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Old 16th February 2018, 12:07 PM   #361
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I tend to be anti-homeschooling principally because it is a way for right wingers to keep their kids from learning facts and therefore live a life of nonstop right wing propaganda.
This is why I am not concerned if it gets ended as a right in the US!!!!!!!
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Old 17th February 2018, 02:59 PM   #362
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Cars stolen from Turpin parents who are accused of abusing their 13 children

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While David and Louise Turpin sit in jail awaiting life in prison if convicted of abusing their 13 children, two different suspects took a ride in the family’s vehicles this week...
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...dren/345386002


'House of Horrors' Adult Children Are Learning to Play Guitar, Including Tom Petty and John Denver

Originally Posted by People Magazine
In the month since being rescued by California authorities from the “House of Horrors” they’d been living in, the seven adult Turpin siblings have made great strides in their ongoing recovery — and some are even learning to play guitar, a hospital official tells PEOPLE...

At this point, some of the Turpin siblings can play John Denver and Tom Petty songs on the donated acoustic guitars, according to Uffer. The siblings have even engaged in a sing-along...
http://people.com/crime/house-of-hor...ty-john-denver


Turpin abuse case prompts state bill to tighten regulation of home schools

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Times
California lawmakers are pushing to increase regulation of home schools after a dozen siblings were discovered locked in a dirty, dark house in Riverside County. The house in Perris had been registered as a private school — with the cheery name of Sandcastle Day School...

...The only way to guess which private schools actually are home schools is to look for those with very small numbers of students. No one in the state Department of Education, county or local school district has any legal responsibility to check on the conditions of these home schools or assess the students' academic performance. And while private schools are required to get annual fire inspections, this regulation has never been broadly applied to home schools...
http://www.latimes.com/local/educati...216-story.html
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Other news: About $500,000 cash has been raised for the children through various fundraising efforts.

Next court hearing for the parents is February 23.
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Old 20th February 2018, 06:41 PM   #364
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This article may be worth reading in regards to the kids' stature.
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Originally Posted by CNN
Today, prosecutors and defense lawyers are expected to discuss, among other things, discovery and a date for a preliminary hearing. In addition, an amended complaint is to be filed...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/tu...ase/index.html


Originally Posted by CBS News
If it does go to trial, the Riverside County district attorney reportedly says the siblings would testify...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califor...-louise-turpin
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Old 23rd February 2018, 11:54 AM   #366
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It's like something right out of 'Special Victims Unit'
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Here's a new claim...

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Some of the victims had never had shoes -- "things we take for granted," Corona Mayor Karen Spiegel said, recounting how when one boy was given his first shoes, they were too tight, but he wouldn't relinquish them until a bigger pair arrived because he was scared he would never get shoes back.

Hmmm. They are all wearing shoes in Las Vegas and at Disneyland.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-...ry?id=53301808
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Old 23rd February 2018, 05:04 PM   #368
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Despite the aunt's suggestion that the family's decline may have started in the last 10 years...

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A sister wonders if booze and gambling wrecked the mother.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...id-life-crisis

... the eldest daughter showed possible signs of neglect *20+ years ago*:

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At least one of them attended regular school back when they lived in Texas...
Turpin daughter was bullied for being the 'cootie kid.' Now one classmate feels overwhelming guilt
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...ilt/1061590001

I have experience as the parent of a "cootie kid." My son has mental health issues. He's now in his 20's and, for him, attending to his personal hygiene is about as appealing as swallowing razor blades. But when he was young, he regularly bathed, brushed his teeth, and wore clean clothes because, as his parents, we ensured he did even though he fought with us about it literally every single day. My son's hygiene didn't start to become a problem until his mid-teens when he (and his threats of violence) grew large enough that we had to start being more selective about which hills we were willing to die on each day--and how much emotional impact those battles were having on our other kids.

