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Old 9th July 2020, 05:27 PM   #201
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Think Trump is one of them?
Not if a pardon is promised.
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Old 9th July 2020, 06:23 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Nevertheless, one must pause to wonder why it is that pedophilia is so attractive to them (the various CT wingnuts of this world).
It's replaced the "Communist Conspiracy" theories of the 1930s through the late 1980s. The idea is the slime those who the CTists disagree with with the worst possible label with nothing more that circumstantial allegations.The great 21st Century Pedo-Hunt is a re-dressing of the Statanic Panic of the 80s with many of the same low-lifes involved. The right-wing jerkwater types who spun records backward, looked for alleged Satanic symbols on heavy metal and pop music album covers, and made up clever acronyms like Rush = Right Under Satan's Hand, and KISS = Knights in Satan's Service are now fabricating symbolism and codes for phantom pedophile organizations they envision ruling the world.

In spite of what CTists claim, not a single pedophile ring claimed to exists has ever been exposed and convicted by law enforcement.

Let's talk facts:

You can log into any Federal Central District Office of the Department of Justice and read about successful sex-trafficking rings (domestic and international) being successfully prosecuted.

This is the Los Angeles, California office:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr...ms_per_page=25

The fact is that Human Trafficking rings, and rings specifically dealing in minors exist on an uncomfortably large scale. NONE OF THEM ADVERTISE. There are no symbols, no secret handshakes. They are almost all sub-networks of organized crime entities whose main products are drugs, smuggled weapons, and money laundering services.

CTists ignore these syndicates because they are real with real victims and real dead bodies. They ignore them because reality is ugly.

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As a part-time counsellor, I have seen more of it than I care to think about. I am moved to wonder if it is not simple jealousy. If the wealthy can get away with it, why cannot they?
Maybe. Bringing pedophiles to justice is certainly not part of their game plan. Case in point, our current President once joked about having sex with his daughter on Howard Stern, and openly bragged that the best thing about hosting the "Miss Teen USA" pageant every year was being able to walk into the dressing room to see all of the (under-aged) contestants nude. Qanon (which is really an 8chan scam) is touted by Trump/MAGA supporters because of the endless pedophile CTs they vomit onto the internet. Meanwhile they ignore the fact the current President likes them under age.
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Old 9th July 2020, 06:48 PM   #203
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"Pizzagate" and images of triangles

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Umm. Four?
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Classic.

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Yahweh Equals Satan?

God Evicts No Evil Satan Is Satan?

Evil Lives Perpendicularly?

Forever Really Evilly Evil?

Evil Lives On?

Love Underworld Love Underworld?

Bring On Beelzebub Death You Laud All Necromancers?

It's all in plain sight, innit?

Punish All Underlings Lengthily Satan Immolates Mankind Onanistically Now!

Man, they're all at it!

Death All Violent Images Death Beelzebub Organises World Insurrection of Evil.

Where does it end?

Jump On Yahweh Destroy Inflict Violence Satan Instructs and Orders Now!

I'm on to something here...Rock music is Teh Ebil!

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Old 10th July 2020, 06:05 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Yahweh Equals Satan?

God Evicts No Evil Satan Is Satan?

Evil Lives Perpendicularly?

Forever Really Evilly Evil?

Evil Lives On?

Love Underworld Love Underworld?

Bring On Beelzebub Death You Laud All Necromancers?

It's all in plain sight, innit?

Punish All Underlings Lengthily Satan Immolates Mankind Onanistically Now!

Man, they're all at it!

Death All Violent Images Death Beelzebub Organises World Insurrection of Evil.

Where does it end?

Jump On Yahweh Destroy Inflict Violence Satan Instructs and Orders Now!

I'm on to something here...Rock music is Teh Ebil!
You called?
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Old 10th July 2020, 06:33 AM   #206
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Er, you omitted to mention Jimmy Savile managed to reach the age of 84, two days shy of his 85th birthday without once ever having his collar felt for the child abuse (of really young children) with an estimate of 484 victims. At least.

Has it ever occurred to you his 'charitable good works' gave him free access to children's hospital wards?
Yes, that is the point.
He got a knighthood for his 'good works' and was friends with the 'great and the good'
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Only four accuse him of sexual misconduct? Dang, never mind. My bad. He's OK then.
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything.

