Roger Coghill is back. - Page 2

Psiload · 2nd November 2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Psiload
How about the Harmonizer(tm) Lemon Juice Experiment?

Rolfe · 2nd November 2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Pragmatist
Tip of the iceberg!

He's affiliated with dozens of protest and activist groups.
He acts as a "consultant" on radiation hazards (don't laugh)
He owns the bloody journal!
He sells friggin' Melatonin (allegedly - we still don't know if there's any melatonin IN the crap he sells!).

And all this is disclosed WHERE exactly?

This is just TOO much!

Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. All the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about. He's not in it to make money the way these evil vets are!

What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals.

Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway!

Rolfe.

PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours.

Psiload · 2nd November 2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. All the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about. He's not in it to make money the way these evil vets are!

What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals.

Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway!

Rolfe.

PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours.

Ohhh... now I get it. By "conflict of interest" they mean that which conflicts with Roger's interests. It all makes sense now.

Pragmatist · 2nd November 2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. Al;l the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about.

What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals.

Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway!

Rolfe.

PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours.

Yep, you're right!

As for the lemon experiment etc., though, I think we can do MUCH better than that....!

Zombified · 2nd November 2004, 12:00 PM

What's the lemon juice thing? Not all caught up...

Psiload · 2nd November 2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Zombified
What's the lemon juice thing? Not all caught up...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ght=harmoniser

Prester John was good enough to test one of the silly devices that Roger was hawking.

Shock horror!

It failed miserably.

Mojo · 16th November 2011, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Psiload

http://www.gainex.co.uk/index.htm

Gainex Magnetic Fuel Economiser

* Save up to 20% on your fuel costs

* Boosts engine performance

* Environmentally kind by lowering harmful exhaust emissions

* Cleans existing carbon deposits on your engine

Be sure to check out the Scientific Tests:

http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/gainextest.htm

And just how does Roger go about testing a device which is claimed to increase fuel efficiency in automobiles? By installing it in an automobile perhaps(tools are not even required for installation)?

Of course not...

By hooking it up to a Bunsen burner, using methane as fuel, and comparing it against A COMPETITOR'S MAGNETIC FUEL-SAVING GIZMO!!!

You've got to marvel at the kind of convoluted, fantastic, bizarro-world logic that Roger applies to testing such a simple, straight forward claim.

ASA adjudication on Gainex

Quote:

Gainex said it was not their policy to respond to complaints made by anonymous complainants. They said they had data to support their claims but were unwilling to provide it. They suggested that the ASA or the complainant purchase the product and carry out their own testing. They pointed out that they had only ever received one complaint from a customer about their product.

Complaints upheld.

Rolfe · 17th November 2011, 09:07 AM

I heard some little time ago that Rogen is now no longer connected with the Institute (now Society) of Biology. I don't know the details.

I also note that most of the internal links on his home page are now dead. The links to selling his silly books and magnets are live, but the whole site looks a bit of a cobweb.

Rolfe.

The Don · 17th November 2011, 10:13 AM

I think A Coghill thread was one of the first ones I properly engaged in.

I'm feeling all nostalgic now.

Darat · 17th November 2011, 10:23 AM

I saw the "Roger Coghill is back." in the new posts screen and thought he had just returned - damn you Mojo.

Good news on the Gainex stuff, it really does seem as this change with the ASA will have a positive effect.

X · 17th November 2011, 10:40 AM

Who what now? As long as you're resurrecting the thread, want to fill us in? The links to the other thread are dead.

Mojo · 18th November 2011, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by X

Who what now? As long as you're resurrecting the thread, want to fill us in? The links to the other thread are dead.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=22595

The start of that thread has some posts missing because of some sort of forum glitch. They can be found in this older version: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=21875

See also: http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=554

ETA: he also showed up in the comments to these:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...s.mobilephones
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...l/05/pollution
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...edicalresearch

steenkh · 18th November 2011, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I saw the "Roger Coghill is back." in the new posts screen and thought he had just returned - damn you Mojo.

Same here!

I guess that since we are all attracted to this subject, we are missing the entertainment that he provided.

EHocking · 18th November 2011, 06:30 AM

I know I had fun!

Darat · 18th November 2011, 06:32 AM

We'd all probably be banned these days if he did come back!

