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Old 3rd September 2019, 06:28 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
The reason so many conservatives were wrong about Zimmerman is they refuse to pay attention to reality, preferring to instead believe whatever the right wing media machine tells them.
Hey no conservative wants unauthorized blacks wandering around in their neighborhood causing trouble.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 09:04 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
cow towing
Cow towing is likely to get you into trouble with PETA. Kowtowing is the act of kneeling and touching your head to the ground in subservience.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 09:15 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Cow towing is likely to get you into trouble with PETA. Kowtowing is the act of kneeling and touching your head to the ground in subservience.
Not even autocorrect can believe what Trump does. Somehow, towing a cow seemed more likely.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 09:21 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by jakesteele View Post
How exactly is Trump destroying this country?
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I think you're seeing boogeymen where there aren't any.
Typical of NoahFence he won't answer your tough questions. What a coward.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 09:31 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Cow towing is likely to get you into trouble with PETA. Kowtowing is the act of kneeling and touching your head to the ground in subservience.

So? This is Trump we're talking about. Cows are being towed across the Pacific to North Korea as we speak.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 11:13 AM   #206
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Instead of destroying Breitbart, can we just reduce it by 50%? Because I like the sound of half-breitbart.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 01:03 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Instead of destroying Breitbart, can we just reduce it by 50%? Because I like the sound of half-breitbart.
But why stop there? Personally, I'm rather partial to a "semihemidemibart" as much more accurate.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 06:22 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Instead of destroying Breitbart, can we just reduce it by 50%? Because I like the sound of half-breitbart.
I Hate Breitbart, but they have a perfect right to spew their garbage.Having to tolerate a lot of garbage is part of the price we pay for Freedom of Speech.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 07:11 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I Hate Breitbart, but they have a perfect right to spew their garbage.Having to tolerate a lot of garbage is part of the price we pay for Freedom of Speech.
Agreed. As much as hate Trump, he has every right to make an absolute ass of himself every time he opens his mouth.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 08:25 PM   #210
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Sad that leftists read and watch so much fake news they don't know real news when they see it. For over two years, Breitbart was right about the Trump/Russia Hoax and you were not. All of fake news was wrong day after day, 24/7. NYT was chasing its fake news tail around in circles week after week, month after month, year after year. Ditto for Kavanaugh, Zimmerman, and Ferguson. The left is so obsessed with fake news that Democrats now view socialism as being better than capitalism, which is insane, and "The Squad of Morons" is now leading the Democrat Party. You guys need a reboot.
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Sad that leftists read and watch so much fake news they don't know real news when they see it. For over two years, Breitbart was right about the Trump/Russia Hoax and you were not. All of fake news was wrong day after day, 24/7. NYT was chasing its fake news tail around in circles week after week, month after month, year after year. Ditto for Kavanaugh, Zimmerman, and Ferguson. The left is so obsessed with fake news that Democrats now view socialism as being better than capitalism, which is insane, and "The Squad of Morons" is now leading the Democrat Party. You guys need a reboot.

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Sad that leftists read and watch so much fake news they don't know real news when they see it. For over two years, Breitbart was right about the Trump/Russia Hoax and you were not. All of fake news was wrong day after day, 24/7. NYT was chasing its fake news tail around in circles week after week, month after month, year after year. Ditto for Kavanaugh, Zimmerman, and Ferguson. The left is so obsessed with fake news that Democrats now view socialism as being better than capitalism, which is insane, and "The Squad of Morons" is now leading the Democrat Party. You guys need a reboot.
You really need to cut back on the Trump Kool Aid.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Instead of destroying Breitbart, can we just reduce it by 50%? Because I like the sound of half-breitbart.

That would be Schmalbart, but some Germans already came up with that.
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Old 4th September 2019, 06:36 AM   #214
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
Sad that leftists read and watch so much fake news they don't know real news when they see it. For over two years, Breitbart was right about the Trump/Russia Hoax and you were not. All of fake news was wrong day after day, 24/7. NYT was chasing its fake news tail around in circles week after week, month after month, year after year. Ditto for Kavanaugh, Zimmerman, and Ferguson. The left is so obsessed with fake news that Democrats now view socialism as being better than capitalism, which is insane, and "The Squad of Morons" is now leading the Democrat Party. You guys need a reboot.
Iím actually amazed at how much wrong you managed to cram into one paragraph.
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But not amazed enough to point out what is wrong. Eric Holder said Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, the jury found that Trayvon Martin was the cause of his own death, Mueller said not only did Trump not work with the Russians to fix the election, but no other American did either, and AOC's guru admitted that the Green New Deal was simply a plan to implement socialism in the U.S. Bernie Sanders understood that and said it would be necessary to nationalize the entire energy sector of the economy to fight "climate change". Here's a link to a Gallup poll that says Democrats have a better feeling about socialism than capitalism.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oll/988558002/
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But not amazed enough to point out what is wrong. Eric Holder said Darren Wilson did nothing wrong,
Whoops, you said "Ferguson". You know, the town that the DOJ found had a consistent pattern of willful discrimination, and whose police were openly violent in front of cameras.

