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Old 23rd November 2021, 04:56 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
No, he's not:



It's just that the people that would end up being killed by this criterion would be disproportionately poor and disproportionately black. He also says second or third strike somewhere inn a later post. I don't think any of that is too radical, although I'm not sure the extent to which I agree. Probably more than most here.
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There is a reason for the overlap between poverty, violent crime, and being black. Skeptic Tanks "proposal" would take care of all three things at once, at the expense of millions of human lives. Are you really comfortable advocating for mass executions?
I want to point this out so that people are not confused and don't start engaging in some arcane hermeneutical examination of the writings of Skeptic Tank.

Skeptic Tank is an avowed racist who wants a white ethno-state. He has stated it as clearly as it is possible to do so in the past.

I don't mean, if you read between the lines, I mean actually baldly stated the fact that he is a racist who does not want ethnic mixing thank you very much.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 06:28 AM   #122
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The real crime here is holding a Christmas parade days before Thanksgiving.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 06:59 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I want to point this out so that people are not confused and don't start engaging in some arcane hermeneutical examination of the writings of Skeptic Tank.

Skeptic Tank is an avowed racist who wants a white ethno-state. He has stated it as clearly as it is possible to do so in the past.

I don't mean, if you read between the lines, I mean actually baldly stated the fact that he is a racist who does not want ethnic mixing thank you very much.
Exactly, Skeptic Tank is a proud racist who proudly admits to being racist.

No beating about the bush, he is completely open about it.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 07:43 AM   #124
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Police rules it "not a terror attack".
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Old 23rd November 2021, 09:54 AM   #125
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The perp here looks awfully light. Where I grew up, we'd take him for a Basque sheepherder or a Greek or some such. If he hates whites, he hates a (pretty large) part of himself.

Nothing unusual in seif-hate, of course, and not just among Mischlings. But our resident racies, open and thinly veiled, must consider that this joker inherits a helluva lot of Whight Manner genes and the traits that supposedly go with them. Traits that our racialists must surely share!

Could those traits include criminality, violence, and a yearning for genocide? "The Aryan hates his enemy and wishes to kill him." Who said that? Some advanced philosopher, I suppose.
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The latest news I see is that it's now alleged he was not fleeing from police, but had just left a domestic disturbance, so why he was where he was and why he started running people down becomes more mysterious again. Then again, he seems such an overall nasty character that I suspect most of us will never understand him.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 01:18 PM   #127
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Sign of the times that these days when there is an atrocity, there is an anxious wait to discover (a) the ethnicity of the victim/s and that of (b) the perpetrator/s, as if knowing makes a difference to how one should react. I've noticed people on Twitter sighing a collective breath of relief when the perp is NOT a Muslim (I presume they are) and then a lot of stuff about how the perp/s are 'Somalian' or, 'the police aren't revealing his ID, and that is...SUSPICIOUS! That can only mean...it's a...[insert scary bogeyman here]'

Does it make a difference if the perp is of one ethnicity or another?
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Old 23rd November 2021, 01:20 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Sign of the times that these days when there is an atrocity, there is an anxious wait to discover (a) the ethnicity of the victim/s and that of (b) the perpetrator/s, as if knowing makes a difference to how one should react. I've noticed people on Twitter sighing a collective breath of relief when the perp is NOT a Muslim (I presume they are) and then a lot of stuff about how the perp/s are 'Somalian' or, 'the police aren't revealing his ID, and that is...SUSPICIOUS! That can only mean...it's a...[insert scary bogeyman here]'