The daughter in this case was about 8. At that age, and with a child who is high-functioning enough to attend school, hygiene is the parents' responsibility. Despite any suggestion by the (apparently oblivious) extended family, the evidence shows that the abuse/neglect wasn't recent. It's seems likely that it's been going on for >20 years.
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I read an article weeks ago saying that one of the daughters could drive.
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Turpin parents re-charged with torture, face new abuse charges, plead not guilty again

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Prosecutors re-filed charges against a pair of Perris parents who are accused of torturing their 13 children through years of starvation and abuse on Friday, then both suspects re-entered not guilty pleas to all charges.

However, the new filing did not dramatically change the stakes against the Turpins, who are still facing life in prison for multiple counts of torture and other felonies, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Riverside County District Attorney’s Office.

Hall said prosecutors have added three counts of felony child abuse against both suspects and one new account of assault against Louise Turpin.

The Turpin case is now scheduled for a preliminary hearing – which should reveal new details about the case – on May 14. However, defense attorneys said they were skeptical they would be prepared to proceed on that date, considering the large amount of evidence in the case.

Other court records revealed some small progression in the Turpin prosecution.

First, subpoenaed documents, which are not public, have been turned over to the court from at least two sources – Mt. San Jacinto College, where the Turpin’s oldest son attended some classes, and Kaiser Permanente, which appears to have kept medical records on the Turpin siblings.

Second, Louise Turpin’s attorney, Jeff Moore, filed a sealed motion earlier this week, but the contents are unknown. During the hearing on Friday, The Press-Enterprise newspaper delivered a letter to the judge, arguing there was no justification for sealing the motion in a public prosecution...

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...ring/367441002
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Originally Posted by New York Daily News
The parents-from-hell appeared in a Riverside, Calif., courtroom and pleaded not guilty to three new charges of child abuse each.

Louise Turpin, 49, also was charged with one felony count of assault.

Prosecutors allege Louise assaulted one of the couple's daughters on or after Jan. 15, 2015, by a means "likely to produce great bodily injury." The Turpins were ordered back to court March 23 and have a preliminary hearing set for May 14.

The same daughter — identified only as Jor T. in the new complaint — was listed in prior court paperwork as the victim of a lewd act allegedly committed by David Turpin, 56, between November 2012 and November 2013, when the girl was younger than 14.

In court, David's defense lawyer David Macher expressed concern he might not be ready by mid-May to cross-examine the witnesses called by prosecutors for the preliminary hearing.

Prosecutors then told the judge they planned to conduct the hearing under Proposition 115, meaning they would focus on testimony from investigators, not the kids.

“It streamlines the process, where you don’t have to bring victims in to testify. It’s primarily law enforcement who testify,” Hall told the Daily News...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3837517
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Turpin home has become a tourist attraction six weeks after their children were rescued

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Kimberly Milligan lives across the street from a crime scene that's gained notoriety around the world, and not a week goes by without lookie-loos pulling over to snap photos and peek through the windows of the Perris home where 13 malnourished siblings were found imprisoned by their parents.

If they aren't traipsing across the lawn to take selfies, they're hanging out by a front doorstep shrine, where people have left notes, balloons and flowers for the home's former occupants, the Turpin family.

On one occasion, Milligan said, someone even asked her to take a photo of them standing in front of the now vacant home on Muir Woods Road as they tried to strike a serious pose.

The constant stream of visitors has plagued the community since David and Louise Turpin were arrested on multiple torture and abuse charges on January 14...
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...cued/374545002
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Daughter was posting videos on YouTube...

Teen Who Escaped Turpin Home Posted Videos Under Alias

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Video shows a first look inside the Turpin family home in Perris, revealed by the 17-year-old daughter who escaped and alerted police about the harsh living conditions.

The teen found a way to post a series of videos on YouTube, singing what seems to be her own songs and describing life at home.

"You blame me for everything, you blame me in every way, you blame me for what they say, what they say," the song goes.

The 17-year-old apparently posted several videos under an alias. Her most recent post was just seven days before police say she broke free and sent authorities to the Perris home where her siblings were being held.

