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Old 15th September 2017, 02:02 AM   #1
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Explosion on London Underground train (while not underground)

BBC News: Parsons Green - Injuries after London Tube train blast

"London Underground passengers have been injured following an explosion on a District Line train in south-west London.

Police and paramedics were called at 08:20 BST (07:20 GMT) on Friday to Parsons Green station in Fulham.

Pictures show a white bucket on fire inside a supermarket bag, but does not appear to show extensive damage to the inside of the Tube train carriage [sic].

Witnesses described seeing at least one passenger with facial injuries.

Others have spoken of "panic" as alarmed passengers left the train at Parsons Green station."
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Old 15th September 2017, 02:16 AM   #2
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It looks more like a failed explosion to me.

(BTW Between 55% and 58% of the Underground is above ground, depending on whom you ask.)
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Met Police declare terrorist incident.
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It looks more like a failed explosion to me.
Yes, albeit a bit "less failed" than the 21 July 2005 attempts.
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
Trump has twatted, if it helps....
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
Didn't you read that Mrs. May forbade us to speculate? Or was that only directed at Orange Turd?

It seems like the UK, specifically London, drew the short straw this year at terrorism HQ. Good to hear there's no lethal casualties.
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Trump has twatted, if it helps....
Its Not the Crime Its the Covefefe Up That's News
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
I've only just heard about it, tbh. Been busy all day so didn't really check the news. Hope they catch the scummy little twat(s).
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
That's what I thought this morning when the NYT online had the story about the bombing below the story about the introduction of new ipad app, something about the Amish, and two stories on the glory of immigration.
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That's what I thought this morning when the NYT online had the story about the bombing below the story about the introduction of new ipad app, something about the Amish, and two stories on the glory of immigration.
"An acceptable level of violence" (as they used to say about Northern Ireland).

The new normal. Best not to think about it. And certainly don't speculate or point fingers! (And if you absolutely must vent or get onto someone about it, let it be Trump).
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Not much activity on this thread considering the subject. Maybe terror attacks are losing their "newsworthyness" and becoming routine part of life?
Have they ever not been since the 60s? Well we perhaps had an hiatus around 2000.
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"An acceptable level of violence" (as they used to say about Northern Ireland).

The new normal. Best not to think about it. And certainly don't speculate or point fingers! (And if you absolutely must vent or get onto someone about it, let it be Trump).
Jeez, yeah right........

It leads the news here, despite there being no serious injuries. The thing didn't go off properly, no-one was hurt much, no-one has been caught, no-one has claimed responsibility. What do you want us to do, shut London down? Sound the air raid sirens? Ban incoming flights?
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Have they ever not been since the 60s? Well we perhaps had an hiatus around 2000.
Well, five terror attacks in 2017 seems a bit higher than in past years. And this attack seems to be resulting in yawns on the forum, rather than discussion.

Using activity on this forum as a tracker for whether something is shockingly newsworthy or numbingly routine:

We’ve got:

1- Westminster attack – 409 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

2- Arianna Grande Concert Explosions – 645 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

3- London Bridge Terrorist Attack – 626 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

4- Another van attack – 499 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

5- Firebomb on tube – 13 posts


It seems that this forum has decided to shrug; c’est la vie dans le big city.
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Jeez, yeah right........

It leads the news here, despite there being no serious injuries. The thing didn't go off properly, no-one was hurt much, no-one has been caught, no-one has claimed responsibility. What do you want us to do, shut London down? Sound the air raid sirens? Ban incoming flights?
I'm talking about the reaction on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
Well, five terror attacks in 2017 seems a bit higher than in past years. And this attack seems to be resulting in yawns on the forum, rather than discussion.

Using activity on this forum as a tracker for whether something is shockingly newsworthy or numbingly routine:

We’ve got:

1- Westminster attack – 409 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

2- Arianna Grande Concert Explosions – 645 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

3- London Bridge Terrorist Attack – 626 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

4- Another van attack – 499 posts
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ight=uk+terror

5- Firebomb on tube – 13 posts


It seems that this forum has decided to shrug; c’est la vie dans le big city.

Which big city?
You know that London and Manchester are not the same place, I presume?
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Well, five terror attacks in 2017 seems a bit higher than in past years. And this attack seems to be resulting in yawns on the forum, rather than discussion.

U
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There have been more than 5 this year.
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There have been more than 5 this year.
I was thinking of the UK. Apologies for not spelling that out for you or MikeG.
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I was thinking of the UK. Apologies for not spelling that out for you or MikeG.
So was I.
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So was I.
Well, don't be coy. What did I miss?

