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Old 1st July 2021, 12:04 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
It surprises me that the cops still seem unaware that lots of people carry video cameras with a direct link to the internet these days.

They still seem to think they can make stuff up when they know it will be filmed and that people will swallow it.
It's not that, it's more to do with the fact that they are, whether we like it or not, unassailable and don't give a **** who see's what. Their backs are covered.
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Old 1st July 2021, 12:05 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
It's not that, it's more to do with the fact that they are, whether we like it or not, unassailable and don't give a **** who see's what. Their backs are covered.
That's a better answer than mine.
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Old 1st July 2021, 12:47 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
It's not that, it's more to do with the fact that they are, whether we like it or not, unassailable and don't give a **** who see's what. Their backs are covered.
And the worst part is that we are the ones covering their backs, each time a different shiny tweet distracts us. Just wait it out and it blows over. Which is why it's so important to back the protesters and upset the table once in a while.
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Old 1st July 2021, 09:37 PM   #364
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Or they don't care. The Chauvin conviction was an exception to the normal course of events. Cops not even being charged, much less convicted. No matter how stark or compelling the evidence against them may be.
It's probably worth pointing out again that the only reason Chauvin's crime wasn't swept under the rug is because of the massive media coverage and mass protests.
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
It's probably worth pointing out again that the only reason Chauvin's crime wasn't swept under the rug is because of the massive media coverage and mass protests.

True.

Sad ... but true.
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Old 2nd July 2021, 02:19 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Twitter thread links are weird. It should be the last video in the thread that corresponds with the PPB version of events.



https://twitter.com/gravemorgan/stat...13568299130880

The video shows a protestor approach the riot line and yell at a cop and point their finger. The cops apparently doesn't like being talked to this way, takes a couple swats at the person's pointed finger, then starts charging with his nightstick. All the fellow riot cops charge in and start spraying pepperspray everywhere. If any cop was sprayed, it was friendly fire.

The video is unambiguous in showing that the cops initiated the violence, but you wouldn't get that impression from how the police describe events.
Is it not this video?

https://twitter.com/running_50/statu...99689783435264
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Old 2nd July 2021, 04:42 AM   #367
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Yes it is, thanks
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Old 2nd July 2021, 05:43 AM   #368
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Well this should be a slam dunk then.

Caught on another officers body cam having failed to initiate his, found to have falsified a report, city mayor has announced the city has begun the termination process, it's an open and shut case........wait what's that?

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So it seems some US police are trying to enlist YouTube to stop their misconduct being made public:

US officer plays Taylor Swift song to try to stop video

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Last year, Nick Simmons and Adam Holland of Harvard University's Lumen project, which studies copyright content removal, noted that a number of videos linked to Black Lives Matter protests had been removed because they contained copyrighted music.

The researchers suggested that "law enforcement", or anyone else who wanted to stop videos being shared, "need only make sure that copyrighted audio is present with sufficiently recognisable clarity and volume in the background of a protest or other event".

The pair called it: "A chilling prospect indeed."
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Old 2nd July 2021, 08:37 PM   #370
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Ohio police chief forced to resign over KKK "prank" on black officer

Anthony Campo, the chief of police for the city of Sheffield Lake, Ohio, was effectively fired by the mayor after a complaint by the police union on behalf of the black officer who was targeted by the "joke", who is not named in any the reports.

Security video shows Campo printing out the sign in his office, and then bringing it out to the black officer's desk while that officer is out of the room. Campo takes the officer's yellow rain slicker which is laying folded on the desk, and carefully arranges the slicker's hood to be pointed - like a Klan hood - before covering up the POLICE label on the slicker with his printed sign, which read "Ku Klux Klan". He then goes back into the office. The video does not appear to show anybody witnessing Campo's actions directly. The black officer is seen soon afterwards returning to his desk and noticing the sign. There is no audio, but the officer seems to be immediately asking who was responsible as everyone appears to deny knowledge, including Campo.

According to the mayor, Campo was indignant at being dismissed (he was allowed to retire on the spot rather than be fired) and has insisted to news reporters that it was "just a joke" and it shouldn't have been that big of a deal.
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Old 3rd July 2021, 01:57 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Ohio police chief forced to resign over KKK "prank" on black officer

Anthony Campo, the chief of police for the city of Sheffield Lake, Ohio, was effectively fired by the mayor after a complaint by the police union on behalf of the black officer who was targeted by the "joke", who is not named in any the reports.