She also posted video of two family dogs, in what appears to be her bedroom...
http://abc7.com/teen-who-escaped-tur...-alias/3181135
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An Instagram account belonging to the girl was also found, featuring mainly selfies and pictures of pop star Justin Bieber.

Now we learn she was doing Instagram and her YouTube clips were posted "frequently". This is really quite different than the narrative given in the media from the investigators. The social connection (via Internet) and technical capability is unexpected after reading the descriptions in the press.

http://www.newsweek.com/glimpse-hous...e-found-833698
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How the teen maintained a social media presence remains unclear, given that her parents had seemingly cut her and her siblings off from society completely.

"Seemingly". Yes, that's because investigators have been painting an incomplete and highly biased picture. Was this Instagram and YouTube posting girl one of the ones who didn't know what a policeman is?

https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...alias/23378607
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The social connection (via Internet) and technical capability is unexpected after reading the descriptions in the press.
It isn't if they were surreptitious. The same inactive phone she used to call police, plus neighbor's wifi, solves this alleged problem. Evidently the videos are all of her, don't show any of the other people in this house, and DO show in some cases the squalor state of her room.

The children's gross malnourishment has already been verified by a third party (the hospital where they had to be treated), so there's no evidence suggesting that really anything the authorities have announced so far regarding the case has been exaggerated.
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It isn't if they were surreptitious. The same inactive phone she used to call police, plus neighbor's wifi, solves this alleged problem. Evidently the videos are all of her, don't show any of the other people in this house, and DO show in some cases the squalor state of her room.
I'm unfamiliar with any reports about her using a neighbor's wifi. Are you imagining or speculating that? I don't understand why she couldn't be using an Internet connection within the house, such as their own house wifi or cellular connection. She could be doing her videos with a laptop or tablet or desktop. Whatever it is, she is experienced with using YouTube and Instagram and that whole realm as well as the electronic devices themselves. She's into Justin Bieber. She might spend lots of time surfing around the web. Her siblings might do the same.

You mention squalor, but I just see a pile of clothes which is totally typical in the bedroom of a teenage girl. It's possible that those are not her clothes.

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The children's gross malnourishment has already been verified by a third party (the hospital where they had to be treated), so there's no evidence suggesting that really anything the authorities have announced so far regarding the case has been exaggerated.
Of course you already know that I disagree about the misrepresentation and exaggeration found in the press articles which seem to have come from investigators.

Some of the children didn't know what a police officer is? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

Some of the children had never owned a pair of shoes? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

The children were forced to sleep during the daytime and were awake all night? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

It just goes on and on like that.
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A California couple's children have forgiven them for years of torture and starvation as the parents were sentenced to life in prison.

David and Louise Turpin's children told a court they still love their mother and father despite all the abuse.

They are expected to serve the rest of their lives behind bars, unless granted parole in 25 years.
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Of course you already know that I disagree about the misrepresentation and exaggeration found in the press articles which seem to have come from investigators.

Some of the children didn't know what a police officer is? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

Some of the children had never owned a pair of shoes? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

The children were forced to sleep during the daytime and were awake all night? Tell us more about that because I have skepticism.

It just goes on and on like that.

The parents have now been convicted of numerous charges and sentenced to life in prison. Do you now wanna claim that this is a miscarriage of justice?
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A Perris couple who for years tortured, abused and imprisoned their children, starving them and at times chaining them to their beds, were sentenced Friday to 25 years to life in prison.

“I cannot describe in words what we went through growing up. Sometimes I still have nightmares of things that have happened,” one of the victims told the court before the sentencing. “But that is the past and this is now. I love my parents and have forgiven them for a lot of the things that they did to us.”

David and Louise Turpin, who are the parents of 13 children, each pleaded guilty to 14 felony charges in February, including one count of torture, four of false imprisonment, six of cruelty to adult dependents and three of willful child cruelty.
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An 11-year-old girl said that Louise Turpin would often punch them with a closed fist and hit her with an open hand, Riverside County Deputy Sheriff Daniel Brown testified. The girl said that sometimes, her mother pulled her hair so forcefully it would lift her off the ground, Brown said.

