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Old 7th March 2018, 09:17 AM   #41
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BBC is reporting that investigators are focusing on a nearby restaurant and a pub. They are asking people who were in those places to report anything unusual that they saw. Seems like they are suggesting poisoning of food or drink in two possible places. Also reported that they are examining and testing a "substance".
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Old 7th March 2018, 10:21 AM   #42
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Early reports mention ten people being affected

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-after-1299623
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Old 7th March 2018, 10:51 AM   #43
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BBC now reporting that the toxin was a nerve agent.
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Old 7th March 2018, 11:28 AM   #44
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Are you actually implying that Russia wasn't involved in this?

What is your explanation?
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From the reaction I have seen and heard so far it was done by the UK Govt, It's all a frame up.
They all know it's true because the BBC always lie.

These aren't extremists, these are what I would call 'normal' people who a year ago would never have thought such a thing.
Their reasons for thinking it vary including Brexit, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pedophiles in high places, the Jews and Soros.

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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Early reports mention ten people being affected

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-after-1299623
It's interesting that the article mentions with not a word that this is about the Russian "spy" and his daughter, but the given time and locale where the two persons became ill match to a tee.

And do I read it correctly that all the other people affected were affected in the A&E?
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It's interesting that the article mentions with not a word that this is about the Russian "spy" and his daughter, but the given time and locale where the two persons became ill match to a tee.

And do I read it correctly that all the other people affected were affected in the A&E?
Early reoorts are often unclear, but should show the numbers.

A police officer (first on the scene) is seriously ill too.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
From the reaction I have seen and heard so far it was done by the UK Govt, It's all a frame up.
They all know it's true because the BBC always lie.

These aren't extremists, these are what I would call 'normal' people who a year ago would never have thought such a thing.
Their reasons for thinking it vary including Brexit, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pedophiles in high places, the Jews and Soros.
Humanity going back to its normal thinking process, then.
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I stand corrected. I somehow got the impression that it was in the shopping centre car park outside, but looking on Google earth the car park is a multi-storey. We wouldn't call it a "mall," though - far too small. It's not unusual to find benches around the edge of open ground-level car parks next to whatever retail building it is, though.
I think that's the missing part of the puzzle and that the police are barking up the wrong tree. I noticed on the news that the bench they were found on is directly outside a Gregs. Coincidence, or colesterol poisoning?
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Confirmed, poisoned by nerve agent.
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A former Russian spy and his daughter, who were found unconscious in a British shopping mall over the weekend, are believed to have been poisoned with a nerve agent, police said Wednesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/a...-agent-n854516
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Confirmed
Originally Posted by NBC News
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LOL.
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Russian spy: Nerve agent 'used to try to kill' Sergei Skripal

A nerve agent was used to try to murder a former Russian spy and his daughter, police have said.

Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found unconscious in Salisbury on Sunday afternoon and remain critically ill.

Mr Rowley, head of Counter Terrorism Policing, said government scientists had identified the agent used, but would not make that information public at this stage.

"This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder, by administration of a nerve agent," he said.

"Having established that a nerve agent is the cause of the symptoms... I can also confirm that we believe that the two people who became unwell were targeted specifically."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43323847
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LOL.
What? When the police say they "believe" something, that's tantamount to confirmation: The guy didn't have a heart attack, or get shot, or react to a mosquito bite, etc. It's a colloquialism. When the cop says "I believe you were driving 60 in a 50," it means he has sufficient evidence for him to write a ticket and take it to court. Do you have a point?
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It's confirmed, it was a nerve agent and they know what type.
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What? When the police say they "believe" something, that's tantamount to confirmation: The guy didn't have a heart attack, or get shot, or react to a mosquito bite, etc. It's a colloquialism. When the cop says "I believe you were driving 60 in a 50," it means he has sufficient evidence for him to write a ticket and take it to court. Do you have a point?
Yes I have a point. When the American media says that the police "believe" something, it definitely doesn't mean that it is confirmed.
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It's confirmed, it was a nerve agent and they know what type.
And the first police officer on the scene is also seriously ill.

Heavy stuff.
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They say it's either VX or Sarin. The police know which one.
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Polonium shortage?
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Are you actually implying that Russia wasn't involved in this?

What is your explanation?

Dude, "Russia" is a country. Countries don't run around poisoning people. People do. You can see what's "implied" in the picture. Do you actually think that this isn't what happened?
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VX and Sarin are more likely to have been created and stored by a government rather than a non-governmental entity or agency.
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Dude, "Russia" is a country. Countries don't run around poisoning people. People do. You can see what's "implied" in the picture. Do you actually think that this isn't what happened?

Pointing out the obvious - it is common usage to refer to a government of a country as the country when discussing foreign relations. Japan attacked America at Pearl Harbour. You have used countries names like that before.

