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BDBoop · 22nd September 2019, 01:15 AM

I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on.

Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.

dann · 22nd September 2019, 04:40 AM

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=288439
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=176868
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=161229

BDBoop · 22nd September 2019, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by dann

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=288439
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=176868
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=161229

Thank you so much.

Nova Land · 23rd September 2019, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on.

Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.

One way to find the earliest thread on a topic is to do a tag search. In this case, for example, you could do a tag search for Amanda Knox. That turns up 52 different threads about Amanda Knox, going as far back as one from 2007 Social Issues and Current Events, and it includes all 29 installments of the Trials and Errors series.

One simple way to do a tag search is to find a thread on the topic you're interested in (such as any installment of the Amanda Knox series in Trials and Errors,), look at it's tags (found at the top of each page of the thread), and click one you think will be on other threads you're interested (such as the Amanda Knox tag, which should be included on any thread where she's a focus on the discussion).

The other way to do it is to click on the Tags button (on the menu line at the top of each page when you're logged in) and enter the term you want to search for.

If you're looking for threads about a particular person, the tag would be the person's full name -- first name and last name, not simply their last name -- so in this case you'd enter Amanda Knox, and then click to search. That, again, will turn up the list of 52 threads about Amanda Knox.

Obviously, this only works if the threads you are looking for (a) have been tagged and (b) have been tagged correctly. So it's not a perfect method. Still, it often will help you find what you're looking for -- and, in the case of Amanda Knox threads, it works pretty well.

abaddon · 23rd September 2019, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on.

Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.

Interesting fact about search results. The default result set is limited to 275 results ordered by most recent first.

However, one can chose "earliest first" as an option in "Advanced Search" which results in the oldest 275 matches.

RoseMontague · 24th September 2019, 04:31 AM

I see you were already helped on this one and that cartwheel thread is a good starting point. That's some serious word count to read. I wonder how many thousands of posts have been moved to AAH over the years. Probably a plethora in places like FM as well.

BDBoop · 24th September 2019, 12:51 PM

Thanks, all!

The thing is, there's a book out which I've just purchased, Trial by Fury. So once I read it, I want to see what they are talking about. I'd seen the threads always at the top every time I swing through - so I figured this was a logical place to start.

rjh01 · 24th September 2019, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by RoseMontague

I see you were already helped on this one and that cartwheel thread is a good starting point. That's some serious word count to read. I wonder how many thousands of posts have been moved to AAH over the years. Probably a plethora in places like FM as well.

I cannot find many threads on the topic in AAH. However did find this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ag=Amanda+Knox

It gives all (read most of) the threads on the topic.

RoseMontague · 25th September 2019, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

I cannot find many threads on the topic in AAH. However did find this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ag=Amanda+Knox

It gives all (read most of) the threads on the topic.

Many of the AAH threads are here....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25

RoseMontague · 25th September 2019, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

Thanks, all!

The thing is, there's a book out which I've just purchased, Trial by Fury. So once I read it, I want to see what they are talking about. I'd seen the threads always at the top every time I swing through - so I figured this was a logical place to start.

I've read the Monster of Florence book which is related (by nature of the prosecutor) to the Knox case but not that one. The discussion here was just part of the internet wide flame wars. Many of the websites hosting the discussions are now long gone.

Nova Land · 25th September 2019, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by RoseMontague

Many of the AAH threads are here....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25

No, that link won't help others see what your search turned up. In order to see the list of AAH threads they'll need to do the search themselves.

To do that:

(1) Click the Search button in the menu line which appears along the top of the page when one is logged in to ISF.

(2) A search box pop-up will appear. Inside it, about midway down, one of the options it gives is Advanced Search. Click on that.

(3) That opens the advanced search page. In the keyword box at top left, enter Amanda (or Knox). Directly below, click to select search entire posts (rather than search titles only) In the Search in Forums section on the right, go down the list until you find Abandon All Hope (directly below Sports) and click to select it. And in the Show Results As box at the very bottom left, select Threads.

(4) All right, now you're all set. Click on Search Now. That should turn up 213 AAH threads in which the word Amanda appears (or 212 in which the word Knox appears).

(Some of these are threads about other topics in which Amanda Knox got mentioned, such as the thread about Elizabeth Warren's ancestry, but most of these are splits from Amanda Knox threads.)

RoseMontague · 25th September 2019, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Nova Land

No, that link won't help others see what your search turned up. In order to see the list of AAH threads they'll need to do the search themselves.

To do that:

(1) Click the Search button in the menu line which appears along the top of the page when one is logged in to ISF.

(2) A search box pop-up will appear. Inside it, about midway down, one of the options it gives is Advanced Search. Click on that.