Security video shows Campo printing out the sign in his office, and then bringing it out to the black officer's desk while that officer is out of the room. Campo takes the officer's yellow rain slicker which is laying folded on the desk, and carefully arranges the slicker's hood to be pointed - like a Klan hood - before covering up the POLICE label on the slicker with his printed sign, which read "Ku Klux Klan". He then goes back into the office. The video does not appear to show anybody witnessing Campo's actions directly. The black officer is seen soon afterwards returning to his desk and noticing the sign. There is no audio, but the officer seems to be immediately asking who was responsible as everyone appears to deny knowledge, including Campo.

According to the mayor, Campo was indignant at being dismissed (he was allowed to retire on the spot rather than be fired) and has insisted to news reporters that it was "just a joke" and it shouldn't have been that big of a deal.
I came here to post that.

Because obviously it's just harmless banter for the boss to do that to a subordinate.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I came here to post that.

Because obviously it's just harmless banter for the boss to do that to a subordinate.
What really cements it as a classic goof is denying it when the...fun recipient...asks who did it.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I came here to post that.

Because obviously it's just harmless banter for the boss to do that to a subordinate.
Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
What really cements it as a classic goof is denying it when the...fun recipient...asks who did it.
I've heard OF this kind of situation before a couple of times, where black police officers are seemingly subjected to racist "jokes" and statements from white officers. It's almost as if white cops who are racist have a perception or expectation that black colleagues, by virtue of being cops themselves and occasionally interacting with black suspects, must "get it" (i.e., understand the "truth" about black people) and ought to have no problem with casual racism.

But I can't say I know how prevalent this sort of thing is. It's not uncommon to hear about white cops being dismissed for racist actions and statements but those actions usually aren't directed toward black colleagues.
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Speaking of termination, the cop that killed Hunter Brittain has been fired. Apparently he didn't activate his body cam until after the shooting, which is a bit of a no-no.

So far no charges, though.
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Speaking of termination, the cop that killed Hunter Brittain has been fired. Apparently he didn't activate his body cam until after the shooting, which is a bit of a no-no.

So far no charges, though.
Don't worry. He'll find a job in the next precinct over.
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What the cops say happened:

A crowd has formed at the officer involved shooting scene. Some participants have thrown objects and tried to enter the closed area. An officer’s baton was grabbed by someone and when another officer intervened, the officer was sprayed with a chemical.

https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/s...03481962655744

Video of what actually happened.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1408313568299130880
Technically, the police version is true. A crowd had formed. Some participants did throw objects (after the police started advancing). An Officer's baton was grabbed by someone (the Officer), the Officer was sprayed with a chemical (by another officer). It is only the impression that they wish to leave that is false. The individual sentences are quite true.
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Technically, the police version is true. A crowd had formed. Some participants did throw objects (after the police started advancing). An Officer's baton was grabbed by someone (the Officer), the Officer was sprayed with a chemical (by another officer). It is only the impression that they wish to leave that is false. The individual sentences are quite true.
In this Tweet: https://twitter.com/gravemorgan/stat...299130880?s=20 the police officer assaults a member of the public who at the worst could have been haranguing a police officer and then the police act like a mob.

Who on earth has trained these police?
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Who on earth has trained these police?
Other police.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
In this Tweet: https://twitter.com/gravemorgan/stat...299130880?s=20 the police officer assaults a member of the public who at the worst could have been haranguing a police officer and then the police act like a mob.

Who on earth has trained these police?
In some cases, the IDF, which are probably among the world's most effective abusers of human rights and masters of using brutality to pacify social unrest.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom...olator-israel/
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
In this Tweet: https://twitter.com/gravemorgan/stat...299130880?s=20 the police officer assaults a member of the public who at the worst could have been haranguing a police officer and then the police act like a mob.

