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Old 18th April 2018, 10:54 AM   #281
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Pulitzer Prize to James Comey! Nobel Prize to Kim Commy!

Long live our glorious leader Trump Jong-Il!

Nobel Prize to the leaders of both Koreas!

No prize to the political Huntington's Chorea!
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Old 18th April 2018, 12:15 PM   #282
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Lol

Had the other liberal prize on the brain.
The Hugo?
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Old 18th April 2018, 12:59 PM   #283
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My bet is that Trump will meet and announce the war is over and come to some arrangement that will let him remove the US troops and announce his great peace deal.

Then the North will invade the South after the US forces have gone.

Or some variation that results in the South being sold out.
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Like we removed troops from Germany? There isnít any reason to remove them. Once weíre in weíre staying.
Whether or not the countries in question wants us to stay or not?
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Old 18th April 2018, 01:18 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
My bet is that Trump will meet and announce the war is over and come to some arrangement that will let him remove the US troops and announce his great peace deal.

Then the North will invade the South after the US forces have gone.

Or some variation that results in the South being sold out.
I think that any deal with North Korea will be regarded by a great deal of suspeicion by many in Trump's own party,and a "sellout deal" would be a very hard sell to his own party.
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Old 18th April 2018, 01:19 PM   #286
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I also find it amusing that logger says "Blind Hatred has no place in US Politics" when almost every post he makes reeks of pure,mindless hatred of anything he considers to be "Liberal", which seems to be anything to the left of Mussolini or Franco...
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Blind hatred seems to be the major component of US politics.
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Old 18th April 2018, 02:26 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Blind hatred seems to be the major component of US politics.
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Old 18th April 2018, 04:50 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I also find it amusing that logger says "Blind Hatred has no place in US Politics" when almost every post he makes reeks of pure,mindless hatred of anything he considers to be "Liberal", which seems to be anything to the left of Mussolini or Franco...
Where did I say it has no place?

Further, I donít hate liberals, I despise the ideology. Itís bent on emotion and doesnít understand being human.
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Old 18th April 2018, 04:53 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
My bet is that Trump will meet and announce the war is over and come to some arrangement that will let him remove the US troops and announce his great peace deal.

Then the North will invade the South after the US forces have gone.

Or some variation that results in the South being sold out.
I don't doubt that Kim's ultimate goal is to rule both the Koreas. The issue for now though is just to survive. That means keeping the nukes so the US doesn't the option of pounding you into the sand, while avoiding the ire of China, who could end his reign by fully participating in sanctions. Will he succeed? Maybe, but I'm not prepared to assume it just because Trump is a dufus. There will be people advising him, I'm sure people have already pointed out that Japan is trying to manipulate him by kissing ass.
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Old 18th April 2018, 05:44 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Blind hatred seems to be the major component of US politics.
Sometimes.

I admit I loathe Trump. He is a despicable bastard.

I was disappointed in McCain in 2008, didn't care for Romney, thought W was a disaster, but didn't hate any of them. Not even W, not even after Iraq. I thought it was ridiculous that he was reelected, but I didn't hate him.
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How does this disarming work? One of Kim’s missiles for 100 of Trump’s? And will they shoot one off during dessert?
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Old 18th April 2018, 06:31 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
My bet is that Trump will meet and announce the war is over and come to some arrangement that will let him remove the US troops and announce his great peace deal.

Then the North will invade the South after the US forces have gone.

Or some variation that results in the South being sold out.
Well, we know he models himself after Nixon and this sounds suspiciously like the Secret Nixon Plan to End the War in Vietnam. As Paul Krassner wrote after the fall of Saigon, "Who knew the big secret was to lose?"
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Any Democrat president who expressed the slightest willingness to meet with Kim would, of course, be denounced as a traitor by the likes of trump.
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Any Democrat president who expressed the slightest willingness to meet with Kim would, of course, be denounced as a traitor by the likes of trump.


They certainly had their chance.