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Umm. Four? Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegationsWP
Far fewer than Trump...
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[quote=abaddon;13152440]ORLY? then why does the RCC make it their business to protect such pedos as a matter of policy?
It damages the brand.

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Of course not,
Meh, Bubba hasn't noticed it's no longer 1997 and JP2 is long dead,
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Digital Soldiering, Sir!
Yeah. Oorah! or something.

OP's problem is that having exhausted all other CT notions, OP has finally glommed onto a sufficiently vague CT that it can be perpetuated forever. This is a rather common behaviour. Q is the pinnacle of CTs. Make up any vague crap and one cannot be debunked, because as soon as a skeptic get remotely close to a full on debunk, the goalposts are someplace else.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Yeah. Oorah! or something.

OP's problem is that having exhausted all other CT notions, OP has finally glommed onto a sufficiently vague CT that it can be perpetuated forever. This is a rather common behaviour. Q is the pinnacle of CTs. Make up any vague crap and one cannot be debunked, because as soon as a skeptic get remotely close to a full on debunk, the goalposts are someplace else.
Yes, but tonight the Pedo Brigade struck again on Reddit:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wa...king-children/

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In July 2020, some social media users accused the furniture store Wayfair of trafficking children. This gravely serious accusation was not based on police reports, firsthand accounts, financial records, or deep investigative reporting. Rather, it was based on the fact that some items on Wayfair were listed at exorbitant prices compared to other, similar items.

This rumor appears to have originated on the “conspiracy” section of Reddit on July 9, 2020. That post noted that Wayfair was selling utility closets from WFX that were priced at more than $10,000, and offered child trafficking as a possible explanation. That post, like so many other conspiracy theories, offered this notion as a mere possibility and said that it would be stomach churning “if … true.”
Fighting stupid people is a never ending job.
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Yes, but tonight the Pedo Brigade struck again on Reddit:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wa...king-children/



Fighting stupid people is a never ending job.
But finding them is so damn easy. Unfortunately.
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Abaddon, since AFAIK you're are the only one here with real world experience...

Is it even plausible they would operate how Wayfair has been accused of operating.? Even if Wayfair were unwittingly being used as a platform?

If you had not heard, night lights and throw pillows, and other items, were selling for about 20K.

Searched: "Wayfair has been accused"

https://www.distractify.com/p/wayfair-trafficking

This item was seen scribbled on the wall of a scary tinfoil whackjob hideout cave, down by the river.

https://postimg.cc/sBXwB2Rd
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Whew, that was a close call...

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Is it even plausible they would operate how Wayfair has been accused of operating.?
No, it's completely idiotic.
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But finding them is so damn easy. Unfortunately.
We can thank our lucky stars we have Snopes.

We are wise to trust them !

Forget about those silly 20K throw pillows.
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Sounds like runaway interactions between automatic pricing algorithms, which is something known to happen on sites (like Wayfair) where multiple third-party sellers offer the same item. Here's a breakdown of an instance of the same thing happening on Amazon.
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Sometimes a vendor will change the price on an item out of stock rather than take the ad down until new stock comes in.
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Sounds like runaway interactions between automatic pricing algorithms, which is something known to happen on sites (like Wayfair) where multiple third-party sellers offer the same item. Here's a breakdown of an instance of the same thing happening on Amazon.
My God!! Now you are telling me that Amazon is in on it too? Will Jeffrey Preston Bezos stop at nothing for World Control.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Sometimes a vendor will change the price on an item out of stock rather than take the ad down until new stock comes in.
I''m not disputing that this might happen, but would note that businesses with a little more savvy (and perhaps a little more used to fluctuating stock, such as photo vendors) have figured out a way to print "out of stock" in place of the price, rather than putting their customers off with a crazy price. If this is a software glitch or the like, it seems like a pretty dumb one.

Then again, maybe it's an online version of the old joke about the blind man with a cup of pencils. Man comes up to a blind street vendor with a sign, "Pencils, $1000." The man points out that it's crazy to ask that much for pencils, to which the blind man replies, "Yes, but I'll only have to sell one!"
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Sometimes a vendor will change the price on an item out of stock rather than take the ad down until new stock comes in.
Now you're just talking crazy. Obviously it's part of the Great Pedophile Conspiracy.


On a related, but as-yes triangle free note, we had the GODbothers out today in Dublin.
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This item was seen scribbled on the wall of a scary tinfoil whackjob hideout cave, down by the river.

https://postimg.cc/sBXwB2Rd
Well all the satanic pedo cults out there raping kids and sacrificing them to their dark gods can be with ease if this is how these people are trying to track them down.
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Yahweh Equals Satan?