Who on earth has trained these police?
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Other police.
Americans. They are trained exactly the way the majority of Americans want them to be trained. To use violence as the prime means of dealing with a problem.
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Americans. They are trained exactly the way the majority of Americans want them to be trained. To use violence as the prime means of dealing with a problem enforcing obedience
This is probabaly more accurate. All to often police use violence where there is no problem that needs solving. The real issue is that police are being trained to demand obedience from the population they are supposed to be serving.
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Federal prison guards colluded with white supremacist inmates to brutalize anti-racist prisoner, cited the beatings in disciplinary action for "fighting", and have held him in solitary confinement for over 1000 days.

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That day in 2018, in prison in Kentucky, the guards warned King that the white supremacists wanted to gravely harm him. They asked him if he felt safe. King chose the answer that he believed would come with fewest repercussions. “Yes, I feel safe,” he said, according to the lawsuit.

“At that point,” the lawsuit claims, the correctional officers told King “he could leave, but directed him to exit through a different door than the one through which he entered.” King walked through the door. “[H]e realized that, rather than being in a hallway or a public space on his way back to his cell, he had entered into an enclosed, locked outdoor area. Inside this room was a prisoner known to be a member of the aforementioned gang.”

The white supremacist — who dwarfed the 5-foot-7, slightly built King — attacked the anti-fascist. The guards did nothing to intervene. King had, he felt, been trapped by correctional officers colluding with white supremacist gang members. Following the reported assault, King received a disciplinary citation for fighting.

King claims the incident was a part of an ongoing pattern of harassment and violence that he has endured in recent years at the hands of the Bureau of Prisons. The Civil Liberties Defense Center, a legal nonprofit organization, filed the civil suit on his behalf, alleging that his “constitutional rights have been continually violated since 2018 in retaliation for his political and anti-racist actions while incarcerated.”
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This is probabaly more accurate. All to often police use violence where there is no problem that needs solving. The real issue is that police are being trained to demand obedience from the population they are supposed to be serving.
When applied to cops alone I have no problem with your change. However IMO the population of the USA as a whole tends to accept violence as the prime method of dealing with many problems. The acceptance of violence by cops is just one manifestation of that.
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Federal prison guards colluded with white supremacist inmates to brutalize anti-racist prisoner, cited the beatings in disciplinary action for "fighting", and have held him in solitary confinement for over 1000 days.
I think we need to rename the thread "The behaviour of US."
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I think we need to rename the thread "The behaviour of US."
Indeed.

ETA: and a very timely article was just published on CNN -

"July 4th weekend shootings: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend."

And the really shocking part? :

this was "a 26% drop from last year's holiday weekend, according to the latest data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive."
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Minneapolis police killed an uninvolved man when they crashed into his car during a high speed pursuit. The man was the uncle of the girl who filmed the murder of George Floyd.

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The Minnesota State Patrol is now investigating a crash involving a Minneapolis police squad car, where an innocent man was killed.

It happened around 12:30 a.m. Tuesday at the intersection of 41st Avenue North and Lyndale Avenue. Police say the officer was chasing after a carjacking and robbery suspect at the time. The person police were chasing got away, and a man driving a different car was killed.

Family members tell WCCO that the victim is Leneal Frazier, a father of five who was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who recorded the video of George Floyd’s death that was seen around the world.
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Mod WarningBunch of posts moved to AAH for being off-topic. Didn't seem enough substance to start a new thread but if folk want to repost the derailing posts in a thread in which they will be on topic feel free to do so.
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Off-duty, out of uniform cop chases down car full of teenagers, brandishes gun, shoots one, chases some more, and makes no attempt to arrest them nor provide any aid to the driver he shot.



https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/...oots-teenager/

Officer remains on leave and has not been charged with any crime, nor have any of the three teens been charged with any crime that might explain why this maniac chased them down and opened fire.
Officer charged with multiple felonies for opening fire on car full of teenagers.

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According to a state police report filed Thursday in Kent County Superior Court, Dolan told detectives he got off work around 7:40 p.m. Wednesday and drove to a liquor store, where he purchased a six-pack of beer, opened one and “took a sip from the bottle” before continuing to drive home on I-95 South.
off duty cop got liquored up and started chasing a random vehicle and tried to murder the passengers for no clear reason.

https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news...est-greenwich/
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One of the discussions we're going to have have some version of sooner or later is the idea of LEO's being LEO's all the time; basically still being cops and/or in the cop mindset after their duties are over.