The girl said she was "always hungry," he further testified. The children were fed jalapeno baloney sandwiches while the parents ate Jersey Mike's, pizza and fries, he said. The girl said Louise Turpin would buy apple juice but the children weren't allowed to drink it. She kept pie in the fridge or pantry until it became moldy and then threw it away.

A doctor who treated the family said the 11-year-old girl was in the worst condition when the examined her, Patrick Morris, Supervising Investigator for Riverside County District Attorney, testified.

She had a body weight percentile of .01 and her mid arm circumference was equal to that of a 4.5-month-old baby, Morris testified. The doctor said she had psychosocial dwarfism, stunted growth due to living in an environment that is abusive or neglected.

The 15-year-old boy had difficulty walking, vitamin D deficiency, and visible scoliosis. He told the doctor that he wanted to kill animals and could predict the future, Morris testified.
The BBC article glosses over a lot of the specifics but it's helpful to refresh one's memory of what these parents actually did to their kids.
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David and Louise Turpin's children told a court they still love their mother and father despite all the abuse.

That is what's so awful about the abuse of children like this: Since they're 100% dependent of their parents and always were, they can't allow themselves to even think of them as abusive. It's like the Stockholm syndrome, only worse, since they never really had the experience of a normal, safe environment to compare their present condition with:

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In the case of victims of the Stockholm syndrome, the condition is only temporary. In the case of parental abuse, it seems to be universal.
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I'm waiting for the conspiracy theory that they're really secretly childless Europeans.
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Is anyone aware of what the parents background is? Were they ever - normal? I also wonder about how they were raised. History can repeat itself.
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I'm waiting for the conspiracy theory that they're really secretly childless Europeans.

On the contrary! They seem to live up to all expectations:

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Is anyone aware of what the parents background is? Were they ever - normal? I also wonder about how they were raised. History can repeat itself.

Wiki has this:

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The couple are adherents of the Quiverfull movement and Pentecostalism. According to David's parents, the couple kept having children because "God called on them" to do so.
According to Louise's sister Elizabeth Flores, she, Louise, and their cousin Patricia were sexually abused as children by their grandfather. Another sister of Louise Turpin, Teresa Robinette, claimed that their mother let a rich pedophile sexually abuse them as children in exchange for cash. A new book by Elizabeth Flores detailed how the accused child abuser was obsessed with witchcraft, Satanic rituals and Ouija boards. Flores said her sister was obsessed with the "dark arts" and had even tried to persuade her to join a snake handling festival.
Turpin case: Perpetrators (Wikipedia)
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Is anyone aware of what the parents background is? Were they ever - normal?
If I remember right, the first few children were being raised normally initially - going to local schools and seeing doctors. Then something changed.

The parents belong to the Quiverfull movement and used some tricks known in that movement - such as registering a "private school" that only their own children attended, which was not subject to state scrutiny.

But the Turpins also diverged markedly from typical Quiverfull families. For instance, although taking care to strip it of anything they would consider "liberal bias", Quiverfull parents do actually educate their children. They network with other homeschooling parents and organizations, engage in "extra-cirricular" activities in the homeschooling community, and their children have to do "schoolwork". Whereas according to the Turpin children, David and Louise never made even a cursory attempt at providing education. Also, normal Quiverfull parents while highly oppressive in terms of micromanaging the social lives of their children (particularly girls), do not utterly forbid them from ever leaving the house or making friends.

Most importantly, typical Quiverfull parents don't starve their children as a matter of course. According to the kids, the Turpin couple bought plenty of food for themselves and regularly had takeout fast food and pizza; they just forbid the children from ever being able to eat any of it. There's something of deliberate torture in that situation, in my opinion.
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Thank you, Checkmite. I am curious about what the parents upbringing as children. Curious what type of parents the Turpin's had growing up, and what the family environment and dynamics were like. I can't imagine two people meeting and growing sick together, but two already sick people uniting make more sense to me.
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Wiki has this:

Funny, I thought snake handling was a Christian sect thing. The abuse seems possible particularly given how she grew up, but I do wonder if Satanism=Different Flavour of Christianity.
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Funny, I thought snake handling was a Christian sect thing. The abuse seems possible particularly given how she grew up, but I do wonder if Satanism=Different Flavour of Christianity.
Satanism is a confusing bug. In my experience, there seems to be three distinct kinds.