However if you want to be pedantic - the Russian state was responsible and it's unthinkable that it took place without the authorisation of Putin.
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However if you want to be pedantic - the Russian state was responsible and it's unthinkable that it took place without the authorisation of Putin.
...given that the Russian state is a dictatorship.
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However if you want to be pedantic - the Russian state was responsible and it's unthinkable that it took place without the authorisation of Putin.

Yeah, that's what the picture "implies". Of course we all know that you have not a shred of evidence for your belief, which is so strong that it simply must be true. Everything else is literally "unthinkable".
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Looks like old Soros is up to his usual dirty tricks!
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Sarin gas, like the Japanese terrorists used?

In a mall, with other people around?

Assassination, or terrorism?
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Sarin gas, like the Japanese terrorists used?

In a mall, with other people around?

Assassination, or terrorism?
The target suggests assassination.
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Sarin gas, like the Japanese terrorists used?

In a mall, with other people around?

Assassination, or terrorism?
Assassination.

But consider
When FSB agents Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitri Kovtun brought their WMD to London, though it was for the assassination of one man, it apparently heavily contaminated much of the hotel silverware and the room they stayed at to unheard of levels.

That's a crime in and of itself.

The Sarin attack by Aum Shinrikyo was truly terrorism, or at least intentional psychotic mass murder.

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It's not everyday that the place you live in ends up as front page news!

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And the first police officer on the scene is also seriously ill.
She's a close friend of my best mate. Apparently he threw up over her shortly after she arrived on scene. As far as I know she's serious but stable and is likely to be OK.
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They say it's either VX or Sarin. The police know which one.
No. They've ruled out both VX and Sarin. They say they know what it was and it's very rare.

Probably quite handy having Porton Down DSTL literally 5 mins up the road.
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Are you actually implying that Russia wasn't involved in this?

What is your explanation?
I don't deny that it is possible, but as others have said it is strange timing just months before Putin wants to be clear of legal tangles with regard to the football World Cup in Russia. An explanation 'could be' that Turkey or Ukraine were behind it, with red flag plausible deniability, in order to discredit Russia for their military success in Syria against the Syrian opposition. As usual, like Russiagate and chemical warfare in Syria and Iraq, there are a lot of opinions, and little evidence or facts.

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... Probably quite handy having Porton Down DSTL literally 5 mins up the road.
Likely to raise conspiracy theorists' eyebrows too: Poisoned by a nerve agent just 5 minutes drive from the UK's centre for nerve agent research.

I hope they all pull through.
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She's a close friend of my best mate. Apparently he threw up over her shortly after she arrived on scene. As far as I know she's serious but stable and is likely to be OK.
That's good news. Also interesting as I think all the news reports I heard did not specify the sex of the police officer.
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It's not everyday that the place you live in ends up as front page news!

She's a close friend of my best mate. Apparently he threw up over her shortly after she arrived on scene. As far as I know she's serious but stable and is likely to be OK.
I had difficulty parsing the "he"s and "she"s in that sentence because I'd just assumed the affected police officer was male as no report I've heard so far indicated otherwise. I'm glad to hear the "likely to be ok" part.
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I had difficulty parsing the "he"s and "she"s in that sentence because I'd just assumed the affected police officer was male as no report I've heard so far indicated otherwise. I'm glad to hear the "likely to be ok" part.
From the BBC site a little while ago: "A police officer taken ill alongside an ex-Russian spy and his daughter is now awake and talking." and "...snip.... A police officer, who was in intensive care, is now "stable and conscious", Wiltshire's chief constable said..... snip..."
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Polonium shortage?
Probably found to be too traceable.
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I had difficulty parsing the "he"s and "she"s in that sentence because I'd just assumed the affected police officer was male
Sexist!
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Sexist!
Just so. And on International Women's Day too. <hangs head in shame> To save you Googling it too, female officers comprise 28.2% of the force in England and Wales.
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Likely to raise conspiracy theorists' eyebrows too: Poisoned by a nerve agent just 5 minutes drive from the UK's centre for nerve agent research.
It's not terribly difficult to raise the eyebrows on a conspiracy theorist. Much harder to raise their level of education.

There's basically no chance this was a UK plot. Whatever nerve agent was used it wasn't something that was eaten/drank. It was inhaled or injected. The plan was for ex-spy to be given the poison and for him to stay at home and then by the time he got to medical help it would be far too late. He went out to a local pub and then a restaurant (which is why they are both closed) and collapsed on a bench nearby where the emergency services were called and probably got treatment in time.

Apparently the ambulance used to take him to hospital wasn't sufficiently decontaminated afterwards and was used for other patients, which also now have symptoms, albeit very mild, of the same kind of poisoning, which is why an area of Amesbury (town 10 miles ish away) is also cordoned off.

That is what the gossip on the street is at any rate. How accurate that all is I couldn't say.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Yes I have a point. When the American media says that the police "believe" something, it definitely doesn't mean that it is confirmed.
On the other hand, when British media say that, it's usually because that's what the police have told them.

Two countries separated by a common language....

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