Basically what degree of power/responsibility/authority an off duty police officer should have is a question we're going to have to put on the table in some form sooner or later.
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One of the discussions we're going to have have some version of sooner or later is the idea of LEO's being LEO's all the time; basically still being cops and/or in the cop mindset after their duties are over.

Basically what degree of power/responsibility/authority an off duty police officer should have is a question we're going to have to put on the table in some form sooner or later.
We hit that pretty hard on Guyger. If a cop has police powers when off-duty (virtually everywhere), they can't pretend they have not been rigorously trained in proper responses when convenient for them. You can't claim selective amnesia about the treatment of a suspect when it's your personal Miller Time.
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Yeah but with Guyger it was more a more of a defense, the whole "she reacted X because she was a cop" thing. Her being an off duty cop had nothing to do with her being in the situation. She didn't walk up to the wrong door because she was a cop. It's related and there's overlap, but not exactly what I'm talking about.

We keep having cases of off-duty (or even retired in rarer cases) LEOs still going into situations intentionally and defaulting to "Cop" and these cases don't always go well and I question whether that's a good idea.

Maybe it's better if you do your patrol, you hang up your uniform, you leave your badge and sidearm in your locker at the police station and when you step out the door you're the same JoeAverageCitizen as you, me, or any other Tom, Dick, or Harry. No more or no less responsibility/power/authority. You see something you can call 911 like any of us.
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Ok, I'd agree with that in the abstract. Probably right up until someone with trained police powers was needed in an emergency, perhaps to save a life.

Maybe a halfway measure could be made, where off-duty must defer to 911 calling unless grave peril was imminent? Obvious line drawing problem, but it's a start.

Eta: I'd have 'retired' relegated to no powers at all beyond those of any other citizen
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This might be a useful line of inquiry, but it's probably important to point out that our would-be killer cop's claim about off-duty law enforcement is almost certainly self-serving nonsense, just like his claim to have opened a bottle for a single "sip" of beer.

The claim that he wanted to stop this car because he thought they were fleeing from police or some crime is simply not credible.
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Ok, I'd agree with that in the abstract. Probably right up until someone with trained police powers was needed in an emergency, perhaps to save a life.

Maybe a halfway measure could be made, where off-duty must defer to 911 calling unless grave peril was imminent? Obvious line drawing problem, but it's a start.

Eta: I'd have 'retired' relegated to no powers at all beyond those of any other citizen
I don't know exactly how I feel about it either. Not 100% anyway. But as I said it is a discussion we're going to have from some angle at some point in the broader social discourse I think.

I think if you're cop and you encounter a situation outside of your normal duties and you don't inform the broader authorities literarily as soon as it's practically possible, that's a definite no-no.

ETA: Thread moved faster than I figure, added quote for clarity.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
This might be a useful line of inquiry, but it's probably important to point out that our would-be killer cop's claim about off-duty law enforcement is almost certainly self-serving nonsense, just like his claim to have opened a bottle for a single "sip" of beer.

The claim that he wanted to stop this car because he thought they were fleeing from police or some crime is simply not credible.
All true, but the fact that was still the defense he defaulted to is telling, and we've had cases more directly in line with what we are talking about as well.

What excuses people default to when put on the spot a useful point of data.
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In the United Kingdom, the power of a constable is 'in the person' as delegated by the Chief Constable. A constable always holds the power to make an arrest, in that respect is always on duty.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
In the United Kingdom, the power of a constable is 'in the person' as delegated by the Chief Constable. A constable always holds the power to make an arrest, in that respect is always on duty.
Which is nice, at least partially because they generally don't hold the power to carry a gun.
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"The last words Michael Chad Breinholt heard were, “You’re about to die, my friend.”

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With his hands cuffed behind his back, he briefly wrestled with two officers. One screamed that Breinholt was grabbing his holstered gun. Sgt. Tyler Longman rushed into the room, made his declaration and fired.

“He took the time to think about that, to say those words,” Neese said in a recent interview. “And then aim and shoot. And kill Chad.”
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It was his third."


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...hooting-video/
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Great we've reached the point that cops see themselves as action heroes so much they have to have pre-kill one liners.

I mean "You're about to die, my friend" is no "It's just be revoked" or "Hasta la Vista Baby" but still...
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