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Old 15th November 2021, 12:53 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Well apart from the flogging, the capital punishment, the man as the head of the household….
But Christians don't call it Sharia law, only Muslims do that. And that's the unacceptable part.
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Old 15th November 2021, 01:26 PM   #42
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Here's a radical suggestion: Give these tunnel-vision nitwits what they want. Designate or create a US state that can be completely walled off from the rest of the country where their chosen religion is mandated. Then anyone who wants to adhere to that notion of government gets pushed into that state, by forcible removal and trucking them if necessary. They can then live there in peace according to their own rules, have their own constitution, deal with their own problems their way. Completely isolated from the rest of the world, a black hole of insane religious suckitude. It would make for a great dystopian novel, yes?
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Old 15th November 2021, 01:49 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Here's a radical suggestion: Give these tunnel-vision nitwits what they want. Designate or create a US state that can be completely walled off from the rest of the country where their chosen religion is mandated. Then anyone who wants to adhere to that notion of government gets pushed into that state, by forcible removal and trucking them if necessary. They can then live there in peace according to their own rules, have their own constitution, deal with their own problems their way. Completely isolated from the rest of the world, a black hole of insane religious suckitude. It would make for a great dystopian novel, yes?
It's always fun to come up with ways of letting people really experience what they wish for. But invariably many people are going to suffer and when I think of that I retract the thought.
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Old 15th November 2021, 02:31 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Rather like the more recent idea that devout Muslim terrorists would faint at the sight of a female breast.
I'm imagining what TSA uniforms would look like if that was adopted as official policy.
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Old 15th November 2021, 02:41 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
It's always fun to come up with ways of letting people really experience what they wish for. But invariably many people are going to suffer and when I think of that I retract the thought.
True. So how is the USA going these days? Found many unrepentant rebels in the South? Reds under the beds? Commies in the hippies? Libs in the boomers?

How about cucks in Qanon?
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Old 15th November 2021, 06:12 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Hair-splitting. He declares that there "needs to be one religion" for the "nation"; a restriction that can only be enforced upon the nation by its government.
You would also have to trash the First Admendment, the first line of which is forbids the US having any kind of official religion.
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Old 15th November 2021, 09:49 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
No.
He just expects Congress to ignore his crimes, because he is so pious.
I have difficulty interpreting “If we’re to be one nation under god, we need one religion" as "ignore my crimes".
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Old 15th November 2021, 10:36 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I have difficulty interpreting “If we’re to be one nation under god, we need one religion" as "ignore my crimes".
You are not taking Flynn's personality (or pathology) into account: he believes he is in the Right by whatever Grace he can invoke. Christianity is just a tool, like Trump was supposed to be.
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Old 15th November 2021, 10:43 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You would also have to trash the First Admendment, the first line of which is forbids the US having any kind of official religion.
Only the second amendment matters to these folks.
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Old 15th November 2021, 11:11 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Was this even a smart thing to say to his base? I can't imagine anyone would be a fan of a singular religion ruling the nation. It would be....stupid.
He's not dependent on election so he doesn't have a base. But also, there are places where this attitude is normal.
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Old 15th November 2021, 11:41 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
You are not taking Flynn's personality (or pathology) into account: he believes he is in the Right by whatever Grace he can invoke. Christianity is just a tool, like Trump was supposed to be.
Even if his motivation for calling for one religion is to cover up his crimes, I fail to see why he is not calling for a direct violation of the first amendment.
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Old 16th November 2021, 12:42 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Here's a radical suggestion: Give these tunnel-vision nitwits what they want. Designate or create a US state that can be completely walled off from the rest of the country where their chosen religion is mandated. Then anyone who wants to adhere to that notion of government gets pushed into that state, by forcible removal and trucking them if necessary. They can then live there in peace according to their own rules, have their own constitution, deal with their own problems their way. Completely isolated from the rest of the world, a black hole of insane religious suckitude. It would make for a great dystopian novel, yes?
You're talking about A Handmaid's Tale, aren't you?
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Old 16th November 2021, 01:18 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
You are not taking Flynn's personality (or pathology) into account: he believes he is in the Right by whatever Grace he can invoke. Christianity is just a tool, like Trump was supposed to be.