God Evicts No Evil Satan Is Satan?

Evil Lives Perpendicularly?

Forever Really Evilly Evil?

Evil Lives On?

Love Underworld Love Underworld?

Bring On Beelzebub Death You Laud All Necromancers?

It's all in plain sight, innit?

Punish All Underlings Lengthily Satan Immolates Mankind Onanistically Now!

Man, they're all at it!

Death All Violent Images Death Beelzebub Organises World Insurrection of Evil.

Where does it end?

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Abaddon, since AFAIK you're are the only one here with real world experience...
I doubt that. In any event, knowing what I know, real pedo networks do not operate how you think they do. I have spent a long time writing crypto routines for multiple legimate purposes.Inevitably, this exposes one to some of the darker sides of the web. I have also been involved in researching and exposing RCC bastards that abuse children. So I do have more than a passing familiarity with the matter.

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Is it even plausible they would operate how Wayfair has been accused of operating.? Even if Wayfair were unwittingly being used as a platform?
Given the wild Wayfair claims, no, not even remotely possible. Why would Wayfair allow anonymous internet freaks to set their pricing? Why would they not notice that the value of their inventory had increased by a factor of 10,000? A hacker? Who magically hacked only the website? And Wayfair managed not to notice? Not a chance. These systems are all integrated.

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If you had not heard, night lights and throw pillows, and other items, were selling for about 20K.
Yup. Know what that means? It means they stock goods that range from the budget category to the insanely expensive expensive category. Colour me bored by such a mundane thing. My hex-wife had a thing about really expensive bathroom fittings. She spent obscene money on the most wildly expensive bathroom fittings. I have a different view. Given what a small proportion of your life that is spent in your bathroom, and the activities that occur there such as ablutions and evacuations (ahem), I personally see no particular reason to go beyond strict utilitarianism and the cheapest solution of sufficient quality. Go too cheap and you end up with something that fails in a week.

So what? I have bought and continue to buy all manner of tools, equipment, software, whatever. I could buy cheap versions, or I could buy really, really expensive versions and the gulf between the two is a huge amount of money.

So, I have a simple rule of thumb. Do I expect this item to last me a lifetime? Then spend the big bucks. Do I expect this item will get toasted really fast? Go cheap as possible, one is expecting it to be toast in short order.

But to nail this nonsense for once an for all, suppose you are in the market to purchase a new car. Would you consider a Buggati Veyron. A Lexus G400h? A Ferrari?

I confess that I have in the past owned performance cars. And I enjoyed them very much. I don't now. It is a money pit. For no real result. Sure you have a huge powerful car and I did that for a while myself. And then I thought, "Why the hell am I wasting this much money on a hunk of metal that causes me to hemorrhage money?".

But people do that for all sort of motivations. For me, at the time, I enjoyed the raw power. Much the same way that my hex-wife enjoyed the luxury of a marble bathroom. Horses for courses. Everyone's taste simply cannot be the same.

So, I copped on to that nonsense success of marketing. These days, I drive a diesel work horse that will give me at least another ten years of solid reliable service. Works for me, since I am out on the road a lot and it matters not how many horses under the hood when one is sitting in traffic, right?


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Searched: "Wayfair has been accused"
Of stocking a range that goes from the ridiculously cheap to the decadently expensive.

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Are you somehow unaware how this kettle of crazy started? It started on Reddit (where else). Some tinfoiler could not figure out why Wayfair could sell items ranging from $99 to $10,000, therefore pedophiles, yessir.

Well no. That is called supplying a wide range of product because people's range of tastes is frankly bizarre. I should know because I had to pony up for some of those. Just to keep the hex-wife happy.

I still recall a mad conversation between her an a salesman. He was trying to explain to her that marble is a natural stone and it is simply not possible to order a particular pattern unless one was prepared to pay for the marble you rejected.

At that point, I simply walked away. I wasn't paying for that ****. Nor getting involved in that argument with the sales drone.

Some people are willing to pay stupid money for trivial things. Why do you think Rolex exists?


