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Old 21st November 2021, 05:15 PM   #1
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Terror attack in Wisconsin

Police are responding to a mass casualty incident in Waukesha, Wisconsin after a car plowed into a crowd of people during a holiday parade.
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Old 21st November 2021, 05:22 PM   #2
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Old 21st November 2021, 05:29 PM   #3
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/suv-dr...e-shots-fired/

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One witness reported that the driver ran over “several elderly women” while firing a weapon from his window.”Right in front of my family, this man drives through the parade hitting as many people as possible while shooting out the window,” a parade attendee tweeted. “He ran over several elderly women who were dancing in the parade and many others please pray for everyone in Waukesha.
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Old 21st November 2021, 05:41 PM   #4
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Reuters is no doubt well known for publishing fake news. I did a google search, what's stopping you? Being in the period of fog of war and uncertainty about events is not what is meant by fake news.
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Old 21st November 2021, 05:56 PM   #5
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A number of people have been injured after a vehicle plowed into a Christmas parade on Sunday in Waukesha, Wisconsin.

There were reports of possible shots fired during the incident in the Milwaukee suburb.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...61852.html?amp
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Old 21st November 2021, 06:00 PM   #6
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From CNN’s Arlette Saenz

The White House is monitoring the situation in Waukesha, Wisconsin, according to a White House official.

Waukesha Police said more than 20 people were injured after an SUV ran through the city's Christmas parade earlier this evening.

Officials have recovered the suspected vehicle, and they are looking into a person of interest, Waukesha Police Chief Dan Thompson said.


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Old 21st November 2021, 06:27 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
A number of people have been injured after a vehicle plowed into a Christmas parade on Sunday in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
Maybe this would have been a better headline.

Local news is claiming one dead.
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Old 21st November 2021, 07:55 PM   #8
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Based on the CNN video and a local TV station video, it's not clear that it was a terrorist attack. The SUV drove past groups of spectators and a police officer who was manning a barricade and past some of the groups in the parade and didn't appear to hit anyone until it reached a place where the entire road was blocked by a marching band and spectators, and appeared to be trying to squeeze between the band and the spectators. The driver could have easily run over a bunch of people well before they actually did run over people.
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Old 21st November 2021, 08:04 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
Based on the CNN video and a local TV station video, it's not clear that it was a terrorist attack. The SUV drove past groups of spectators and a police officer who was manning a barricade and past some of the groups in the parade and didn't appear to hit anyone until it reached a place where the entire road was blocked by a marching band and spectators, and appeared to be trying to squeeze between the band and the spectators. The driver could have easily run over a bunch of people well before they actually did run over people.
The headline does not say Terrorist. It says Terror. I think it fits that definition.
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Old 21st November 2021, 08:25 PM   #10
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59369492

"Police have said there were "some fatalities" after a car ploughed into a parade in Wisconsin.

Footage posted online shows a red sports utility vehicle (SUV) driving through a Christmas parade in the city of Waukesha, west of Milwaukee, at around 16:40 local time (22:40 GMT).

Police chief Dan Thompson said it hit more than 20 people including children."


I assume the theprestige will now walk back their fake news claim, and perhaps explain what caused it?
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Old 21st November 2021, 08:50 PM   #11
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“(A relative) lives in Waukesha, a black guy with dreads knocked on her door shortly after the incident at the parade. She wouldn’t let him in and he proceeded to go across the street trying to break into a building. My daughter called 911 with a description and they said they think he was driving the SUV that drove into all the people.”

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“My friend was approached by the people in the car. One was arrested, other two on the run. They asked to use his phone. 3 African Americans, early 20’s, dreadlocks.”

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At 4:39 p.m., a police officer could be heard on the radio saying, “There’s a car going westbound approaching the parade course. A red Escape. Black male. I couldn’t stop him. He’s going westbound blowing his horn.”