The first kind is first and foremost a theatrical LARP, based on horror tropes and Christian urban legends, almost entirely tongue-in-cheek and was created and is perpetuated mostly just to troll anxious Christians. This is LaVey's and the "Church of Satan"'s type of satanism and it seems to me to be the majority of self-professed "Satanists".

The second kind is a kind of vaguely-defined neo-paganism that claims inspiration from Milton's "Paradise Lost" and purports to worship Satan as a generic symbol of rebellion against orthodoxy. These people seem to represent the smallest group of self-described Satanists, although they seem to really want to project ownership of the title; that is, they would rather everyone treat them as the default definition of "Satanism", in much the same way that Wiccans assert themselves as the default definition of "witch".

The third kind is the only kind that really bares watching. It consists mostly of isolated individuals or miniature "cults" who have independently decided they want to be "satanists" and build a unique practice just for themselves. They seem to design their bespoke religions around Christian ideas of "what satanists should be like", or what is "dark" or most "evil" and in this way they are much like the first group, with the exception that they're serious about it - either they're delusional and believe they're actually in contact with Satan, or otherwise are willing to entertain that Satan is real and will reward proper worship. I think there are less of these than the first group mentioned above, but I tend to think there are more of them than the second group. This kind can be harmless edgy high schoolers, but they can also be dangerous; whenever you hear about a "satanic" murder (that actually happened) it is one of these individuals or mini-cults that is responsible.
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Funny, I thought snake handling was a Christian sect thing. The abuse seems possible particularly given how she grew up, but I do wonder if Satanism=Different Flavour of Christianity.

Well, snakes are the most obvious symbol of Satan in the Bible, starting with Genesis. No Christianity, no Satanism, I guess.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/jordan-tur...ry?id=81178117

Jordan, the 17-year-old who made the initial 911 call, and her sister Jennnifer have been interviewed by Diane Sawyer and those in the US will be able to watch this tomorrow. Story - and audio of the 911 call - at the link above.

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Jordan Turpin placed the call shortly after making a decision that would change her family’s lives forever.

The 17-year-old said her hands were shaking uncontrollably as she made the brave decision to dial 911 in 2018. She said it was one of the few times she had been outside in that California neighborhood.

“I was actually on the road,” Turpin, now 21, said in an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Diane Sawyer, “because I didn’t even know about the sidewalks. You’re supposed to be on the sidewalk, but I’d never been out there.”
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It's funny that there were people actively arguing that the police made up this entire story and that these two parents were the only actual victims.

Also loved it when the children's profoundly stunted growth was actually perfectly normal and the doctors at the hospital who said otherwise were part of the conspiracy against these unfortunate parents.
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The ABC 20/20 special, with bodycam video of the police entering the home for the first time, is heartbreaking. What's especially chilling is that some of the kids were placed in foster care where they were abused again, kids who were too old for foster care have ended up homeless and hungry, and the state public guardian in charge of their care won't let them access the hundreds of thousands of dollars donated to help them.
https://abc.com/shows/2020/episode-g...-special-event

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The ABC 20/20 special, with bodycam video of the police entering the home for the first time, is heartbreaking. What's especially chilling is that some of the kids were placed in foster care where they were abused again, kids who were too old for foster care have ended up homeless and hungry, and the state public guardian in charge of their care won't let them access the hundreds of thousands of dollars donated to help them.
https://abc.com/shows/2020/episode-g...-special-event
Can you post something not behind a paywall?
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Can you post something not behind a paywall?
It's not behind a paywall in the U.S. Do you know how to use a VPN to change your (apparent) location?

The show is broken into short segments on YouTube. I dunno if they're accessible outside the U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ouse+of+horror

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