Trump was, and is, quite definitely, a tool.
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Old 16th November 2021, 01:24 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Here's a radical suggestion: Give these tunnel-vision nitwits what they want. Designate or create a US state that can be completely walled off from the rest of the country where their chosen religion is mandated. Then anyone who wants to adhere to that notion of government gets pushed into that state, by forcible removal and trucking them if necessary. They can then live there in peace according to their own rules, have their own constitution, deal with their own problems their way. Completely isolated from the rest of the world, a black hole of insane religious suckitude. It would make for a great dystopian novel, yes?
Brexit is a bit like this - but from a sovereignty/economic perspective rather than a religious one - and it turns out that when the fundamentalist zealots get what they say they want, it's all been done incorrectly.

Again, using Brexit as a template, they will find that there's as least as much difference between the different flavours of zealotry as there is between the zealots and the general population and they'll start bickering between themselves and blaming the non-believers for all of their problems because they (the non-believers) haven't done enough to engineer the success of their fundamentalist "paradise".
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Old 16th November 2021, 02:09 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Only the second amendment matters to these folks.
I support second amendmant rights so we can protect ourselves from those folks.
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Old 16th November 2021, 02:53 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
You're talking about A Handmaid's Tale, aren't you?
Can't believe you were the first to say that.

It's what Flynn wants. Give it to them, but make sure they get walled in, like a giant gated community or an open-air prison. If they thrive, great. If they don't, also great. Just don't let them mingle with the rest of the USA.
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Old 16th November 2021, 04:28 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
You're talking about A Handmaid's Tale, aren't you?
Novel or TV show?,
The novel is excellent, the TV show, not so much.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Even if his motivation for calling for one religion is to cover up his crimes, I fail to see why he is not calling for a direct violation of the first amendment.
Based on other people from whom I've heard similar comments before, there are two main possibilities:

Either...

1. He isn't thinking about that at all and doesn't care,

or

2. He figures that, since the authors were all Christians and the main conflicts they would have had on their minds to ban had been between different kinds of Christians, they really meant Christian religion anyway, not all those crazy pagan things out there.
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Here's a radical suggestion: Give these tunnel-vision nitwits what they want. Designate or create a US state that can be completely walled off from the rest of the country where their chosen religion is mandated. Then anyone who wants to adhere to that notion of government gets pushed into that state, by forcible removal and trucking them if necessary. They can then live there in peace according to their own rules, have their own constitution, deal with their own problems their way. Completely isolated from the rest of the world, a black hole of insane religious suckitude. It would make for a great dystopian novel, yes?
Whose home are you going to give them? We already have a dark history of forcing people off their lands.

You're also assuming they will just accept what they are given.

And as soon as the inevitable troubles like infighting start, they look outward for an enemy
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Whose home are you going to give them? We already have a dark history of forcing people off their lands.
Idaho?

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You're also assuming they will just accept what they are given.
It's what they say they want - their own one-religion country without any barriers to their religious proclivities. They can form the government of their desires.

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And as soon as the inevitable troubles like infighting start, they look outward for an enemy
Inevitable. Hence the wall. It's to keep them in, not invaders out.
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Whose home are you going to give them? We already have a dark history of forcing people off their lands.

You're also assuming they will just accept what they are given.

And as soon as the inevitable troubles like infighting start, they look outward for an enemy
It is a problem. Once upon a time you could chase them out to Utah or something, but we're running out of empty space. Maybe we could negotiate a deal with some needy African country and carve them out a new Liberia.

I know, when it comes down to it, there are no practical ideas that aren't either too dumb or too invasive or both, but it's fun to imagine anyway.
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