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the jury found that Trayvon Martin was the cause of his own death,
Well, no, they found Zimmerman "not guilty", I'd argue largely due to inept prosecution, their unfair discounting of witness Rachel Jeantel, and a rule that the prosecution couldn't mention his racially profiling Martin (despite both Zimmerman and one of his character witnesses stating that, yes, he did racially profile Martin). Any claim that Martin is somehow "responsible for his own death" is necessarily advocacy for racism, specifically the "Sundown Town", which you should probably look up so you, y'know, don't consistently sound like a raging white supremacist.

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Mueller said not only did Trump not work with the Russians to fix the election, but no other American did either,
Actually, he mostly said that the witnesses all obstructed his investigation to the point where he couldn't show anything (thus the numerous charges for such).

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and AOC's guru admitted that the Green New Deal was simply a plan to implement socialism in the U.S.
No idea what you're banging on about.

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But not amazed enough to point out what is wrong. Eric Holder said Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, the jury found that Trayvon Martin was the cause of his own death, Mueller said not only did Trump not work with the Russians to fix the election, but no other American did either, and AOC's guru admitted that the Green New Deal was simply a plan to implement socialism in the U.S. Bernie Sanders understood that and said it would be necessary to nationalize the entire energy sector of the economy to fight "climate change". Here's a link to a Gallup poll that says Democrats have a better feeling about socialism than capitalism.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oll/988558002/

You know, OJ was acquitted, too. So much for the idea that juries somehow determine "Truth". They do not; they have many limitations on them (one of them being "non-omniscient"). You should know this already.
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Well, no, they found Zimmerman "not guilty", I'd argue largely due to inept prosecution, their unfair discounting of witness Rachel Jeantel, and a rule that the prosecution couldn't mention his racially profiling Martin (despite both Zimmerman and one of his character witnesses stating that, yes, he did racially profile Martin). .
Not to mention a 'Stand Your Ground' law so badly written that it let's you stalk and hunt people with dark skin.

We've done many, many threads on Martin/Zimmerman (usually when Zimmerman ends up in the news for being violent again) and it always ends with the Brietibart types trying to paint every tiny thing in Martin's past as an example of him being a psychotic 'thug' deserving of death while Zimmerman was a paragon of justice. Zimmerman's actions since have shown the man to be unstable and violent. We'll never know what Martin would have turned out like since he was stalked and executed.
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Not to mention a 'Stand Your Ground' law so badly written that it let's you stalk and hunt people with dark skin.
No. "Stand your ground" had absolutely nothing to do with that case. Press reports which mention it badly misconstrued the law.
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No. "Stand your ground" had absolutely nothing to do with that case. Press reports which mention it badly misconstrued the law.
It's too bad every statement from the jurors referred to it when making a judgement (including the sole nonwhite juror, who stated explicitly that it allowed Zimmerman to get away with murder, on national tv and in subsequent interviews)
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But not amazed enough to point out what is wrong. Eric Holder said Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, the jury found that Trayvon Martin was the cause of his own death, Mueller said not only did Trump not work with the Russians to fix the election, but no other American did either, and AOC's guru admitted that the Green New Deal was simply a plan to implement socialism in the U.S. Bernie Sanders understood that and said it would be necessary to nationalize the entire energy sector of the economy to fight "climate change". Here's a link to a Gallup poll that says Democrats have a better feeling about socialism than capitalism.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oll/988558002/
You obviously haven't read the Mueller report. Go back and do the assigned reading and then try to participate. If you have read the report, you are a liar, moral coward and poltroon.
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It's too bad every statement from the jurors referred to it when making a judgement (including the sole nonwhite juror, who stated explicitly that it allowed Zimmerman to get away with murder, on national tv and in subsequent interviews)
"Stand your ground" is widely misunderstood, and the jury never received instructions about what "stand your ground" means (because, get this, they didn't need it). Their verdict was unpopular. It's an easy scapegoat. None of that makes it actually legally relevant to the case. It wasn't. According to Zimmerman's defense, Zimmerman was underneath Martin when he shot Martin. In that circumstance, if Martin was a threat to Zimmerman, then safe retreat was obviously not possible. If safe retreat is not possible, there is no duty to retreat in ANY state, and stand your ground isn't relevant. Now, you can disbelieve Zimmerman's account. You can think he's responsible for the start of the conflict. But no side in this trial was arguing that Zimmerman could have retreated at the point where he pulled the trigger. Not the defense, and not the prosecution. Stand your ground was never actually in play. And if you think it was, you don't know what stand your ground is.
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"Stand your ground" is widely misunderstood, and the jury never received instructions about what "stand your ground" means (because, get this, they didn't need it). Their verdict was unpopular. It's an easy scapegoat. None of that makes it actually legally relevant to the case. It wasn't. According to Zimmerman's defense, Zimmerman was underneath Martin when he shot Martin. In that circumstance, if Martin was a threat to Zimmerman, then safe retreat was obviously not possible. If safe retreat is not possible, there is no duty to retreat in ANY state, and stand your ground isn't relevant. Now, you can disbelieve Zimmerman's account. You can think he's responsible for the start of the conflict. But no side in this trial was arguing that Zimmerman could have retreated at the point where he pulled the trigger. Not the defense, and not the prosecution. Stand your ground was never actually in play. And if you think it was, you don't know what stand your ground is.
Of course, given the frantic cries for help that ended *instantly* when Martin was shot, collapsing his lungs, it's far more likely that Zimmerman pulled his gun after beginning to lose the fight that he had obviously started, but you can keep justifying violence against black teens for walking home from the store, and I'll go back to ignoring your posts.
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Of course, given the frantic cries for help that ended *instantly* when Martin was shot, collapsing his lungs, it's far more likely that Zimmerman pulled his gun after beginning to lose the fight that he had obviously started
In which case, get this, stand your ground still doesn't apply.

