausibilities. That speaks to how close Warp is to the bone with some posters.

For my part, I like questions I don't have to think much about. Right in my wheelhouse, that.
No, it doesn't. It exposes his dishonest agenda and we saw it. It was a lousy question to begin with because, as has been stated, it's a Sophie's Choice. There is no 'good' answer. It was all about Warp being able to find what he thinks is 'evidence' that Dems are "are quite happy about their Covid windfall":

"I'll mark you down as a Democrat who would rather have 600,000 die than see Trump get a second term."

"This thread is about exposing the truth...but clearly, few Dems even understand the concept."

"It's just refreshing to know you'd rather see 600,000 dead than endure another Trump term."

There are more that expose his true agenda. He's as transparent as glass.
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No, it doesn't. It exposes his dishonest agenda and we saw it. It was a lousy question to begin with because, as has been stated, it's a Sophie's Choice. There is no 'good' answer. It was all about Warp being able to find what he thinks is 'evidence' that Dems are "are quite happy about their Covid windfall":

"I'll mark you down as a Democrat who would rather have 600,000 die than see Trump get a second term."

"This thread is about exposing the truth...but clearly, few Dems even understand the concept."

"It's just refreshing to know you'd rather see 600,000 dead than endure another Trump term."

There are more that expose his true agenda. He's as transparent as glass.
Anyone who considers this a "Sophie's Choice"... well, they probably smashed all of the mirrors in their home, long ago. 600k is just the dead in the US, after all.
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Using slang from the Manosphere and other misogynistic communities to combat accusations of same - it’s tropic thunder-level triple irony!
He's going for the Foot in Mouth Trophy as well as the Golden Shovel Award.
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Using slang from the Manosphere and other misogynistic communities to combat accusations of same - it’s tropic thunder-level triple irony!
I had to look up some of those terms. Widely used by 'Incels', I bet.
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Anyone who considers this a "Sophie's Choice"... well, they probably smashed all of the mirrors in their home, long ago. 600k is just the dead in the US, after all.
Having a Dem as POTUS but still with 600,000 Covid dead or having another four years of being 'ruled' by a malignant narcissistic, pathologically lying sociopath who cares for no one and nothing but himself and is trying to destroy our very democracy is a classic Sophie's Choice.

Anyone who doesn't see it as a Sophie's Choice has blinders on as to what kind of person Trump is and how dangerous he is. Oh...that would be you!
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I had to look up some of those terms. Widely used by 'Incels', I bet.
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I had to look up some of those terms. Widely used by 'Incels', I bet.
Most women consider "split-tail" to be a compliment, trust me. You just need to get them in the right mindset to admit it.
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Most women consider "split-tail" to be a compliment, trust me. You just need to get them in the right mindset to admit it.
I am neither a misogynist, nor an incel, so I would never use the term.
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Most women consider "split-tail" to be a compliment, trust me. You just need to get them in the right mindset to admit it.
The women you see doing that in porn are acting, hope that helps.
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"Slang"?
At what point did "simping" become standard English?

I had to look up "split-tail," never having heard the term before. If the women you know consider it a compliment, I think you're hanging with the wrong crowd.
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At what point did "simping" become standard English?

I had to look up "split-tail," never having heard the term before. If the women you know consider it a compliment, I think you're hanging with the wrong crowd.
That's about as true as Trump's claim that his "pussy grabbing" boast was just "locker room talk" considering how many women backed it up as factual.
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...it's a worthless question on the order of what we'd do if our pigs took flight or if Rudy Giuliani turned out to be the reincarnation of Jesus.
You mean he is not? I thought the black runnels were kind of stigmata-like.
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You mean he is not? I thought the black runnels were kind of stigmata-like.
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Most women consider "split-tail" to be a compliment, trust me. You just need to get them in the right mindset to admit it.
Yeah if they're a sub tied to your bed playing BDSM games maybe. But out in the world you would be fired in most places.
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I bet he's really popular with the ladies.
Agree with the eyeroll. Not any ladies I know. Any that might have thought that a popular attitude, I tended to move away from. Just saying, some attitudes are repulsive and not meant for polite company and civil discourse. Locker room talk, if it is going to happen, should be kept in the locker room.
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Again, the OP question is "how much do you really hate Trump? Would you trade another term of him for no COVID?"

Anyone answering with anything but a "**** yeah" needs to do some serious soul searching. Especially those who bobbed and weaved around the question. Your answer was heard more clearly than you think.
The question though was based on a false premise. Trump had serious negatives going into 2020. No one had to embrace COVID-19 to get rid of Trump. Trump was a weak candidate in January of 2020 already.
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Old 31st August 2021, 08:31 PM   #278
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
The question though was based on a false premise. Trump had serious negatives going into 2020. No one had to embrace COVID-19 to get rid of Trump. Trump was a weak candidate in January of 2020 already.
^^This.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
The question though was based on a false premise. Trump had serious negatives going into 2020. No one had to embrace COVID-19 to get rid of Trump. Trump was a weak candidate in January of 2020 already.
It is a hypothetical situation. If you think that polling alone, well before election day, is the determiner for election outcomes, then you didn't see what happened in 2016.

But, regardless...this was a simple question, as has been repeated here, over and over. If someone can't bring themselves to answer it, what are they even commenting on? This thread has turned into yet another thread where people simply complain about Trump, and run OT.

The primary result has been to expose even further the vitriol that some hold for Trump. It is a little dark, tbh.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
It is a hypothetical situation. If you think that polling alone, well before election day, is the determiner for election outcomes, then you didn't see what happened in 2016.

But, regardless...this was a simple question, as has been repeated here, over and over. If someone can't bring themselves to answer it, what are they even commenting on? This thread has turned into yet another thread where people simply complain about Trump, and run OT.

The primary result has been to expose even further the vitriol that some hold for Trump. It is a little dark, tbh.
so you are going to focus on the small minority instead of the overwhelming majority of posters?
seems like you already decided what the answer would be before you posted the question.
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