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Old 20th January 2018, 07:40 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I'm curious if he had a different sleep cycle to attend day classes. Like was he the only one sleeping at night?
I think the most likely explanation is that the reversed sleep cycles were not an all the time thing, and that it was more normal at the time the kid was taking the community college class.
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Old 20th January 2018, 08:59 PM   #202
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I'd missed this before; but the chief executive of the hospital where the adult children are being treated has confirmed the on-scene officers' impressions of their apparent ages:

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Uffer confirms the adult children look much younger than their actual ages: “That is a sobering experience for all of us, when you see a 29-year-old that looks like they are 12 or 13 or 14.”

He says their underdevelopment is more than likely a direct result of years of malnutrition.

“I have been a hospital administrator for a long time and I have been in healthcare since 1973 … I have never seen this,” Uffer says. “I can share with you that I have spent a fair amount of time with these kids … we call them kids but they are adults. It is heartbreaking to see this. It really hits home.”
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:18 PM   #203
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6503450840.jpg

This photo was taken around 2 years ago as you can see the new baby in the mother's arms. I can't see severe malnutrition anywhere in the photo. It must have happened since this photo.

It looks like the oldest children are at the back and getting younger towards the front. The three girls at the front are obviously the youngest. Everyone is slender, or thin or skinny. The older girls have obvious breasts and are not "flat-chested". Many arms are visible and though slender don't appear bony. A lifetime of malnutrition often causes the hair to look bad, but their hair looks good if not great.

12-year-old has the weight of an average 7-year-old. This child is probably somewhere in the second row.

29-year-old daughter weighs 82 pounds. This girl (woman) is probably in the back row.
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:40 PM   #204
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You're probably right; it's becoming clear that the police, the district attorney, and now the doctors who are treating the so-called "victims" at the hospital where they have been admitted for inpatient treatment are all conspiring to push the lie that they are malnourished and underdeveloped for their ages.
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:47 PM   #205
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Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:52 PM   #206
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I saw one photo where the faces hadn't been blurred and the malnutrition was more apparent in their facial structure.
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:55 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo.
According to the hospital, they are underdeveloped. The doctors there have presumably seen more of their actual bodies than their lower arms, which are the only body parts that appear to be exposed in those photos. Also, they're doctors.
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:00 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by deadrose View Post
I saw one photo where the faces hadn't been blurred and the malnutrition was more apparent in their facial structure.
Indeed, and even in the photo William Parcher just linked with the blurred faces, their necks are so sunken and desiccated-looking the girls almost appear to have Adam's apples.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.
I agree
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.
You can't possibly form a rational assessment without knowing their ages. Are those girls in the front row 10? 13? 19? 23? You can't know what's underdevelopment without knowing what would be normal development. Why do you insist on minimizing what police, prosecutors, doctors and hospital officials have announced?
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
You can't possibly form a rational assessment without knowing their ages. Are those girls in the front row 10? 13? 19? 23? You can't know what's underdevelopment without knowing what would be normal development. Why do you insist on minimizing what police, prosecutors, doctors and hospital officials have announced?
For me personally the skin is too good. So is the hair. Not looking that thin.

And that severe malnurishment tends to cause bloating in the lower bodies.

Also if it was seriously enough to make them look 15 years younger it would have to be over 10 years at least. Their organs would be screwed.

No expert though

Probably wrong
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.

I don't believe you're qualified to make that diagnosis.
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:58 PM   #213
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For me personally the skin is too good. So is the hair. Not looking that thin.

And that severe malnurishment tends to cause bloating in the lower bodies.
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That would be African famine-level starvation. If they were getting enough food every day to keep them from dying, that still doesn't mean they weren't horribly deprived and abused.
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There seems to be some confusion about being malnourished and starving to death. A person can be malnourished but being given food the body can't convert it to anything useful. It's not a good idea to judge a purely physical condition from looking at a pic.
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There seems to be some confusion about being malnourished and starving to death. A person can be malnourished but being given food the body can't convert it to anything useful. It's not a good idea to judge a purely physical condition from looking at a pic.
Yeah. But they supposedly look 8-15 years younger than they are.

Which i find hard to see being just malnourished

Unless it's from day one
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Yeah. But they supposedly look 8-15 years younger than they are.

Which i find hard to see being just malnourished

Unless it's from day one
Thanks.

And yet, there's WP saying that they look 18 years old, but joke's on him, the girl is actually 29 yrs old!!

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Thanks.

And yet, there's WP saying that they look 18 years old, but joke's on him, the girl is actually 29 yrs old!!