( I just did a google - yahoo news seems to agree with me: "The incident in south-west London – where at least 22 people were taken to hospital after a bucket apparently exploded on a London Underground train – is the fifth major attack on the UK in the past nine months.")
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Well, don't be coy. What did I miss?..snip..
Off the top of my head here is one from the start of the year:

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/0...-derry-945355/

Can't even find a thread about that bomb on the forum!
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There was an Isis bomb in a restaurant in Iraq a couple of days ago which killed 50 people and injured many more. That was never reported by ITV or any other monopoly media outlet. That's what will be coming to this country unless these Sunni Islamic extremists are not informed in no uncertain terms that murdering people is morally wrong. I suppose it gives the police overtime money, and MI5 additional public spending money, to be paid for by closing all the libraries and public toilets and leaving the unemployed and disabled to live on air.
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Two people now arrested:

Parsons Green: Second arrest over Tube bombing - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41298116
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Trump has twatted, if it helps....
It never helps.

I see he was (rather guardedly) chided by May for blabbing that the police believed they knew the perp's identity while they were still hunting him.

Makes you wonder about the dilemma faced by anyone sharing intelligence, and not just other countries sharing with the US but American agencies up the chain, if there's a risk that any choice morsel that reaches Trump will instantly be tweeted to the world like so much gossip.
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Two people now arrested:

Parsons Green: Second arrest over Tube bombing - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41298116
One of them was released, one of them, the 18-year-old, has now been charged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41363943
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One of them was released, one of them, the 18-year-old, has now been charged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41363943
It seems rather misleading of the bbc to describe him as from sunbury, surrey instead of an Iraqi refugee.
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It seems rather misleading of the bbc to describe him as from sunbury, surrey instead of an Iraqi refugee.
"Of" and "from" are different words, and describing someone as "of" a place is the normal language used to describe their place of residence; Sunbury is where he lives. I haven't seen a source yet that identifies him as an Iraqi refugee; where does that information come from?

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"Of" and "from" are different words, and describing someone as "of" a place is the normal language used to describe their place of residence; Sunbury is where he lives. I haven't seen a source yet that identifies him as an Iraqi refugee; where does that information come from?

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The post above yours.
Giz didn't exactly give a source for his claim, but according to the Independent, Ahmed Hassan is indeed an Iraqi refugee.
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Giz didn't exactly give a source for his claim, but according to the Independent, Ahmed Hassan is indeed an Iraqi refugee.
Based on that, one might suggest that it's also misleading, albeit by omission, to describe him as "an Iraqi refugee" if he is, indeed, a Kurdish Iraqi refugee.

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It seems rather misleading of the bbc to describe him as from sunbury, surrey instead of an Iraqi refugee.
The British are a good natured and charitable folk. I admire their willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and treat them as a fully assimilated citizen of their fair isles.

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Dave Rogers has already explained that, where I'm from and where I live now are different things.

Of more surprise to our USA viewers might be the fact that no one has been shot. Not even a flesh wound. Disappointing I know.
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The British are a good natured and charitable folk. I admire their willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and treat them as a fully assimilated citizen of their fair isles.

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Quite so. What we should be focusing on is not refugees or assimilation but tweets that point out our failures. We should ignore the uncomfortable rather than learn from it. Ignorance is strength!
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Based on that, one might suggest that it's also misleading, albeit by omission, to describe him as "an Iraqi refugee" if he is, indeed, a Kurdish Iraqi refugee.

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No, I think you're mistaken. The article first discusses Hassan and the other suspect, now released, from Surrey, SE England. Halfway, the article goes on to discuss three other suspects that have been arrested in Newport, Wales. Those latter are Kurdish.

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No, I think you're mistaken. The article first discusses Hassan and the other suspect, now released, from Surrey, SE England. Halfway, the article goes on to discuss three other suspects that have been arrested in Newport, Wales. Those latter are Kurdish.
You're right, I misread that. It seemed a little odd, I must admit; Ahmed Hassan doesn't sound like a Kurdish name. My mistake.

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It seems rather misleading of the bbc to describe him as from sunbury, surrey instead of an Iraqi refugee.
That's the standard way that suspects are described in relation to their home address, or not, in which case it will be, "... of no fixed address." If I got copped for anything, I'd expect to be described as, "... of Lewisham," not "... of Hull."
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That's the standard way that suspects are described in relation to their home address, or not, in which case it will be, "... of no fixed address." If I got copped for anything, I'd expect to be described as, "... of Lewisham," not "... of Hull."
Seriously? Moving from hull to Lewisham is equivalent to moving from Iraq to surrey? Especially as regards to the recent spate of terrorist attacks?
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Seriously? Moving from hull to Lewisham is equivalent to moving from Iraq to surrey?
Wow, there's a lot of straw flying around here.

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Seriously? Moving from hull to Lewisham is equivalent to moving from Iraq to surrey? Especially as regards to the recent spate of terrorist attacks?
Originally Posted by fagin View Post
Dave Rogers has already explained that, where I'm from and where I live now are different things.

Of more surprise to our USA viewers might be the fact that no one has been shot. Not even a flesh wound. Disappointing I know.
Do at least try to keep up.
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