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Old 3rd November 2020, 10:32 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Alan Swinney fails to have his bail reduced, prosecutors argue that his history of violence and his social media posts indicate that he is unlikely to follow court orders and is likely to engage in further political violence.



Proud Boys never even publicly talk about this guy anymore it seems. Fascists are ruthless, even to their own. Swinney put his life on the line for the fascist movement and they just threw him away. So much for solidarity among comrades.

Hope he's enjoying his time in the clink while his friends have forgotten about him.

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/p...ail-reduction/

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Old 14th November 2020, 01:56 AM   #162
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White supremacist sentenced to 2 years in bomb plot case

A white supremacist who told an undercover FBI agent about his plans to firebomb a synagogue or attack a Las Vegas bar catering to LGBTQ customers was sentenced Friday to two years in prison.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...814_story.html

Only two years for threatening a bomb attack?
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Bail denied for Qanon believing, MAGA gunmen who drove to PA with rifles to "stop the steal" during the right wing reaction to Trump's loss.

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The case of Joshua Macias and Antonio LaMotta, two armed Virginia men who drove to Philadelphia on Nov. 5 to “straighten out the vote," should be treated as a “mass shooting that was narrowly averted,” District Attorney Larry Krasner wrote to the court in a letter filed Monday.
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A Jefferson County man who threatened to kill employees of YouTube, Google and Twitter, as well as Democrats and others, was caught with child porn and a child-size sex doll when the FBI raided his house, charging documents say...


“No more talk. Just shoot to kill. Anywhere and everywhere. I am a staunch vehement conservative libertarian and I have absolutely had enough of government thugs and government bureaucrats,” he wrote Oct. 4.
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Bail denied for Qanon believing, MAGA gunmen who drove to PA with rifles to "stop the steal" during the right wing reaction to Trump's loss.



https://www.inquirer.com/news/philad...-20201116.html

Fortunately the dumb-***** they have had deal with so far have been stupid enough to blab about what they were going to do. What worries me is that sooner or later, some of these Trump-inspired whack-jobs is going to wise up, and stay quiet about their intentions, and a lot of people are going to die.
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Also, has anyone else noticed that many of these gun-loving wannabe soldier whackadoodles are often right into the kiddie porn?
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Neo-Nazi troll John Rivello ordered in civil suit to pay $100,000 to journalist he hospitalized through sending a strobing gif on social media that intentionally caused a seizure. The comment “You deserve a seizure for your post." was included with the image that did induce a seizure. A screenshot of the journalist's biography, which lists his epilepsy and history of seizures, was found on Rivello's cloud account.

Rivello is expected to plead guilty in Texas to a charge of aggravated assault with a hate crime modifier, but the case is delayed by Covid-19. Rivello attempted, and failed, to commit suicide in response to his criminal indictment.

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Fortunately the dumb-***** they have had deal with so far have been stupid enough to blab about what they were going to do. What worries me is that sooner or later, some of these Trump-inspired whack-jobs is going to wise up, and stay quiet about their intentions, and a lot of people are going to die.
Yes, well, intelligence was these guys' dump stat in the first place.

1. I mean, for a start unlike islamophobia, the anti-LGBTQ guys can't even present some coherent way that the LGBTQ folks are even harming anyone else.

I mean, I'm not defending the former either, but at least the islamophobes can say exactly what they're affraid of. As in, what exactly would the muslims do to him. You know, "OMG, bombs, sharia law, bla, bla, bla." Whether it's right or wrong, if you believe it, it's at least a coherent premise for wanting to stop them.

Meanwhile, the LGBTQ folks are going to... err... what? Dress funny and possibly go to bed with each other? It's not exactly affecting anyone else the same way a bomb would, is it now?

What I'm getting at is that these guys seem to me like basically they're doing it for attention in the first place. As in, to show that they're totally and radically about "us-vs-them" to their own "us" group. They too are totally not down with this queer stuff.

So that one would talk about it to everyone who listens to him, including any undercover cop who pretends to also be in the "us" group, that's kinda expected, innit? The whole point is to show that he's totally adhering to the group's values. If he didn't want people to know he's hating the LGBTQ that much, there's no real reason he'd want to bomb the bar in the first place.

2. Heh. So basically to show that he's totally not down with the gays, he was going to commit an act of terrorism, for which even in the best case scenario, he'd get sent for a very long time to a place where he'd probably get it up the ass more than an eastern-european pornstar on Legalporno. I'm not sure that'd get him much respect in the homophobe community after all, would it?