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This item was seen scribbled on the wall of a scary tinfoil whackjob hideout cave, down by the river.

https://postimg.cc/sBXwB2Rd
Tell me why I should care about a "whackjob hideout cave"? By definition everything in it is the work of a whackjob. And as we know, those are not in short supply. Jones (either), Applewhite, Koresh, the entire JW, and so on. Wingnuts are not exactly remarkable, are they?
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There is software that people use to webcrawl for drop-ship items and auto price it on marketplaces like Amazon. If you ever wonder why a box of cereal costs $65, that is probably why. Some software has found a box of some currently rare or out of stock item somewhere that they can drop ship and the price build or freight is crazy. These listings can last for a very long time. It’s the online shopping version of spam. No, you don’t get a little kid slave with your order.
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I doubt that. In any event, knowing what I know, real pedo networks do not operate how you think they do. I have spent a long time writing crypto routines for multiple legimate purposes.Inevitably, this exposes one to some of the darker sides of the web. I have also been involved in researching and exposing RCC bastards that abuse children. So I do have more than a passing familiarity with the matter.

Given the wild Wayfair claims, no, not even remotely possible. Why would Wayfair allow anonymous internet freaks to set their pricing? Why would they not notice that the value of their inventory had increased by a factor of 10,000? A hacker? Who magically hacked only the website? And Wayfair managed not to notice? Not a chance. These systems are all integrated.

Yup. Know what that means? It means they stock goods that range from the budget category to the insanely expensive expensive category. Colour me bored by such a mundane thing. My hex-wife had a thing about really expensive bathroom fittings. She spent obscene money on the most wildly expensive bathroom fittings. I have a different view. Given what a small proportion of your life that is spent in your bathroom, and the activities that occur there such as ablutions and evacuations (ahem), I personally see no particular reason to go beyond strict utilitarianism and the cheapest solution of sufficient quality. Go too cheap and you end up with something that fails in a week.

So what? I have bought and continue to buy all manner of tools, equipment, software, whatever. I could buy cheap versions, or I could buy really, really expensive versions and the gulf between the two is a huge amount of money.

So, I have a simple rule of thumb. Do I expect this item to last me a lifetime? Then spend the big bucks. Do I expect this item will get toasted really fast? Go cheap as possible, one is expecting it to be toast in short order.

But to nail this nonsense for once an for all, suppose you are in the market to purchase a new car. Would you consider a Buggati Veyron. A Lexus G400h? A Ferrari?

I confess that I have in the past owned performance cars. And I enjoyed them very much. I don't now. It is a money pit. For no real result. Sure you have a huge powerful car and I did that for a while myself. And then I thought, "Why the hell am I wasting this much money on a hunk of metal that causes me to hemorrhage money?".

But people do that for all sort of motivations. For me, at the time, I enjoyed the raw power. Much the same way that my hex-wife enjoyed the luxury of a marble bathroom. Horses for courses. Everyone's taste simply cannot be the same.

So, I copped on to that nonsense success of marketing. These days, I drive a diesel work horse that will give me at least another ten years of solid reliable service. Works for me, since I am out on the road a lot and it matters not how many horses under the hood when one is sitting in traffic, right?


Of stocking a range that goes from the ridiculously cheap to the decadently expensive.

Are you somehow unaware how this kettle of crazy started? It started on Reddit (where else). Some tinfoiler could not figure out why Wayfair could sell items ranging from $99 to $10,000, therefore pedophiles, yessir.

Well no. That is called supplying a wide range of product because people's range of tastes is frankly bizarre. I should know because I had to pony up for some of those. Just to keep the hex-wife happy.

I still recall a mad conversation between her an a salesman. He was trying to explain to her that marble is a natural stone and it is simply not possible to order a particular pattern unless one was prepared to pay for the marble you rejected.

At that point, I simply walked away. I wasn't paying for that ****. Nor getting involved in that argument with the sales drone.

Some people are willing to pay stupid money for trivial things. Why do you think Rolex exists?


Tell me why I should care about a "whackjob hideout cave"? By definition everything in it is the work of a whackjob. And as we know, those are not in short supply. Jones (either), Applewhite, Koresh, the entire JW, and so on. Wingnuts are not exactly remarkable, are they?

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No, it's completely idiotic.
Narrative matches the target demographic.
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Has there ever been a case where a pedo establishment accidentally blew its cover? For example, a customer orders a cheese pizza and makes a gesture that the person taking the order misinterprets as a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" and then the customer is suddenly surrounded by an assortment of child sex slaves?
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Has there ever been a case where a pedo establishment accidentally blew its cover? For example, a customer orders a cheese pizza and makes a gesture that the person taking the order misinterprets as a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" and then the customer is suddenly surrounded by an assortment of child sex slaves?
A number of us have asked similar questions:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6#post13153066
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A number of us have asked similar questions:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6#post13153066
I will say, the general idea of a restauarant as a front isn't impossible.