Does it make a difference if the perp is of one ethnicity or another?
Sometimes it might, depending on the nature of the crime. It can certainly make a difference in how the media reports it.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 02:01 PM   #129
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The latest news I see is that it's now alleged he was not fleeing from police, but had just left a domestic disturbance, so why he was where he was and why he started running people down becomes more mysterious again. Then again, he seems such an overall nasty character that I suspect most of us will never understand him.
If he left a domestic disturbance and decided to take that route without knowing of the parade, being hailed by a cop and shot at might well have caused a panic reaction to just get away.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 02:21 PM   #130
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If he left a domestic disturbance and decided to take that route without knowing of the parade, being hailed by a cop and shot at might well have caused a panic reaction to just get away.
Well, to be fair the barricade should have been a pretty good indicator that something was going on in front of him. Judging by his criminal past he seems like the type of person to lash out before taking off.
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If he left a domestic disturbance and decided to take that route without knowing of the parade, being hailed by a cop and shot at might well have caused a panic reaction to just get away.
Poor guy. Probably was a white cop, too. Damn pigs.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Poor guy. Probably was a white cop, too. Damn pigs.
It was not intended to be an excuse, but it might be the reason.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 03:37 PM   #133
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Sign of the times that these days when there is an atrocity, there is an anxious wait to discover (a) the ethnicity of the victim/s and that of (b) the perpetrator/s, as if knowing makes a difference to how one should react. I've noticed people on Twitter sighing a collective breath of relief when the perp is NOT a Muslim (I presume they are) and then a lot of stuff about how the perp/s are 'Somalian' or, 'the police aren't revealing his ID, and that is...SUSPICIOUS! That can only mean...it's a...[insert scary bogeyman here]'

Does it make a difference if the perp is of one ethnicity or another?
No, but it definitely makes a difference on how people react to the crime, and it certainly can change the context the crime takes place in. Naturally, politics is going to figure in.
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Old 23rd November 2021, 03:40 PM   #134
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If he left a domestic disturbance and decided to take that route without knowing of the parade, being hailed by a cop and shot at might well have caused a panic reaction to just get away.
Is there any evidence this happened? Considering he previously tried to kill someone with a car, this would be quite a coincidence.
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So, just to check, running over people marching the street is again a BAD thing, right? Because we had people advocating that it should be legal for a while.
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So, just to check, running over people marching the street is again a BAD thing, right? Because we had people advocating that it should be legal for a while.
Talk about a moronic comparison.
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6 dead now. This latest one is reportedly a child.
They will add one additional charge of intentional homicide.
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Talk about a moronic comparison.
In what way?
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In what way?
Every.
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Sign of the times that these days when there is an atrocity, there is an anxious wait to discover (a) the ethnicity of the victim/s and that of (b) the perpetrator/s, as if knowing makes a difference to how one should react. I've noticed people on Twitter sighing a collective breath of relief when the perp is NOT a Muslim (I presume they are) and then a lot of stuff about how the perp/s are 'Somalian' or, 'the police aren't revealing his ID, and that is...SUSPICIOUS! That can only mean...it's a...[insert scary bogeyman here]'

Does it make a difference if the perp is of one ethnicity or another?
There are important lessons to be learned if the perp is a cisgender straight white male.
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The perp here looks awfully light. Where I grew up, we'd take him for a Basque sheepherder or a Greek or some such. If he hates whites, he hates a (pretty large) part of himself.

Nothing unusual in seif-hate, of course, and not just among Mischlings. But our resident racies, open and thinly veiled, must consider that this joker inherits a helluva lot of Whight Manner genes and the traits that supposedly go with them. Traits that our racialists must surely share!

Could those traits include criminality, violence, and a yearning for genocide? "The Aryan hates his enemy and wishes to kill him." Who said that? Some advanced philosopher, I suppose.
I have a theory about inbreeding being the bane of American Blacks:

The White Slave Owner has sex/children with his slaves. Next generation, WSO jr., more sex/children with the descendant his father. Next, WSO III, ditto. etc. SO, IF there is a genetic defect in American Blacks, it's because of the "English" genes !!!
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No, they're proposing killing all the violent people. Are you going to tell me that most of the violent people are black?
I'm saying that it would be wrong to fail to acknowledge that there is a strong link between crime, poverty, and the historical treatment of African-Americans. I'm pretty sure that Skeptic Tank would be just fine with killing white people too, but blanket executions of violent offenders would disproportionately affect poor black people.

Of course, this is only the beginning of the problems with Skeptic Tank's proposal. We haven't even talked about his definition of "violent offender". If I get involved in a punch-up outside the pub on Friday night, am I now headed for the chopping block?
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So, just to check, running over people marching the street is again a BAD thing, right? Because we had people advocating that it should be legal for a while.
Go to hell with that ****.
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Go to hell with that ****.
Tell that to Kevin Stitt

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...esters-drivers
"A new Oklahoma law protects drivers who unintentionally injure or kill demonstrators from any liability, while simultaneously subjecting protesters who block roadways to jail time and hefty fines.