I'll give you a moment to wrap your head around that.
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In which case, get this, stand your ground still doesn't apply.

I'll give you a moment to wrap your head around that.

Looks to me like if Zimmerman began the fight, stand your ground is absolutely relevant: It applies to Martin's right to stand his ground, which he was denied.
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Looks to me like if Zimmerman began the fight, stand your ground is absolutely relevant: It applies to Martin's right to stand his ground, which he was denied.
Martin wasnít on trial, so no, itís not relevant. And Martin wasnít denied a right, he was shot and killed.
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And Martin wasnít denied a right, he was shot and killed.
That would be denying him an unalienable right, Iíd think.
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Martin wasn’t on trial, so no, it’s not relevant.

The events leading up to the murder are absolutely relevant.


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This may be the stupidest thing you've ever posted. And that's saying quite a lot for its stupidity.
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The events leading up to the murder are absolutely relevant.
The events are. The legal status of Martinís actions, not so much. Because again, Martin was not on trial. Martin can never be put on trial. A hypothetical legal defense for an impossible trial donít matter.
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The events are. The legal status of Martin’s actions, not so much. Because again, Martin was not on trial. Martin can never be put on trial. A hypothetical legal defense for an impossible trial don’t matter.

If Zimmerman started it and ultimately could not retreat due to getting his ass whipped, he should bear responsibility for resorting to lethal force. That may or may not be what the law says, but that is absolutely what it should say. Martin's right to stand his ground trumps Zimmerman's right to use lethal force since Zimmerman was the instigator.

Picking a fight and getting your ass whipped does not grant one a license to commit murder.

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This may be the stupidest thing you've ever posted. And that's saying quite a lot for its stupidity.
Iíve seen worse.
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If Zimmerman started it and ultimately could not retreat due to getting his ass whipped, he should bear responsibility for resorting to lethal force. That may or may not be what the law says, but that is absolutely what it should say.
That is what the law says. And stand your ground doesn't come into play in that scenario.
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Old 5th September 2019, 08:27 AM   #233
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That is what the law says. And stand your ground doesn't come into play in that scenario.

Great, you just agreed with me! Zimmerman bears responsibility and should be punished.

(Of course, I know you didn't intend it. Just thought it was kind of funny.)
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Great, you just agreed with me! Zimmerman bears responsibility and should be punished.

(Of course, I know you didn't intend it. Just thought it was kind of funny.)
Why is it funny that I agree that *if* A then B? Do you think that means I agree that A? Do you think the conditional you included isn't important?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Why is it funny that I agree that *if* A then B? Do you think that means I agree that A? Do you think the conditional you included isn't important?
Oh, your post was actually what you intended? I thought you accidentally got it backwards, and that's what I thought was funny. I didn't expect you to actually agree with me. First time for everything, I guess; I'm just a little shocked, is all.
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Old 5th September 2019, 08:55 PM   #236
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You obviously haven't read the Mueller report. Go back and do the assigned reading and then try to participate. If you have read the report, you are a liar, moral coward and poltroon.
I didn't read the Mueller report and your comment had nothing to do with what I said in the post to which you responded. I'm surprised your comment doesn't break any of the rules here. In any case, I won't be reading any more of them.
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I didn't read the Mueller report and your comment had nothing to do with what I said in the post to which you responded. I'm surprised your comment doesn't break any of the rules here. In any case, I won't be reading any more of them.
How 'bout if we get Bretibart to cover his posts?
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I didn't read the Mueller report and your comment had nothing to do with what I said in the post to which you responded.
Well, it’s relevant in that you are factually misinformed about what the Mueller report says. I’m guessing you got your fake information from sources like Breitbart and Trump?
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