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I'm not the kind of fisherman who color coordinates his fishing gear. A wooden stick is wood colored, even if someone has gone to the trouble of carving a handle and drilling a hole for a wrist strap.
People carry ****. Carrying **** while talking is not illegal. That cops can't properly handle people carrying **** while walking and talking is major failing of the cops, not the people who can carry **** walk and talk. If you really think this is a good outcome, that this should be taught as best practices and not used a point that we can improve from, then we just view life differently. Police need to get better at their jobs before every jurisdiction is bankrupted by their incompetence. |
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All of the sudden a jogging club is a thing. Okay I won't even argue that.
Mark it brightly, just like they do with most other things that could be seen as a weapon. The guy was deaf not blind he could work a spray paint can. And if that doesn't work, drop the thing when someone points a gun at you. I've been there, unless you are intending combat drop anything and go prone. |
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No, I posted that the recommendations for me, at well over 6 feet, went from 2.3 to 2.5 for the kind of cane one pushes down on. Not that 2.3 feet was the minimum and applied to people of more normal height. More so, what I posted was specifically in reaction to your blanket statement that a 2 foot stick could not possibly be a walking cane for anyone but a pigmy. It could have been a walking aid. Or equally it could have been a stick that, as described up thread, the guy used to gesture, to point, and as protection against dogs.
The big question of course is does having a stick of any kind in your hands (in this case in front of one's own house) justify being shot to death by the police What if one is a plumber? Or just returned from baseball practice? Or carrying a broomstick? I've carried (even swung) sticks, pipes, rods, and poles of all kinds, widths, and lengths in public in areas near and far from my own home- was I risking my life each time should a LEO see me and feel threatened? Would being deaf and unable to respond to police commands as this guy justify me being shot? And remember- this guy hadn't committed any crime and the neighbors were trying to tell the cops that he was deaf. As I indicated upthread facts may be revealed with time that provide a stronger justification for the cop shooting this guy. Okay - I haven't formed a permanent conclusion and I will be happy to modify it. But for now, based on the information currently available to us, it appears that yet another innocent person was killed by a jumpy cop. I seem to remember growing up that cops took pride in being emotionally strong and brave- ha that changed? |
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American police routinely carry (and use) handguns.
I think that's the main difference that is relevant. I would not even think of approaching a cop in the USA with a pipe made into a weapon. The pipe made into a weapon might even be illegal where this happened, but I have not checked. |
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Do you assume that everyone who doesn't do as they are told immediately is attempting to get into position to murder you?
My image is of a situation where many people were telling the cops that he was deaf and couldn't understand them. Which is what actually happened. Not this weird combat fantasy you seem to have. |
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Parcher,
You are distorting the descriptions to try to justify your reflexive defense of the cop. "ambled toward the cops..." Ambled is not threatening: "amble [am-buh l] to go at a slow, easy pace; stroll; saunter: He ambled around the town." "He had it in his right hand and was holding it up" Up as opposed to what? Up over his head as if to strike? Or up at chest or waist height as one might often do when carrying a stick or using it to gesture? |
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http://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma...ection-21-1272
Looks like carrying the metal billy club is likely illegal, although it's a misdemeanor. |
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So we agree that a person with a pipe is the same anywhere? It is just that US cops are more deadly?
Don't you think that is kind of awful? No one is asking the cops to lie back and be killed here. But they could have listened to the neighbours or tased him or backed up. Also, out of curiosity is it the strap that makes it a weapon? I have never dealt with any weapons other than knives and hammers. |
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You know this for sure? I mean, it was night. You knew that though, didn't you? You wouldn't have just jumped to conclusions, and just automatically defended police killing people, would you. How was the scene lit? Were the police holding torches, relying on headlights, what? How do you think this may have affected the ability of their victim to determine who was invading and threatening his home?
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