Oklahoma’s Republican governor, Kevin Stitt, signed HB 1674 on Wednesday, even as advocates excoriated their elected officials for undermining democracy."


and Ron DeSantis

https://slate.com/business/2021/04/d...publicans.html

On Monday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an “anti-riot” bill that allows harsher police crackdowns on demonstrators Most jarring of all, the law grants civil immunity to drivers who ram into protesting crowds and even injure or kill participants, if they claim the protests made them concerned for their own well-being in the moment.
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Tell that to Kevin Stitt

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...esters-drivers
"A new Oklahoma law protects drivers who unintentionally injure or kill demonstrators from any liability, while simultaneously subjecting protesters who block roadways to jail time and hefty fines.

Oklahoma’s Republican governor, Kevin Stitt, signed HB 1674 on Wednesday, even as advocates excoriated their elected officials for undermining democracy."


and Ron DeSantis

https://slate.com/business/2021/04/d...publicans.html

On Monday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an “anti-riot” bill that allows harsher police crackdowns on demonstrators Most jarring of all, the law grants civil immunity to drivers who ram into protesting crowds and even injure or kill participants, if they claim the protests made them concerned for their own well-being in the moment.
Good ol’ America, where rights and freedoms are paramount, as long as your politics are the same as the local dictator governor. We do have posters here who think that the quoted laws are acceptable and just.
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Yeah, because plowing through a group of "Dancing Grannies" and schoolchildren during a city sanctioned Christmas parade is exactly the same as trying to escape an angry mob illegally blocking a roadway.

******* retarded.
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Oh yes, that's a shining example of civilization in action! Truly something to aspire to.

Like I said, in America there is a strong overlap between the three groups, and it would absolutely be millions of people.

He's advocating for a massive expansion of the death penalty and the removal of all precautions and procedures that ensure that it is only ever applied appropriately*. And doing so for reasons that are literally mediaeval.


*Not that such a thing is possible, but for the sake of argument...
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No, I'm pretty sure he'll be okay with killing white people too. It's just that such a policy would disproportionally affect poor black people because of the overlap.


Perhaps seeking equitable consequences could enhance ISF consensus around this vexing skeptic dilemma

Example:

a.) Determine a "unit value" for measuring the social/human cost of a crime, like, say, stealing a loaf of bread.

b.) Assign a corresponding "consequence/punishment unit value".

c.) Write a formula for applying that 'social cost' to, say, stealing a home via mortgage fraud, or stealing a nation's future via treaty fraud, or just select the most common white collar crime.

d.) Assign consequences equitably regardless of color or class (emphasis on class, as they come in all colors).
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A surprising judgment is rendered near the end of the New York Times’s 25-minute video reconstruction of the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings. It’s a judgment about Anthony Huber, the 26-year-old who rushed Rittenhouse, hit him with a skateboard, tried to take away his gun, and got fatally shot in the process.

The judgment comes from a guy named Ryan Balch, who was in Kenosha that night. He says, “Anthony Huber, man, he went down like a hero… He thought there was a threat there, and he was reacting to it.”

I call this judgment surprising not because it strikes me as unreasonable...
What’s surprising is that the person who rendered that judgment wasn’t in Huber’s tribe. On the night of the shootings, Ryan Balch, a young military veteran, was out patrolling Kenosha’s streets, assault rifle in hand, literally shoulder to shoulder with Kyle Rittenhouse.
I'd go the other way in condemning the vigilantism of Rittenhouse and the people who tried to stop him. Then there's some evolutionary psychology:

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Good ol’ America, where rights and freedoms are paramount, as long as your politics are the same as the local dictator governor. We do have posters here who think that the quoted laws are acceptable and just.
Yup, as long as the people doing the protesting are BLM and/or Antifa, and the people doing the running down of protesters are white.

Heaven help a black man who runs down participants in a Proud Boys/Aryan Nations/KKK rally/protest in Florida or Oklahoma... he'll get the death sentence before he even gets to court.
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Heaven help a black man who runs down participants in a Proud Boys/Aryan Nations/KKK rally/protest in Florida or Oklahoma... he'll get the death sentence before he even gets to court.
Can you share more of this make believe world in your head? It sounds like quite a fascinating place.
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Yeah, because plowing through a group of "Dancing Grannies" and schoolchildren during a city sanctioned Christmas parade is exactly the same as trying to escape an angry mob illegally blocking a roadway.

