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For the solipsistic presentist, entering the quantum teleporter is a no-brainer, even if the quantum teleporter doesn't produce identical clones.
This is because for the solipsistic presentist his notion of spatio-temporality is resolutely empirical and pertains only to the structure of his observations and not to any unverifiable "subject" of experience, which for him is a mere figure of speech rather than a meaningful hypothesis. |
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You are caught up in "existence". If existence is a process in time, space and other senses, then different space doesn't necessarily mean different senses.
At the time of duplication the time and other senses are the same, hence at the moment they (A and B) are same. A is A or A = A, yet in time and space when you read A is A time passes so the first A is not the second A, so A is not A. Nice ![]() |
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Yes, in the sense that solipsism really designates a diverse family of ontological and epistemological positions, where the main thing they have in common is that first-person experiential verification chairs their tribunal of reason, as opposed to third-person testimony.
Actually this is nonsense, since the solipsist might be of the opinion that the outcome of entering a quantum teleporter isn't meaningful to imagine. Perhaps i should have said that the solipsistic presentist would have no reason to fear quantum teleportation for the same reason he has no metaphysical reason to fear actions that precipitate his own death, yet in both cases he still needs a good reason for bringing about either state. |
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The problem is the killing, not the duplication.
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*Shrugs* Sure.
Two "me's" isn't the existential crisis for me it is for others. Right now "Me" is a useful concept to have to describe the 190lb meat sack with the 3lb sack of grey matter in its skull that maintains my mental process. If this thing was replicated exactly I don't exactly get why I would get to be "me" and the other wouldn't. But again... we've been literally trying to get this concept across to Jabba for 5 years now so... |
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If the brain/body with memories, cognition, emotions are the same at the duplication they are the same person expect for spacetime being different. Over time they can diverge and become more like identical twins, but for some of their memories and so on, they are the same.
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Of course.
I can imagine a scenario where, from my perspective, I was setting myself up in a blue room to get duplicated, and I was told my duplicate will awaken in a yellow room, and I "come to" in a yellow room myself, and I can meet "the other me" who never left the blue room. In that situation, I'd be the duplicate, and my existence actually started with "coming to" in the yellow room. It would be disturbing, but true that I was "just" a duplicate. |
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If you mean that one(A) retain the before duplication self and the other (B) not, then no. There is no self without being caused by a brain. And since what causes the self is not spacetime as such but the brain, at the time of the duplication you have 2 versions of the self separated in spacetime, but the same self because the brains are same for memories, cognition and so on.
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The self would be duplicated, but the first person perspective you have now would stick with the physical body you're in now.
Hell, for all we know, aliens are making copies of us and sticking the copies on distant planets all the time and we here are none the wiser. Or maybe during the night last night earth was destroyed and we were cloned and stuck in a simulation and we're the clones and don't know it, and the real versions of us are dead. lol |
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Of course it is. For one thing it is science fiction for now. So how can we know how we will interact with it?
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