These are not the Racially or Ethnically Motivated Domestic Violent Extremists Joe Biden, his DHS and his DOJ have been warning us about.

https://heavy.com/news/waukesha-parade-shooting-car/
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Originally Posted by GraculusTheGreenBird View Post
I assume the theprestige will now walk back their fake news claim, and perhaps explain what caused it?
theprestige was saying that the headline labelling this as a terror attack was the fake news, not the actual incident itself, since this is not a claim made in the reporting. However these are from links already provided:

The Guardian:
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The investigation was still “very fluid”, he added, and did not know if the incident was terror-related. However, one person of interest was in custody and the vehicle involved had been recovered.
New York Post:
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A person of interest was in custody and police have not ruled out terrorism as a motive, according to Police Chief Daniel Thompson.
Independent:
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Police chief Dan Thompson said his department had taken one person of interest into custody and seized the vehicle. He said he didn’t yet know if there is any connection to terrorism.
So Matthew Best was not the first person to use that word.
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Old 21st November 2021, 09:14 PM   #14
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I realize that modern technology has made people addicted to rapid news, but maybe it's a better idea to just wait for more information before reacting to things? More will be known tomorrow, and a subset of that will be published. If you can manage to cultivate a little patience you can avoid wasting your own time and possibly looking like an idiot.
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Old 21st November 2021, 09:27 PM   #15
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Isn't there a fallacy that says where 50% of all initial reporting of quickly-developing stories is completely wrong?
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Old 21st November 2021, 11:25 PM   #16
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You have that backwards. Matthew went with an “answers now!!!!!!!” headline that he couldn’t back up, and theprestige called him on it.
Yeah, no. That is not how I see it at all. You are quite simply, wrong!

"Police are responding to a mass casualty incident in Waukesha, Wisconsin after a car plowed into a crowd of people during a holiday parade. "

That was the news theprestige called "Fake News" but it is in fact what happened. If he thought the headline was wrong. he should have said "Fake Headline"


"Fake News" is a Trumpism... its no surprise to see theprestige using it, and therefore no surprise to see you covering for him...
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Old 21st November 2021, 11:37 PM   #17
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That's still not what fake news is. The event did happen, and it was called a terror attack.
The excerpts I posted make it clear that it is unknown at this time whether it was a terror attack or not. It might be, it might not. We'll have to wait and see whether the "person of interest" is charged with terrorist activity.
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As bad as the initial reports seemed...it is worse. 5 dead, 40 injured.
Likely more so by tomorrow...

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"At this time, we can confirm that 5 people are deceased and over 40 are injured. However, these numbers may change as we collect additional information. Many people have self-transported to area hospitals. The Police Department has the person of interest in custody."

https://twitter.com/CityofWaukesha/s...59959544594433

Even if reports he was fleeing another crime are true, why would anyone try to get away by choosing a main street that was barricaded and had crowds of people? Just so utterly senseless.

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Darrell Brooks Junior's ID was found in the red Ford Escape. It appears Mr. Brooks is an aspiring rapper who goes by the name "MathBoi Fly".

He has a rap video on YouTube where he can be seen standing in front of a red Ford Escape along with some dude pointing an Uzi at the camera.

NBC is reporting that he was fleeing the scene of a stabbing when he encountered the parade.
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“Several LE sources say preliminary: Wisconsin incident appears to be vehicle fleeing a separate crime scene (stabbing) when it plowed into parade. One person in custody. Investigation ongoing but so far no initial link to terror or the recent Rittenhouse verdict w/@tom_winter,” NBC reporter Jonathan Dienst wrote on Twitter.
https://heavy.com/news/waukesha-parade-shooting-car/
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in the red Ford Escape.
Sometimes the simulation includes these little jokes.