Your vote is tabulated.
Was going by the earlier quote


"Uffer confirms the adult children look much younger than their actual ages: “That is a sobering experience for all of us, when you see a 29-year-old that looks like they are 12 or 13 or 14.”"
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Was going by the earlier quote


"Uffer confirms the adult children look much younger than their actual ages: “That is a sobering experience for all of us, when you see a 29-year-old that looks like they are 12 or 13 or 14.”"
And?
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It's obviously all a fiendishly cunning plan to take your guns away.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6503450840.jpg

This photo was taken around 2 years ago as you can see the new baby in the mother's arms. I can't see severe malnutrition anywhere in the photo. It must have happened since this photo.

It looks like the oldest children are at the back and getting younger towards the front. The three girls at the front are obviously the youngest. Everyone is slender, or thin or skinny. The older girls have obvious breasts and are not "flat-chested". Many arms are visible and though slender don't appear bony. A lifetime of malnutrition often causes the hair to look bad, but their hair looks good if not great.

12-year-old has the weight of an average 7-year-old. This child is probably somewhere in the second row.

29-year-old daughter weighs 82 pounds. This girl (woman) is probably in the back row.
Taken two years ago? That means the youngest of the rest must be 10 in that photo: there's a t0-years age gap between the toddler and the rest of the kids. That also means you should see breast development on all save perhaps the youngest two daughters.

Does that help?

(I don´t remember where I read that, sorry).
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Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.

Please edify us. How could someone at 29 years of age look 14 if their malnourishment caused underdevelopment started in the last 2 years?
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Please edify us. How could someone at 29 years of age look 14 if their malnourishment caused underdevelopment started in the last 2 years?
I'm still wondering how "underdevelopment" can be observed in one photo.

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Underdevelopment doesn't seem to be seen in the photo. Severe malnourishment must have occurred since the photo was taken. That's what I'm saying.
These parents were pretty good at staging photos that make everything seem normal and happy.
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These parents were pretty good at staging photos that make everything seem normal and happy.
For a given value of 'normal'...
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For a given value of 'normal'...
Indeed. I have two teens of my own and they would kick seven shades out of me were I to attempt such a stunt. And they would be right.
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These parents were pretty good at staging photos that make everything seem normal and happy.
The "Thing #" t shirts were cringe worthy even without the back story. That was just creepy.
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The "Thing #" t shirts were cringe worthy even without the back story. That was just creepy.
Those shirts are sold in gift shops at Universal Studios. It's common in and near the park to see groups of kids and adults wearing them, including the sequential numbers.
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The "Thing #" t shirts were cringe worthy even without the back story. That was just creepy.
Apparently it's a Dr Seuss reference?

https://www.amazon.com/Thing-THING-T.../dp/B01D82TZQG
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Apparently it's a Dr Seuss reference?

https://www.amazon.com/Thing-THING-T.../dp/B01D82TZQG
Lol

Ahhh

I thought it was a reference to "Thing" out of the Adams Family!
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Please edify us. How could someone at 29 years of age look 14 if their malnourishment caused underdevelopment started in the last 2 years?
Exactly

There is a difference between growth being stunted from a certain age and someone regenerating to 15 odd years their age over two years

We don't live in an episode of Dr Who
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Apparently it's a Dr Seuss reference?

https://www.amazon.com/Thing-THING-T.../dp/B01D82TZQG
You've never read The Cat in the Hat?
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Those shirts are sold in gift shops at Universal Studios. It's common in and near the park to see groups of kids and adults wearing them, including the sequential numbers.
Shoot, I think we even have Thing 1 and Thing 2. I've seen Thing 3 here and there, but "Thing 13" is pretty cringeworthy, yes.

ETA. At that point, they should be doing Little Cat A - M, instead. And the littlest one should have Little Cat N in her hat
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Apparently it's a Dr Seuss reference?

https://www.amazon.com/Thing-THING-T.../dp/B01D82TZQG
It's still cringe worthy.
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It's still cringe worthy.
Everything people do, that isn't strictly how I would do it, makes me cringe. So what?
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You've never read The Cat in the Hat?
More than once, but it's been long ago enough that I don't remember all the details.
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That was my point. Hurting children crosses political denominations.
How do you figure.

I could easily see a conservative jury letting them off since they would figure they aren't doing anything they don't do to their own kids when they mouth off and bring liberal lies (like climate change existing) into their home.
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How do you figure.

I could easily see a conservative jury letting them off since they would figure they aren't doing anything they don't do to their own kids when they mouth off and bring liberal lies (like climate change existing) into their home.
Lol

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I'm guessing religion plays a big part in this.

Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I'm guessing mental health issues are more likely.

It's not like there is a difference. Anyone who has been brainwashed into a creator cult or that believes in magical sky faeries has mental health issues.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Perhaps on these occasions the parents saved any earned "discipline" for after the family got back home.
They wouldn't need to do that, just keep the bruises to covered areas and it would be all good.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Who will pay for their medical bills?
The kids, child services, the adults of course are on their own.
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