Trump getting it done again.
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Old 18th April 2018, 11:56 PM   #296
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Trump getting it done again.
Getting what done again? He's had absolutely zero to do with it. None of these developments have been his idea, nor have they been at his bidding. It's all been driven by the two Koreas and China and Japan. Even the "surprise" US traipse to Pyongyang at Easter did nothing more than what Madelaine Albright did decades ago. Donny's business card got left on a silver salver in Kim's presidential lobby, where it is even now gathering dust.

Abe is currently dining out at Donny's expense and kissing his arse just enough to make Donny take the credit for this exercise. The South Korean president has done much the same, as has Xi in China. And is Donny playing into their hands! Because he has always tried to take credit for other peoples' successes. That's his MO, the biggest mooch in the country.

So with Donny now "invested" in a process he completely doesn't understand (and doesn't want to understand and is incapable of understanding but he pretends he does anyway), if it all goes to hell or even just cements Kim's global status as a viable superpower which he clearly doesn't deserve (the expected option), Donny will get saddled with those negative outcomes as well. Just like happened with the stock market - all the successes are his own work, all the failures are someone else's.

In other words, it's all bluff and bluster for Donny, but you think he's on top of the game. Meanwhile he is being played as an absolute fool by masters of the game. Donny IS the game.
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How does this disarming work? One of Kimís missiles for 100 of Trumpís? And will they shoot one off during dessert?
Who said peace in Korea would imply any missile dismantled? You'll see how North Korea makes Trump and the USA look like an obstacle to peace and progress in South Korean eyes.

I mean, the worst mistake Trump and the USA will do is trying to get done what they want. I'm not sure peace is possible now, but I'm certain the relationship between South Korea and the USA will go sour and local politics in the south will become much more complicated as a consequence of this process.

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Trump getting it done again.
As nothing has been accomplished nor will likely do, let's say yes to that, as all things Trump sustains in words, fantasy and wishful thinking-like activity.
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Getting what done again? He's had absolutely zero to do with it. None of these developments have been his idea, nor have they been at his bidding. It's all been driven by the two Koreas and China and Japan. Even the "surprise" US traipse to Pyongyang at Easter did nothing more than what Madelaine Albright did decades ago. Donny's business card got left on a silver salver in Kim's presidential lobby, where it is even now gathering dust.

Abe is currently dining out at Donny's expense and kissing his arse just enough to make Donny take the credit for this exercise. The South Korean president has done much the same, as has Xi in China. And is Donny playing into their hands! Because he has always tried to take credit for other peoples' successes. That's his MO, the biggest mooch in the country.

So with Donny now "invested" in a process he completely doesn't understand (and doesn't want to understand and is incapable of understanding but he pretends he does anyway), if it all goes to hell or even just cements Kim's global status as a viable superpower which he clearly doesn't deserve (the expected option), Donny will get saddled with those negative outcomes as well. Just like happened with the stock market - all the successes are his own work, all the failures are someone else's.

In other words, it's all bluff and bluster for Donny, but you think he's on top of the game. Meanwhile he is being played as an absolute fool by masters of the game. Donny IS the game.
Simply not reality. He will get ALL the credit. Wonít it be fun to watch the left get triggered?
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Simply not reality. He will get ALL the credit. Wonít it be fun to watch the left get triggered?
Conversely, if things don't happen, or if events go sideways he will get ALL the blame.
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Conversely, if things don't happen, or if events go sideways he will get ALL the blame.
But, the loser left will still be triggered.
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Simply not reality. He will get ALL the credit. Wonít it be fun to watch the left get triggered?
It's possible that his chaotic approach to diplomacy actually had an effect on Kim. If so, there ought to be acknowledgment.

Or it's possible that the effect of the meeting is to elevate Kim onto the world stage, with no discernible benefits in terms of security or peace. If so, there ought to be some blame.

It's also possible that things have proceeded well and will continue to do so despite rather than because of Trump. And similarly, they might go tits up despite, not because of, Trump.