(3) That opens the advanced search page. In the keyword box at top left, enter Amanda (or Knox). Directly below, click to select search entire posts (rather than search titles only) In the Search in Forums section on the right, go down the list until you find Abandon All Hope (directly below Sports) and click to select it. And in the Show Results As box at the very bottom left, select Threads.

(4) All right, now you're all set. Click on Search Now. That should turn up 213 AAH threads in which the word Amanda appears (or 212 in which the word Knox appears).

(Some of these are threads about other topics in which Amanda Knox got mentioned, such as the thread about Elizabeth Warren's ancestry, but most of these are splits from Amanda Knox threads.)

Hey, thanks ⬆

Myriad · 25th September 2019, 09:09 AM

When I went looking for those early Knox threads a few months ago, I remembered that a cartwheel figured prominently in the early discussion. "Cartwheel" made a good search term.

Finding a word that's likely to occur in the target but rarely used generally, to narrow down the search, is the soul of search fu. In the early days of online retail I once wanted to find instructional video tapes for playing pool. But "pool video" was useless for searching because both words apply to a wide variety of things, and things like "instructional" and "game" and "how to play" weren't any help. The key to finding what I wanted was "billiards." Lesson learned, and well applied in the years since.

rjh01 · 25th September 2019, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by RoseMontague

Many of the AAH threads are here....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25

In my search I can find only three threads, which only one is split from the mega thread. I did search only the titles in AAH, so any posts where she was only mentioned would not appear.

Nova Land · 25th September 2019, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

In my search I can find only three threads, which only one is split from the mega thread. I did search only the titles in AAH, so any posts where she was only mentioned would not appear.

Yes, if you select the search title only option, only 3 of the many AAH threads turn up. I don't know why the search does not work properly for search by title, but it doesn't.

Here are some of the AAH Amanda Knox threads which do not show up if one selects the search titles only option, even though (as you can see) the word Amanda definitely is part of these thread titles. (Some of these threads have the same title -- since they were split off the same thread -- so I've included the posting date to help make it clear that these are all different AAH threads.)

The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 17-09-2017)
Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 26-08-2019)
Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 25-07-2019)
Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 28 (from 09-05-2019)
Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 28 (from 01-09-2018)

... and many many more!

In addition to not turning up these AAH threads which were split off the Amanda Knox-titled threads and thus have Amanda in the AAH titles, a search on titles only also omits a number of Amanda Knox threads which don't have her name in the title. For example:

As I noted before, there are more than 200 AAH threads which will turn up in the search. Some contain only a passing reference to Amanda Knox (as a way to mock or insult regarding some other topic) but the large majority of these are threads which were split off of discussions about the Amanda Knox case.

rjh01 · 26th September 2019, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Nova Land

Yes, if you select the search title only option, only 3 of the many AAH threads turn up. I don't know why the search does not work properly for search by title, but it doesn't.
<snip>

As I noted before, there are more than 200 AAH threads which will turn up in the search. Some contain only a passing reference to Amanda Knox (as a way to mock or insult regarding some other topic) but the large majority of these are threads which were split off of discussions about the Amanda Knox case.

That is real strange. I can do a search on the title in all forums and get all the parts, but not the splits in AAH. I can also find heaps of threads by searching for the name in the posts in AAH.

Lothian · 20th November 2019, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on.

Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.

If you have an urge to go back through all the Amanda Knox threads you will really need professional help from a psychiatrist as opposed to from amateurs on a web forum.

Gord_in_Toronto · 27th April 2020, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lothian

If you have an urge to go back through all the Amanda Knox threads you will really need professional help from a psychiatrist as opposed to from amateurs on a web forum.

I assumed BDBoop was doing some sort of psychological research on the participants in the Thread that Shall Not be Named. I've been monitoring this thread to see if he(she) has returned to post his(her) results. Nothing yet, so possibly she(he) is still working his way through the posts.

CORed · 9th July 2020, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on.

Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.

You could try searching for "cartwheel".