Fleeing a pursuit and then finding yourself in the middle of a parade is the stuff of movies. Parade-goers are supposed to help the suspect get away.
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Because at this point we don't know the driver or the motivation (ETA: Bogative supplied some information half an hour before I wrote this, but I had preloaded the window earlier and didn't see it) if this was a deliberate attack (as opposed to a very unfortunate and unusual mishap) I condemn it. I don't care if the driver:
  • is a hard right Trump-worshiping, Qanon believing whacko,
  • is a gun-toting, abortion banning climate-change denier,
  • is a soft conservative espousing smaller government and fiscal prudence,
  • is a soft liberal in favour of gun control, abortion rights who recycles aluminum,
  • is a "ban all guns and the government while we're at it" libertarian,
  • or is a far-left committed Marxist intent on bringing down the government through violence
To emphasize, if this is a deliberate attack, there is no excuse for it. I don't care if the person who did it shares all my beliefs (save for being willing to run a vehicle into a crowd of people) or is the polar opposite of me in every way. This sort of violence is reprehensible and has no place in a civilized society.
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I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
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lol what happened to "running over as many people as possible while shooting out the window"?


I have to admit, shooting through a rolled-up window and not leaving any bullet holes is a pretty neat magic trick.
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What's a "terror attack".
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I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
Without doubt.

Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.

Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
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I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
Those reports are evidently false. The available video evidence (so far) does not support gunshots being fired during the incident.

At a news conference, the police chief said that an officer had fired a shot at the vehicle at one point while trying to stop it, but that there was no evidence that the person driving the vehicle had fired a gun at any point.
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Those reports are evidently false. The available video evidence (so far) does not support gunshots being fired during the incident.

At a news conference, the police chief said that an officer had fired a shot at the vehicle at one point while trying to stop it, but that there was no evidence that the person driving the vehicle had fired a gun at any point.
Who gives a ****. Do you not accept that the driver deliberately drove into people? The gunshot allegation means nothing in this undeniable reality.
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Who gives a ****. Do you not accept that the driver deliberately drove into people? The gunshot allegation means nothing in this undeniable reality.
Did you read the post I was replying to?
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Did you read the post I was replying to?
I did. I thought you were implying that because no shots were fired, it was not a terrorist attack.

I see now that was not your intent. Apologies.
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Did you read the post I was replying to?
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Who gives a ****. Do you not accept that the driver deliberately drove into people? The gunshot allegation means nothing in this undeniable reality.
Deliberately as in this was a planned attack? No.

IMO, there's 3 possible situations.

1. Planned attack. I'm not convinced of that yet, but it's possible.
2. Really drunk, unable to comprehend what was going on, and just drove into people when he couldn't avoid them anymore. Similar to a drunk person driving the wrong way on a highway.
3. Fleeing from something else, got stuck at the parade and took the risk of trying to drive through it and avoided people as best he could (or just didnt care) until he couldn't anymore.

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Without doubt.



Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.



Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
What standard definition are you referring to?
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Reports now say police believe the person was fleeing from another incident.

So getaway gone really, really, like couldn't have gone worse, wrong.

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The indications are the Waukesha suspect was fleeing another incident when he drove into the parade route, according to multiple law enforcement sources familiar with the preliminary investigation findings.
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Without doubt.

Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.

Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
Isn't a terror attack normally defined as having a political or social goal? This one seems like one random sicko.
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This one seems like one random sicko.
I'm not sure if you could even call it that. Random sicko, to me, would be him intentionally targeting the people without any real political or social goals. Thus far, we haven't seen much that shows this to be a targeted attack and rumors have been indicating he was trying to flee a different crime.

If that is indeed the case, rather than "random sicko" I'd call it "stupid, selfish bastard".
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Old 22nd November 2021, 06:50 AM   #37
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I suspect that whatever situation brought him there / caused him to be fleeing, it was his hatred of white people that played at least a significant role in his final decision to plow into them.
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So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?
For the same reason we would question why you call a car a motorcycle.

Words have meanings. Why choose semi-random ones to express a thought?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?

Maybe because that is at the very core of trying to understand what happened and why it happened?

Just a guess on my part there, though.....
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