I lived down the block in a rough neighborhood from a restaurant space that changed ownership like 4 times in the five years I lived there.

At one point it became a pizza place, but weirdly, they didn't do any kind of opening event and there never seemed to be any customers in there. About a month or so after they opened, I decided to give it a try.

There were no menues and it took a few minutes to find a person, who seemed surprised to see me there. I ordered a small pizza and he litterally wnet back and microwaved a frozen pizza. I was so shocked I didn't say anything.

Now of course, like any reasonable person I assume they're actually selling drugs, not children. And a popular, slightly upscale pizza place with a bar and many events wouldn't quite be a great choice for a front.
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Has there ever been a case where a pedo establishment accidentally blew its cover?
What is a "pedo establishment"?
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What is a "pedo establishment"?
I'll pose you a couple of questions in answer to that;

what 'security' steps would well-heeled and connected people who want to procure children for sex (and worse) take when communicating/networking with each other?

How often to you suppose they would include explicit references to their activities within their communications?

Or do you simply deny the existence of such 'peadophile networks' like a good skeptic?
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John and Tony Podesta probably know someone with answers.

Have you seen their artwork, including kids tied up, in their underwear, hanging from the wall of an empty swimming pool, mostly identical to the pool in the old Vanderbilt house? One of the images strongly resembles a young Anderson Cooper, (a Vanderbilt), who is also suspected of being another of CIA's agent in media (see Operation Mockingbird). Cooper admits to being a CIA intern.


This is one of many examples of why so called conspiracy theorists are concerned about pedophiles in power, including media.

For one thing they are subject to blackmail. Were Epstein and Maxwell involved in blackmailing perverts in power? Look into Ghislaine' father.

Seeing media people and politicians in a new light of blackmail demands the question "Who can it be that is blackmailing Trump?

Steve Bing, billionaire friend of Epstein, Clintons, etc "jumped, fell, or was tossed" from the 27th floor of a luxury apartment building in Los Angeles' Century City. Ghislaine might have a clue around which it was. For these reasons, Q fans track suicides, especially the fishy ones.
This has been the way leverage has been gained throughout the western establishment for several decades now.

Does anyone REALLY believe, for example, that Jimmy Savile contrived to stay at the BBC for nearly half a century on the basis of his talent, charm and charisma (never worked anywhere else - who would want him?)? That he wasn't part of an extensive network that included senior management and administration at what is now the Bolshevik Brainwashing Corporation?

The conviction of a few ageing entertainers in recent years is nothing but a 'limited hangout'.
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I'll pose you a couple of questions in answer to that;

what 'security' steps would well-heeled and connected people who want to procure children for sex (and worse) take when communicating/networking with each other?

How often to you suppose they would include explicit references to their activities within their communications?

Or do you simply deny the existence of such 'peadophile networks' like a good skeptic?
How about you answer my question rather than build strawmen for you to later take down?
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How about you answer my question rather than build strawmen for you to later take down?
Directly? Read the post that followed.
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Directly? Read the post that followed.
The post that followed the one I answered? I see no answer to my question there.

Would you mind not being coy and just answering? If you can't or won't, then say so.
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The post that followed the one I answered? I see no answer to my question there.

Would you mind not being coy and just answering? If you can't or won't, then say so.
"Coy"? In no way was I coy. You just threw that word out, probably unthinkingly (I often find that people here seem to have a set of responses that might as well come from a 'drop down list' - no cogent thought required).
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"Coy"? In no way was I coy. You just threw that word out, probably unthinkingly
No I meant exactly what I posted. And I see that I'm right, since you again neglected to answer my question. That's fine, as it wasn't directed at you to begin with. But then why did you answer at all if you were never going to engage me on it?
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No I meant exactly what I posted. And I see that I'm right, since you again neglected to answer my question. That's fine, as it wasn't directed at you to begin with. But then why did you answer at all if you were never going to engage me on it?
This back-and-forthing might be fun to some people, but not me. The post I referred you to as an answer to your question (slightly oddly worded - a pedo establishment?) could hardly be more direct.
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