22nd September 2019, 01:15 AM	#1
BDBoop Modest Goddess Join Date: May 2013 Location: On the net Posts: 730	Search not successful I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on. Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated.
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22nd September 2019, 04:40 AM	#2
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22nd September 2019, 06:07 PM	#3
BDBoop Modest Goddess Join Date: May 2013 Location: On the net Posts: 730	Originally Posted by dann http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=288439 http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=176868 http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=161229 Thank you so much.
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23rd September 2019, 01:52 PM	#5
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,216	Originally Posted by BDBoop I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on. Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated. Interesting fact about search results. The default result set is limited to 275 results ordered by most recent first. However, one can chose "earliest first" as an option in "Advanced Search" which results in the oldest 275 matches.
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24th September 2019, 12:51 PM	#7
BDBoop Modest Goddess Join Date: May 2013 Location: On the net Posts: 730	Thanks, all! The thing is, there's a book out which I've just purchased, Trial by Fury. So once I read it, I want to see what they are talking about. I'd seen the threads always at the top every time I swing through - so I figured this was a logical place to start.
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23rd September 2019, 10:02 AM	#4
Nova Land / Tagger Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whitleyville, TN, surrounded by cats Posts: 5,967	Originally Posted by BDBoop I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on. Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated. One way to find the earliest thread on a topic is to do a tag search. In this case, for example, you could do a tag search for Amanda Knox. That turns up 52 different threads about Amanda Knox, going as far back as one from 2007 Social Issues and Current Events, and it includes all 29 installments of the Trials and Errors series. One simple way to do a tag search is to find a thread on the topic you're interested in (such as any installment of the Amanda Knox series in Trials and Errors,), look at it's tags (found at the top of each page of the thread), and click one you think will be on other threads you're interested (such as the Amanda Knox tag, which should be included on any thread where she's a focus on the discussion). The other way to do it is to click on the Tags button (on the menu line at the top of each page when you're logged in) and enter the term you want to search for. If you're looking for threads about a particular person, the tag would be the person's full name -- first name and last name, not simply their last name -- so in this case you'd enter Amanda Knox, and then click to search. That, again, will turn up the list of 52 threads about Amanda Knox. Obviously, this only works if the threads you are looking for (a) have been tagged and (b) have been tagged correctly. So it's not a perfect method. Still, it often will help you find what you're looking for -- and, in the case of Amanda Knox threads, it works pretty well.

24th September 2019, 04:31 AM	#6
RoseMontague Published Author Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Elon, NC Posts: 7,276	I see you were already helped on this one and that cartwheel thread is a good starting point. That's some serious word count to read. I wonder how many thousands of posts have been moved to AAH over the years. Probably a plethora in places like FM as well.

24th September 2019, 11:48 PM	#8
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 26,415	Originally Posted by RoseMontague I see you were already helped on this one and that cartwheel thread is a good starting point. That's some serious word count to read. I wonder how many thousands of posts have been moved to AAH over the years. Probably a plethora in places like FM as well. I cannot find many threads on the topic in AAH. However did find this http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ag=Amanda+Knox It gives all (read most of) the threads on the topic.
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25th September 2019, 01:41 AM	#9
RoseMontague Published Author Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Elon, NC Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by rjh01 I cannot find many threads on the topic in AAH. However did find this http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ag=Amanda+Knox It gives all (read most of) the threads on the topic. Many of the AAH threads are here.... http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25

25th September 2019, 01:45 AM	#10
RoseMontague Published Author Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Elon, NC Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by BDBoop Thanks, all! The thing is, there's a book out which I've just purchased, Trial by Fury. So once I read it, I want to see what they are talking about. I'd seen the threads always at the top every time I swing through - so I figured this was a logical place to start. I've read the Monster of Florence book which is related (by nature of the prosecutor) to the Knox case but not that one. The discussion here was just part of the internet wide flame wars. Many of the websites hosting the discussions are now long gone.

25th September 2019, 06:31 AM	#11
Nova Land / Tagger Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whitleyville, TN, surrounded by cats Posts: 5,967	Originally Posted by RoseMontague Many of the AAH threads are here.... http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25 No, that link won't help others see what your search turned up. In order to see the list of AAH threads they'll need to do the search themselves. To do that: (1) Click the Search button in the menu line which appears along the top of the page when one is logged in to ISF. (2) A search box pop-up will appear. Inside it, about midway down, one of the options it gives is Advanced Search. Click on that. (3) That opens the advanced search page. In the *keyword* box at top left, enter Amanda (or Knox). Directly below, click to select search entire posts (rather than search titles only) In the *Search in Forums* section on the right, go down the list until you find Abandon All Hope (directly below Sports) and click to select it. And in the *Show Results As* box at the very bottom left, select Threads. (4) All right, now you're all set. Click on Search Now. That should turn up 213 AAH threads in which the word Amanda appears (or 212 in which the word Knox appears). (Some of these are threads about other topics in which Amanda Knox got mentioned, such as the thread about Elizabeth Warren's ancestry, but most of these are splits from Amanda Knox threads.)