There, that's not so hard.
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But, the loser left will still be triggered.
Ooh! Burn!

You've won the intellectual high ground, my friend! Kudos! I'm sure you make your mama and teachers proud.
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It's possible that his chaotic approach to diplomacy actually had an effect on Kim. If so, there ought to be acknowledgment.

Or it's possible that the effect of the meeting is to elevate Kim onto the world stage, with no discernible benefits in terms of security or peace. If so, there ought to be some blame.

It's also possible that things have proceeded well and will continue to do so despite rather than because of Trump. And similarly, they might go tits up despite, not because of, Trump.

There, that's not so hard.
You seem to be trying very hard to not give him credit. His style isn’t chaotic, it’s perfectly matched to deal with these kinds of leaders. His style and the loser Obama couldn’t be more different. Remember lead from behind, Obama’s signature plan to deal with countries of the world?

As the left continues to try and mitigate the incredible accomplishments he is getting done, reality and the facts will prevail, peoples eyes will be opened to what a get it done business person is able to accomplish. I mean seriously, it’s not that hard to go up against loser government “workers”and show them how things get done.
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...As the left continues to try and mitigate the incredible accomplishments he is getting done, reality and the facts will prevail, peoples eyes will be opened to what a get it done business person is able to accomplish...
Still waiting on those incredible accomplishments to mitigate!
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You seem to be trying very hard to not give him credit. His style isnít chaotic, itís perfectly matched to deal with these kinds of leaders. His style and the loser Obama couldnít be more different. Remember lead from behind, Obamaís signature plan to deal with countries of the world?

As the left continues to try and mitigate the incredible accomplishments he is getting done, reality and the facts will prevail, peoples eyes will be opened to what a get it done business person is able to accomplish. I mean seriously, itís not that hard to go up against loser government ďworkersĒand show them how things get done.
Thereís not a serious word in this post.
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Ooh! Burn!

You've won the intellectual high ground, my friend! Kudos! I'm sure you make your mama and teachers proud.
What would Fred Rodgers think?
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As the left continues to try and mitigate the incredible accomplishments he is getting done,
The indictments of his staff?
The inability to get most legislation through?
The loss of face and influence in the world?
The normalization of corruption and nepotism?
The seeming inability to be anything but an arrogant liar when dealing with people?

Are those really accomplishments that should be touted?

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reality and the facts will prevail,
If he can get North Korea to act reasonably (ie. not threaten war every 33 minutes) then history may give him some credit. Not all the credit, some is due to the other side of the table. But we can give him an "Attaboy."

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Having looked at his previous history I cannot see him as a "get it done" businessman. His business ventures have generally not been as successful as he makes them out to be (his hotels), failures (Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka), or frauds (Trump U). I see him as a shameless huckster and salesman. If he and Herb Tarlek exchanged fathers he'd be wearing a loud checked suit and be selling airtime for WKRP and trying to hit on Loni Anderson, or used cars from "Honest Don's Vehicles of the World" lot.

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I mean seriously, itís not that hard to go up against loser government ďworkersĒand show them how things get done.
I'm not seeing him accomplishing anything - the border wall doesn't have anything approaching funding, the renegotiation of NAFTA isn't going the way he touted it, coal isn't coming back and the his cabinet picks (with the notable exception of Mattis) seem to be saying, "Corruption in government? Hold my beer and watch this!"
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Still waiting on those incredible accomplishments to mitigate!
He's 'upsetting' the left. That's it. That's the accomplishment.
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But, the loser left will still be triggered.
Well, you achieve having this thread's "left" triggered all by your own, which was your only goal. Kudos!

That happens because you're much better than them in street tactics, alley setups and all the like. What do they know? They're intellectuals, the kind you clearly despise and cannot match.

There's a clear merit of Trump here: his tariffs on Chinese goods. North Korea now is "negotiable" and certainly in the Chinese-Usaian table. So that forced Kim Jong-Il to up the ante. He's proposition of peace in his way to get again control of the situation. In this negotiation either the US is a guest or the culprit of its failure.