So yeah, intelligence doesn't seem to be too excessively involved in the first place
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Also, has anyone else noticed that many of these gun-loving wannabe soldier whackadoodles are often right into the kiddie porn?
Yeah one of the boogaloo morons they captured in Vegas had a whole bunch on his phone too. Predictable.
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Yes, well, intelligence was these guys' dump stat in the first place.

1. I mean, for a start unlike islamophobia, the anti-LGBTQ guys can't even present some coherent way that the LGBTQ folks are even harming anyone else.

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The 'reasoning' is tied heavily to 'protecting women, children, and morals'. In their view lgbtq acceptance, or even existence, causes varying degrees of direct harms and are enormous threats to more.

They think gay men rape children. That normalizing any LGBTQ existence normalizes pedophilia. That traditional gender roles tied directly to biological sex are the only way to maintain healthy families, and healthy families are the only way to have a strong country. They think that bisexuals and pansexual destroy relationships and tempt everyone to sin. They think that trans folk allow women to be raped and terrorized. They think that not having children will make 'white people' noncompetitive, and that the LGBTQ community reduces births (yes, while bizarrely not wanting them to adopt because, again, they're all rapists).

In short, if they don't have enough control, everything will go/has gone to hell.

No, it isn't smart, it isn't correct, but it can be semi-coherent. And parts of it can be widely accepted, embraced even, by otherwise intelligent people.
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You'd think we already have laws against paedophilia or generally rape, and some 10% or so gay minority isn't nearly enough to get that changed any time soon, even if they all put their mind to it.

The only way to make that even remotely plausible, and that goes for the family arguments too, is basically if the implied premise is that if it's ok to bang other dudes, everyone will go, "woohoo, now that it's allowed, let's all do just that." Or like Stewie from family guy put it, "You hear that Meg? Guys can marry other guys now. So, umm. This is awkward, but... I mean, if they can do that... that's pretty much it for you, isn't it? I mean you might as well pack it in, game over."

I.e., pretty much that the only thing that keeps men marrying women, or generally being interested at all in women, is that the alternative is forbidden.

Which strikes me more as saying something about the guy proposing that premise than about society or the 'LGBTQ agenda' or anything, really. I mean, you'd think for most people at some point they'll see some sexy young member of the opposite sex and get plenty of proof that they do get attracted to such, and it's not because some law forces them to
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That said, the argument about the sanctity of the family or destroying the family or such strikes me as daft in any case.

I mean, currently, let's look at the sanctity of the family as it currently stands:

- almost TWO THIRDS of Americans under 35 never married... yep, family is still sacred then.
- but when you do, getting a prize wife for no other attraction or reason that she's a gold digger, and he wants her as some Veblen good to show off... yeah, that's apparently still all sacred and crap
- then divorce her anyway and get a younger one, still for no reason than as a trophy... yep, that's still good traditional family
- then cheat on her anyway with the secretary... yep, still traditional family, then
- domestic violence and conjugal rape on the rise again... yep, now THAT's traditional family
- child abuse being rampant, especially among Xian fundamentalists, some of which think and are being even told in church that you HAVE to beat the crap out of even your toddler, because Psalms said so... yep, traditional family all right
Etc.

So, yeah, all THAT is still sacred and stuff. But if a guys blows another guy, OMG, THAT is what finally does it in
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That said, the argument about the sanctity of the family or destroying the family or such strikes me as daft in any case.

I mean, currently, let's look at the sanctity of the family as it currently stands:

- almost TWO THIRDS of Americans under 35 never married... yep, family is still sacred then.
- but when you do, getting a prize wife for no other attraction or reason that she's a gold digger, and he wants her as some Veblen good to show off... yeah, that's apparently still all sacred and crap
- then divorce her anyway and get a younger one, still for no reason than as a trophy... yep, that's still good traditional family
- then cheat on her anyway with the secretary... yep, still traditional family, then
- domestic violence and conjugal rape on the rise again... yep, now THAT's traditional family
- child abuse being rampant, especially among Xian fundamentalists, some of which think and are being even told in church that you HAVE to beat the crap out of even your toddler, because Psalms said so... yep, traditional family all right
Etc.

So, yeah, all THAT is still sacred and stuff. But if a guys blows another guy, OMG, THAT is what finally does it in

Oh it certainly ignores many, MANY, factual problems. But they find comfort in being able to blame 'the other', and believing that their own child rapists aren't as bad/were caused by the other/were the other all along.