25th September 2019, 08:47 AM	#12
RoseMontague Published Author Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Elon, NC Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by Nova Land No, that link won't help others see what your search turned up. In order to see the list of AAH threads they'll need to do the search themselves. To do that: (1) Click the Search button in the menu line which appears along the top of the page when one is logged in to ISF. (2) A search box pop-up will appear. Inside it, about midway down, one of the options it gives is Advanced Search. Click on that. (3) That opens the advanced search page. In the *keyword* box at top left, enter Amanda (or Knox). Directly below, click to select search entire posts (rather than search titles only) In the *Search in Forums* section on the right, go down the list until you find Abandon All Hope (directly below Sports) and click to select it. And in the *Show Results As* box at the very bottom left, select Threads. (4) All right, now you're all set. Click on Search Now. That should turn up 213 AAH threads in which the word Amanda appears (or 212 in which the word Knox appears). (Some of these are threads about other topics in which Amanda Knox got mentioned, such as the thread about Elizabeth Warren's ancestry, but most of these are splits from Amanda Knox threads.) Hey, thanks ⬆

25th September 2019, 09:09 AM	#13
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 17,288	When I went looking for those early Knox threads a few months ago, I remembered that a cartwheel figured prominently in the early discussion. "Cartwheel" made a good search term. Finding a word that's likely to occur in the target but rarely used generally, to narrow down the search, is the soul of search fu. In the early days of online retail I once wanted to find instructional video tapes for playing pool. But "pool video" was useless for searching because both words apply to a wide variety of things, and things like "instructional" and "game" and "how to play" weren't any help. The key to finding what I wanted was "billiards." Lesson learned, and well applied in the years since.
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25th September 2019, 03:26 PM	#14
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 26,415	Originally Posted by RoseMontague Many of the AAH threads are here.... http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=4942730&pp=25 In my search I can find only three threads, which only one is split from the mega thread. I did search only the titles in AAH, so any posts where she was only mentioned would not appear.
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25th September 2019, 05:52 PM	#15
Nova Land / Tagger Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whitleyville, TN, surrounded by cats Posts: 5,967	Originally Posted by rjh01 In my search I can find only three threads, which only one is split from the mega thread. I did search only the titles in AAH, so any posts where she was only mentioned would not appear. Yes, if you select the search title only option, only 3 of the many AAH threads turn up. I don't know why the search does not work properly for search by title, but it doesn't. Here are some of the AAH Amanda Knox threads which do not show up if one selects the *search titles only* option, even though (as you can see) the word Amanda definitely is part of these thread titles. (Some of these threads have the same title -- since they were split off the same thread -- so I've included the posting date to help make it clear that these are all different AAH threads.) The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 17-09-2017) Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 26-08-2019) Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29 (from 25-07-2019) Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 28 (from 09-05-2019) Split From: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 28 (from 01-09-2018) ... and many many more! In addition to not turning up these AAH threads which were split off the Amanda Knox-titled threads and thus have Amanda in the AAH titles, a search on titles only also omits a number of Amanda Knox threads which don't have her name in the title. For example: Split From: Thoughts on the interest in the murder of Meredith Kercher Split From: Apologies, but I still do not get it. Split From: Can the Kerchers and Lumumba unite with Knox and Sollecito against a common enemy? As I noted before, there are more than 200 AAH threads which will turn up in the search. Some contain only a passing reference to Amanda Knox (as a way to mock or insult regarding some other topic) but the large majority of these are threads which were split off of discussions about the Amanda Knox case.
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26th September 2019, 12:30 AM	#16
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 26,415	Originally Posted by Nova Land Yes, if you select the search title only option, only 3 of the many AAH threads turn up. I don't know why the search does not work properly for search by title, but it doesn't. <snip> As I noted before, there are more than 200 AAH threads which will turn up in the search. Some contain only a passing reference to Amanda Knox (as a way to mock or insult regarding some other topic) but the large majority of these are threads which were split off of discussions about the Amanda Knox case. That is real strange. I can do a search on the title in all forums and get all the parts, but not the splits in AAH. I can also find heaps of threads by searching for the name in the posts in AAH.
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20th November 2019, 07:28 AM	#17
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 15,945	Originally Posted by BDBoop I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on. Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated. If you have an urge to go back through all the Amanda Knox threads you will really need professional help from a psychiatrist as opposed to from amateurs on a web forum.

27th April 2020, 06:40 PM	#18
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,176	Originally Posted by Lothian If you have an urge to go back through all the Amanda Knox threads you will really need professional help from a psychiatrist as opposed to from amateurs on a web forum. I assumed BDBoop was doing some sort of psychological research on the participants in the Thread that Shall Not be Named. I've been monitoring this thread to see if he(she) has returned to post his(her) results. Nothing yet, so possibly she(he) is still working his way through the posts.
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9th July 2020, 08:03 AM	#19
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,007	Originally Posted by BDBoop I am trying to find the earliest Amanda Knox thread, but I think the furthest back I saw was number 13. Is there a search term I can use to go back to the very beginning? I’ve always been curious, but never followed through to find out what was going on. Any help offered would be sincerely appreciated. You could try searching for "cartwheel".