2nd November 2004, 11:45 AM	#41
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,102	Quote: Originally posted by Psiload How about the Harmonizer(tm) Lemon Juice Experiment?
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2nd November 2004, 11:49 AM	#42
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Quote: Originally posted by Pragmatist Tip of the iceberg! He's affiliated with dozens of protest and activist groups. He acts as a "consultant" on radiation hazards (don't laugh) He owns the bloody journal! He sells friggin' Melatonin (allegedly - we still don't know if there's any melatonin IN the crap he sells!). And all this is disclosed WHERE exactly? This is just TOO much! Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. All the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about. He's not in it to make money the way these evil vets are! What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals. Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway! Rolfe. PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours.
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2nd November 2004, 11:55 AM	#43
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,102	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. All the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about. He's not in it to make money the way these evil vets are! What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals. Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway! Rolfe. PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours. Ohhh... now I get it. By "conflict of interest" they mean that which conflicts with Roger's interests. It all makes sense now.
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2nd November 2004, 12:06 PM	#46
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,102	Quote: Originally posted by Zombified What's the lemon juice thing? Not all caught up... http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ght=harmoniser Prester John was good enough to test one of the silly devices that Roger was hawking. Shock horror! It failed miserably.
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16th November 2011, 01:52 AM	#47
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,633	Originally Posted by Psiload http://www.gainex.co.uk/index.htm Gainex Magnetic Fuel Economiser * Save up to 20% on your fuel costs * Boosts engine performance * Environmentally kind by lowering harmful exhaust emissions * Cleans existing carbon deposits on your engine Be sure to check out the Scientific Tests: http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/gainextest.htm And just how does Roger go about testing a device which is claimed to increase fuel efficiency in automobiles? By installing it in an automobile perhaps(tools are not even required for installation)? Of course not... By hooking it up to a Bunsen burner, using methane as fuel, and comparing it against A COMPETITOR'S MAGNETIC FUEL-SAVING GIZMO!!! You've got to marvel at the kind of convoluted, fantastic, bizarro-world logic that Roger applies to testing such a simple, straight forward claim. ASA adjudication on Gainex Quote: Gainex said it was not their policy to respond to complaints made by anonymous complainants. They said they had data to support their claims but were unwilling to provide it. They suggested that the ASA or the complainant purchase the product and carry out their own testing. They pointed out that they had only ever received one complaint from a customer about their product. Complaints upheld.
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2nd November 2004, 11:56 AM	#44
Pragmatist Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,529	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe Pragmatist, sweetheart, you just aren't getting it. Al;l the stuff about disclosure of interests isn't meant to apply to Roger - or even his best mates. I mean, we know Roger (thinks he) should be given credit for trying to do something to identify possible protective devices to combat these terrible risks! None of that is conflict of interest, none of that is what the instructions to authors is talking about. What that is about is people who have ever worked for a power company, or a mobile phone company or any company or institution which has any links at all with power companies or mobile phone companies. Or anyone with any connection at all to the sale of pharmaceuticals, which even seems to extend to acting in an advisory capacity to those who prescribe pharmaceuticals. Which of course elegantly eliminates anyone who might know anything at all about the subjects on the card, from a non-woo perspective. As if anyone like that would want to publish there anyway! Rolfe. PS. OK, having just seen the last two posts, I grant you the Harmoniser[TM] lemon-juice experiment and similar endeavours. Yep, you're right! As for the lemon experiment etc., though, I think we can do MUCH better than that....!

2nd November 2004, 12:00 PM	#45
Zombified Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,366	What's the lemon juice thing? Not all caught up...

17th November 2011, 09:07 AM	#48
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	I heard some little time ago that Rogen is now no longer connected with the Institute (now Society) of Biology. I don't know the details. I also note that most of the internal links on his home page are now dead. The links to selling his silly books and magnets are live, but the whole site looks a bit of a cobweb. Rolfe.
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17th November 2011, 10:13 AM	#49
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,976	I think A Coghill thread was one of the first ones I properly engaged in. I'm feeling all nostalgic now.

17th November 2011, 10:23 AM	#50
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,168	I saw the "Roger Coghill is back." in the new posts screen and thought he had just returned - damn you Mojo. Good news on the Gainex stuff, it really does seem as this change with the ASA will have a positive effect.
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17th November 2011, 10:40 AM	#51
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18th November 2011, 01:52 AM	#52
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,633	Originally Posted by X Who what now? As long as you're resurrecting the thread, want to fill us in? The links to the other thread are dead. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=22595 The start of that thread has some posts missing because of some sort of forum glitch. They can be found in this older version: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=21875 See also: http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=554 ETA: he also showed up in the comments to these: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...s.mobilephones http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...l/05/pollution http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...edicalresearch
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18th November 2011, 02:37 AM	#53
steenkh Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,019	Originally Posted by Darat I saw the "Roger Coghill is back." in the new posts screen and thought he had just returned - damn you Mojo. Same here! I guess that since we are all attracted to this subject, we are missing the entertainment that he provided.
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18th November 2011, 06:30 AM	#54
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18th November 2011, 06:32 AM	#55
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