In addition, you have to understand the unspoken premises of their 'traditional family' worldview. Marriage isn't a mutually beneficial partnership between people in love; it is a business transaction between a man and woman's father for him to gain a sex object and baby maker that in turn gets some very specific protections. When you understand that they think of marriage like this, man and sex object, you can almost see where they think any loosening of the 'rules' around the contract would allow things like child marriage and bestiality and the like. Those specific protections women gain often involve being able to enforce standards themselves against children and other women, so again broadening of the 'rules' over what women can do/wear/date means they have also lost a relative measure of control. Why, if they don't have the control over how real women look, act, and dress, it might be a man in the locker room, and their contract specified that as one specific man's sex object, she wouldn't have to deal with that. Doesn't matter that it's another woman who just doesn't like dresses and makeup. Close enough. Or a trans woman. Or a trans man who hasn't transitioned all the way yet. Or a lesbian. Contract said sexual exclusivity, even if the interaction isn't actually, you know, sexual. The women get policed and controlled by men, but the women also get to police and control other women and the children.

It is similar with gay men being around. Men are peers, and the 'traditional family' has no concept of dealing with potential sexual partners who are equals. This is why so many ask, 'who is the guy?' about homosexual relationships. This is why they are terrified of being hit on (even if they are extremely undesirable in the first place).

And again, the rationalize this by claiming all the bad things that happen are because of loss of this control or lax application of it. Even the bad things from the most insular of communities. They think their, quite moronic, rules and worldview offers protection.
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The 'reasoning' is tied heavily to 'protecting women, children, and morals'. In their view lgbtq acceptance, or even existence, causes varying degrees of direct harms and are enormous threats to more.

They think gay men rape children. That normalizing any LGBTQ existence normalizes pedophilia. That traditional gender roles tied directly to biological sex are the only way to maintain healthy families, and healthy families are the only way to have a strong country. They think that bisexuals and pansexual destroy relationships and tempt everyone to sin. They think that trans folk allow women to be raped and terrorized. They think that not having children will make 'white people' noncompetitive, and that the LGBTQ community reduces births (yes, while bizarrely not wanting them to adopt because, again, they're all rapists).

In short, if they don't have enough control, everything will go/has gone to hell.

No, it isn't smart, it isn't correct, but it can be semi-coherent. And parts of it can be widely accepted, embraced even, by otherwise intelligent people.
One of the arguments I have heard is that straight people should stay away from homosexuals because they might catch gayness from them - yes, you read that correctly folks - they think homosexuality is a communicable disease.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up......but they do!
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One of the arguments I have heard is that straight people should stay away from homosexuals because they might catch gayness from them - yes, you read that correctly folks - they think homosexuality is a communicable disease.



Seriously, you can't make this stuff up......but they do!
I have seen this in the scripts for old US movies with AIDS, but never just with gayness.
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Oh it certainly ignores many, MANY, factual problems.
Which doesn't entirely go against my impression that for most of these guys, intelligence was the dump stat. (In RPGs, the stat you don't put any points on, take points away from, or otherwise put your lowest score in. See, Charisma in Fallout New Vegas.)

Well, maybe my initial phrasing of it being coherent or not... it was maybe not a good way of putting it. But, you get the idea. It seems to me like at the point where one has got to ignore many many ways that their delusion doesn't match reality... yeah, it's just that: delusional.

So, yeah, as I was saying, I wouldn't expect most of these to start acting especially rationally any time soon.

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In addition, you have to understand the unspoken premises of their 'traditional family' worldview. Marriage isn't a mutually beneficial partnership between people in love; it is a business transaction between a man and woman's father for him to gain a sex object and baby maker that in turn gets some very specific protections. When you understand that they think of marriage like this, man and sex object, you can almost see where they think any loosening of the 'rules' around the contract would allow things like child marriage and bestiality and the like. Those specific protections women gain often involve being able to enforce standards themselves against children and other women, so again broadening of the 'rules' over what women can do/wear/date means they have also lost a relative measure of control. Why, if they don't have the control over how real women look, act, and dress, it might be a man in the locker room, and their contract specified that as one specific man's sex object, she wouldn't have to deal with that. Doesn't matter that it's another woman who just doesn't like dresses and makeup. Close enough. Or a trans woman. Or a trans man who hasn't transitioned all the way yet. Or a lesbian. Contract said sexual exclusivity, even if the interaction isn't actually, you know, sexual. The women get policed and controlled by men, but the women also get to police and control other women and the children.
To some extent, yes, I can understand when people pine for a long gone age where their "us" group had all the privileges, while the "them" group should be happy if they find someone to benevolently own them. Sometimes they exaggerate it well past what was historically the case, into just a power fantasy, but still, I can understand why someone would want more privileges at the expense of someone else.