******* retarded.
Um, well the "trying to escape an angry mob" is nothing that has happened or been reasonably discussed, so I don't see the relevance. But as mentioned there's been an attempt to make it OK to run over groups of people blocking the road. Personally, I think that "I'm inconvenienced and I don't like those people" is never, ever a reasonable excuse for vehicular assault/homicide, but if this had been a BLM march and the driver was an angry white guy, pretty sure we'd be hearing a lot of "good people on both sides" type comments. So, just want to sanity check what the position on running people over actually is.
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Old 24th November 2021, 12:36 AM   #152
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But as mentioned there's been an attempt to make it OK to run over groups of people blocking the road.
No there hasn't.

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Personally, I think that "I'm inconvenienced and I don't like those people" is never, ever a reasonable excuse for vehicular assault/homicide
Neither does anyone else.

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but if this had been a BLM march and the driver was an angry white guy, pretty sure we'd be hearing a lot of "good people on both sides" type comments.
You're "pretty sure", huh? Cool story, bro.

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So, just want to sanity check what the position on running people over actually is.
Seems like you're way off. I mean like way, way off. Not even remotely in the ballpark of what anyone thinks.
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Old 24th November 2021, 11:31 AM   #153
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Wow. 6 dead white victims, including a child. And a black man with racist rants on his social media. Imagine if the colors had been reversed. A "white supremacist" hate crime is all you would be hearing.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-b...eople-violence

And of course you would also hear, "no black man would have been let out on bail like that".
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Old 24th November 2021, 01:45 PM   #154
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Wow. 6 dead white victims, including a child. And a black man with racist rants on his social media. Imagine if the colors had been reversed. A "white supremacist" hate crime is all you would be hearing.

If the races were reversed, he'd be the new Dylan Roof and left-wingers would not shut up about it for the next five years. I'm guessing they would be pissing and moaning because the police provided him with food as they are legally obligated to do.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Wow. 6 dead white victims, including a child. And a black man with racist rants on his social media. Imagine if the colors had been reversed. A "white supremacist" hate crime is all you would be hearing.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-b...eople-violence

And of course you would also hear, "no black man would have been let out on bail like that".

The 'reporters' at the 'Daily Fail' have got you covered, they've scoured the internet until they found...


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A Black Lives Matter activist has claimed the Waukesha Christmas parade attack which killed five people was linked to the acquittal of teenager Kyle Rittenhouse.

Activist Vaun Mayes speculated that the attack which saw suspect Darrell Brooks Jr, 39, drive a car into a crowd of parade goers in Wisconsin on Sunday was the 'start of a revolution'.

Mayes claimed that the horror that unfolded during the Christmas parade was linked to growing anger over the verdict in the Rittenhouse trial, which saw the teenager acquitted on charges stemming from killing two men and wounding another during the unrest that followed the shooting of a Black man by a white police officer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o_player_click
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The 'reporters' at the 'Daily Fail' have got you covered, they've scoured the internet until they found...





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o_player_click
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I mean blocking the roadway without a permit seems like something that should have hefty fines and jail time already.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Wow. 6 dead white victims, including a child. And a black man with racist rants on his social media. Imagine if the colors had been reversed. A "white supremacist" hate crime is all you would be hearing.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-b...eople-violence

And of course you would also hear, "no black man would have been let out on bail like that".
Originally Posted by Graham2001 View Post
The 'reporters' at the 'Daily Fail' have got you covered, they've scoured the internet until they found...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o_player_click
If the races were reversed, nobody would need to "scour" the internet. No doubt about that.
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I'm beginning to think this was no accident:
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Brooks, 39, of Milwaukee, had left the site of the domestic disturbance before officers arrived, and was not being chased by police at the time of the crash, according to the chief, who gave no further details on the dispute.

Police said they were drawing up five charges of intentional homicide against Brooks.

He has been charged with crimes 16 times since 1999 and had two outstanding cases against him at the time of the parade disaster — including one in which he was accused of deliberately running down a woman with his vehicle.
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I mean blocking the roadway without a permit seems like something that should have hefty fines and jail time already.
Yeah. Protests should be illegal. Protests should be suppressed using any means. Stalin managed it, it worked for him. So the rest of us all can, right? Suppress those noisy folks, just as the party says, right?

Or are you an apologist for all that soviet oppression and gulags? You think that is the correct way right?
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