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Old 13th September 2019, 03:02 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
The disaster response from the White House appears to have been much worse than just incompetent.
It was probably downright criminal:

Former Trump Officials Arrested For Fraud In Puerto Rico (Sep. 12, 2019)
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Former FEMA Official Accused of Taking Bribes in Hurricane Maria Recovery (NYT, Sep. 10, 2019)

Trump Administration Officials Arrested for Scamming Puerto Rico Out of $1.8 Billion in Hurricane Relief Funds (The Root, Sep. 11, 2019)

What a surprise.
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Old 13th September 2019, 03:45 PM   #442
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I think it's totally unfair to take some mid level corrupt officials who the president probably doesn't even know and say that somehow, their corruption is the president's fault.

However, in Trump's case, I think that's accurate.

It goes back to my theme of this thread, that could be found shortly after the magnitude of the disaster became apparent, and the failure of the response became obvious. The administration response was incompetent. They tried to do what FEMA usually did, in a situation that was drastically different from the usual situation. There was one guy who could have changed that, but that one guy, Donald Trump, was asleep at the switch.

Worse than that, he bragged about his response, and the nature of the bragging was to talk about the magnitude of the response, not the quality of the results. He would brag about how much money was being spent to show that he was doing something. So, you have a president who doesn't recognize what needs to be done, who doesn't know how to measure the results, but who wants to be seen as responsive by "doing a lot", which means spending a lot.

It's a recipe for corruption. No one should be surprised that corruption occurred.
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Old 16th September 2019, 11:44 AM   #443
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
What a surprise.
Hey I find it surprising that the justice department would charge them.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Hey I find it surprising that the justice department would charge them.
They made Trump look bad. Err, even worse than he already did.
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Old 17th September 2019, 05:32 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
They made Trump look bad. Err, even worse than he already did.

Which is no small achievement.
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