What kinda dumbfounds me, though, is when I see women going all out homophobic and in defense of traditional marriage. And they exist. They may or may not be as prevalent as the guys, but they're out there.
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I have seen this in the scripts for old US movies with AIDS, but never just with gayness.
It's not something that I usually hear spoken out loud, but it's certainly out there. The homophobic comments I heard a lot of when I was a churchgoer in the late 80s/early 90s definitely had an undercurrent of concern about catching the gay. As a result this comment surprises me not at all.
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A San Antonio man has been arrested over a campaign of violent threats against a church spanning several months, which the church just recently reported to police, evidently when the warnings became more dire and frequent.

Highlights include threating to light the church's priests on fire after Pope Francis congratulated Joe Biden for his projected presidential win (it is an Episcopal church), and this nugget, after the church sent him a letter banning him from the premises:

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A head shot would be merciful. If he keeps at it, what he'll get is a shot all over his lower back, when his cellmate is done
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It's not something that I usually hear spoken out loud, but it's certainly out there. The homophobic comments I heard a lot of when I was a churchgoer in the late 80s/early 90s definitely had an undercurrent of concern about catching the gay. As a result this comment surprises me not at all.
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There are elements of society who not only believe that homosexuality is contagious, but that it is a mental disorder that can be "cured" with therapy. I am ashamed to find that this ******** quackery even exists in my own town...

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Old 28th November 2020, 10:58 AM   #182
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Maybe someone ought to tell them that if they start feeling attracted to known gay people of the same sex, it's not really a sign that it's contagious. It's a sign of something, all right. Just not contagion
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Old 30th November 2020, 01:26 PM   #183
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The Unite the Right lawsuit drags on.

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⁩’s Charlottesville suit granted our plaintiffs’ motion for sanctions—including adverse inferences—against neo-Nazi Elliott Kline (aka Eli Mosley).

This is a BIG deal. The court will instruct the jury to treat these as established facts:
(Twitter links to screenshot of court document listing adverse inferences)

https://twitter.com/amyspitalnick/st...02995405938689

The adverse inferences are devastating to Kline's case. The court has ordered that it be inferred that Kline was a member and leader of white supremacist organizations and conspired with others to initiate racially motivated violence, and did so at the UTR rally.

It's the whole ballgame pretty much. It's hard to see how the case against him can fail with such instructions to the jury.

These adverse inferences are being made as sanctions against Kline who has dragged out the case by refusing to turn over evidence, such as laptops, phones, and social media accounts, that would undoubtedly show that this fascist was indeed a fascist. It has been widely speculated that Kline's devices would reveal that he was coordinating with other fascists for the purposes of committing violence, and perhaps this lawsuit would reveal the identities and involvement of many more currently unknown participants.

Kline has already been jailed for contempt of court for refusing to comply with the discovery process.

Kline is just one of many fascists and racists named in the lawsuit filed by vctims seeking damages for violence done at the rally.
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Well well, what do we have here? It looks like the crackhead stickman got a visit from the FBI - something about the Proud Boys being a gang. I assume it's because their founder Gavin McGinnis called them a gang and said they were violent, along with their violent gang initiation rituals.
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Old 5th December 2020, 04:51 AM   #185
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Well well, what do we have here? It looks like the crackhead stickman got a visit from the FBI - something about the Proud Boys being a gang. I assume it's because their founder Gavin McGinnis called them a gang and said they were violent, along with their violent gang initiation rituals.
Bloody pseudoskeptics - just because it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck and DNA analysis confirms it is a duck doesn't mean it is a duck!
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Old 8th December 2020, 01:20 PM   #186
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Bakersfield, CA CHUDs charged months after the fact for violent attack on pro-Biden/BLM demonstrators.

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Kevin Connell (28): Conspiracy, robbery, civil rights violations, possession/use of tear gas with a prior felony and challenging to fight in public.
Kristi Stewart (42): Conspiracy, civil rights violation, assault and challenging to fight.
Timothy Stevens (30): Conspiracy, civil rights violation and challenging to fight.
Dustin Marion (34): Conspiracy, civil rights violation, challenging to fight and stalking.
https://www.kget.com/news/crime-watc...ght-on-camera/
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Old 24th December 2020, 04:28 AM   #187
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Nice early Christmas present:

Neo-Nazi propagandist jailed for encouraging terror attacks

ETA: And this one shows what sick bastards they are:

Neo-Nazi who planned terror attacks given new jail sentence for child sex offences
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Old 4th January 2021, 08:40 PM   #188
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Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio has been arrested for vandalism and firearms violations in DC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boys-arrested
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Old 5th January 2021, 06:16 AM   #189
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio has been arrested for vandalism and firearms violations in DC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boys-arrested
Talk about an unforced error with the magazine violation.