Don't forget the win-win situation: Kim and Trump slamming the door and both gaining strategic points; Trump's, just electoral; Kim's, having South Korea leaning a bit towards him.

No North Korean nuclear weapons will be harm in this process.
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He's 'upsetting' the left. That's it. That's the accomplishment.
Would that annoying the opposition were the most notable accomplishment of every presidency.
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Well, you achieve having this thread's "left" triggered all by your own, which was your only goal. Kudos!
Every person from the right here has that effect.
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That happens because you're much better than them in street tactics, alley setups and all the like. What do they know? They're intellectuals, the kind you clearly despise and cannot match.

There's a clear merit of Trump here: his tariffs on Chinese goods. North Korea now is "negotiable" and certainly in the Chinese-Usaian table. So that forced Kim Jong-Il to up the ante. He's proposition of peace in his way to get again control of the situation. In this negotiation either the US is a guest or the culprit of its failure.

Don't forget the win-win situation: Kim and Trump slamming the door and both gaining strategic points; Trump's, just electoral; Kim's, having South Korea leaning a bit towards him.

No North Korean nuclear weapons will be harm in this process.
Lol, yeah many here sure think they are. Iím not sure how you can say that in light of all the threads melting down over Trump. And I surely donít despise them.
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Sometimes.

I admit I loathe Trump. He is a despicable bastard.

I was disappointed in McCain in 2008, didn't care for Romney, thought W was a disaster, but didn't hate any of them. Not even W, not even after Iraq. I thought it was ridiculous that he was reelected, but I didn't hate him.
Trump is the first president I can remember since I started voting that I have complete and total contempt for. Even W had some redeeming features,but Trump has none.
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He's 'upsetting' the left. That's it. That's the accomplishment.
Bingo.
It's not abput fiscal policy,or the proper size and role of government, or other issues which are legitimate debating points...it all over sticking it to the other side.
Sad thing is I have seen people on the left do exactly the same thing.I am not plyaing the whattabout game here, but pointing out a sad fact.
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Trump is the first president I can remember since I started voting that I have complete and total contempt for. Even W had some redeeming features,but Trump has none.
I had that for Nixon, and I had voted for him! But even he had more redeeming qualities than Trump. Wasn't trying to enrich himself by being President, for one thing.
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Old 19th April 2018, 03:16 PM   #316
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He's 'upsetting' the left. That's it. That's the accomplishment.
I wouldnít consider that an accomplishment, simply because itís so easy to do.
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Old 19th April 2018, 03:18 PM   #317
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump is the first president I can remember since I started voting that I have complete and total contempt for. Even W had some redeeming features,but Trump has none.
On this board, if you don't hate the guy you are assumed to be a Trump sycophant who won't admit it. The truth is though that there actually is room in the middle. Yes, I agree with most of the colorful adjectives employed against him, at the same time, I don't think he is completely bereft of redeeming qualities. For example, it could be that his aggressive, blowhard persona is what is needed to deal with the likes of Kim.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
I wouldnít consider that an accomplishment, simply because itís so easy to do.
Being a horrible president, and no self control should upset and disappoint anyone. But not the far right. They applaud it. Chaos. Followers of the Morningstar.
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Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
On this board, if you don't hate the guy you are assumed to be a Trump sycophant who won't admit it. The truth is though that there actually is room in the middle. Yes, I agree with most of the colorful adjectives employed against him, at the same time, I don't think he is completely bereft of redeeming qualities. For example, it could be that his aggressive, blowhard persona is what is needed to deal with the likes of Kim.
That would be a happy accident, not a redeeming feature. Trump remains an agressive blowhard and an all-round contemptible guy.
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Being a horrible president, and no self control should upset and disappoint anyone. But not the far right. They applaud it. Chaos. Followers of the Morningstar.
The 42nd was no different.

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