He had to have known there was some legal exposure for his vandalism to the churches, especially after he publicly admitted he committed the crime. Surely he knew there was at least some chance that the cops might actually arrest him.

Carrying around felony contraband is a great way to upgrade your misdemeanor arrest.

It's worth pointing out that these fascist groups routinely violate the law in plain view of the police and don't suffer any consequences, including violating local gun laws with regularity when they travel to more restrictive localities. It's only after massive public backlash that the cops ever bother to look into these issues.
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Speaking of Pappas.

Seems he is currently in custody with a handful of felony assault against a police officer charges, armed trespass, burglary, and riot.

Not seeing any reporting about this, but this information is available through public jail records.

Almost certainly related to his participation in the fascist rally that tried to break into the state house. The fash peppersprayed and otherwise attacked police that were blocking entry.

I would guess he's out of action for the foreseeable future. Pappas forgot that the cops might let you commit crimes against unarmed protestors, but they certainly won't tolerate violence against their own.

FAFO, rot in jail fascist.

https://twitter.com/chudhunters503/s...36927478292481
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Old 5th January 2021, 12:23 PM   #191
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio has been arrested for vandalism and firearms violations in DC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boys-arrested
Tarrio on pretrial release, ordered to stay outside DC except for court matters. Order was based on his statements on social media where he claimed he intended to vandalize more BLM signs in the city.

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/...39419373875201
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio has been arrested for vandalism and firearms violations in DC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boys-arrested
Harmless

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Tarrio on pretrial release, ordered to stay outside DC except for court matters. Order was based on his statements on social media where he claimed he intended to vandalize more BLM signs in the city.

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/...39419373875201
Mostly harmless

Just ask... well, you know who to ask, don't you?

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Talk about an unforced error with the magazine violation.

He had to have known there was some legal exposure for his vandalism to the churches, especially after he publicly admitted he committed the crime. Surely he knew there was at least some chance that the cops might actually arrest him.

Carrying around felony contraband is a great way to upgrade your misdemeanor arrest.
Not surprising.

These people aren't exactly top 5% in Mensa!
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Old 27th January 2021, 07:44 AM   #193
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Exclusive: Proud Boys leader was ‘prolific’ informer for law enforcement
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN29W1PE

Proud Boy leader is a police informant.

You hate to see it.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN29W1PE

Proud Boy leader is a police informant.

You hate to see it.
The Proud Boys, "an amorphous and often violent leftist movement"?

Am I missing something here?
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The Proud Boys, "an amorphous and often violent leftist movement"?

Am I missing something here?
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they believe to be Antifa, short for “anti-fascism,” an amorphous and often violent leftist movement.
Talking about antifa here.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Talking about antifa here.
Gotcha, read it too fast.
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Quote:
Militiaman Who Plotted to Kidnap Gretchen Whitmer Pleads Guilty, Turns on His Pals
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ty-gar...ns-on-his-pals

Man pleads guilty to the conspiracy to kidnap charge and is cooperating in the prosecution against other members of the plot.

No honor among CHUDs.
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Social Media Influencer Charged with Election Interference Stemming from Voter Disinformation Campaign
Defendant Unlawfully Used Social Media to Deprive Individuals of Their Right to Vote



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As alleged in the complaint, between September 2016 and November 2016, in the lead up to the Nov. 8, 2016, U.S. Presidential Election, Mackey conspired with others to use social media platforms, including Twitter, to disseminate fraudulent messages designed to encourage supporters of one of the presidential candidates (the “Candidate”) to “vote” via text message or social media, a legally invalid method of voting.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/socia...ation-campaign

MAGA troll charged with voting interference conspiracy after he tried to fraudulently instruct mostly black voters that they could vote via text message.
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A California man has been arrested; authorities found multiple functional pipe bombs as well as firearms, some of them automatic. He evidently on numerous occasions discussed plans to kill California's Democratic governor and attack the offices of Facebook and Twitter as part of a campaign he imagined would "ensure Trump remained in office".
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN29W1PE

Proud Boy leader is a police informant.

You hate to see it.

So was he conveniently arrested before the Capitol riot and thus given an excuse for not participating in the actual insurrection?

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Washington police arrested Tarrio in early January when he arrived in the city two days before the Capitol Hill riot. He was charged with possessing two high-capacity rifle magazines, and burning a Black Lives Matter banner during a December demonstration by supporters of former President Donald Trump. The D.C. Superior Court ordered him to leave the city pending a court date in June.
Though Tarrio did not take part in the Capitol insurrection, at least five Proud Boys members have been charged in the riot. The FBI previously said Tarrio’s earlier arrest was an effort to preempt the events of January 6.
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