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Old 18th September 2019, 11:25 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
That moment when BobTheCoward agrees 100% with Thunberg's message.
I haven't had an issue with her message. I object to how she chooses to express it.

ETA: You might be thinking of someone else?

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Old 18th September 2019, 12:22 PM   #722
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I haven't had an issue with her message. I object to how she chooses to express it.

The perennial right-wing dodge; "I can't accept anything you say because you say it in a way that I don't like." I'm just waiting for the whines of "Civility!"

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Old 18th September 2019, 12:28 PM   #723
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
The perennial right-wing dodge; "I can't accept anything you say because you say it in a way that I don't like." I'm just waiting for the whines of "Civility!"

Yawnorama.
I haven't commented on her positions. I have no opinion on them.
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Old 18th September 2019, 12:34 PM   #724
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I haven't had an issue with her message. I object to how she chooses to express it.
By actually speaking into a microphone somebody puts in her hand? I agree; the nerve!
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Old 18th September 2019, 12:35 PM   #725
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By actually speaking into a microphone somebody puts in her hand? I agree; the nerve!
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Old 18th September 2019, 10:16 PM   #726
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Old 18th September 2019, 10:41 PM   #727
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Clearly biased:

she wants a habitable world for herself after the people in Congress have died off.

The people in Congress may consider contacting scientists to help their descendants grow gills.

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
14 Year-Old Girl: Don't listen to me, listen to scientists!

Congress: Hold my beer.

16, but age doesn't really matter. Menbers of Congess don't listen to science. They seem to listen exclusively to the people who bribe them. That is the point of democratic elections: You make people elect you, so that you'll be the one to get paid big bucks by industry.
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Old 18th September 2019, 11:35 PM   #728
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Menbers of Congess
Freudian typo?
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Old 19th September 2019, 12:29 AM   #729
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Yes, not intended at all!

I can recommend this new clip from Samantha Bee about the role of the Koch brothers in global warming:
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Old 22nd September 2019, 12:24 AM   #730
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I haven't had an issue with her message. I object to how she chooses to express it.

ETA: You might be thinking of someone else?
Isn't she free to express her opinion? She is only testifying before a congressional committee, like thousands have done before her.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 03:55 AM   #731
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
https://www.aspergerstestsite.com/aq-test/

To take the Aspergerĺs test please answer the statements below and determine how strongly you agree or disagree with the statements. At the end of the test you will be given a score to indicate where you score on the spectrum.
I scored 37, which does not totally surprise me. i have never been tested but have thought for some time that some of my behaviours do echo my layperson's idea of what being on the autistic spectrum is. Amusingly, I'm too anxious to phone my GP to make an appointment about this. My DLA was stopped last year. According to the examiner, I "seemed okay on the day". (My friend gave me a lift.) That statement prompted a bit of a nervous breakdown.

Anyway, that's enough about me. Back to reading the thread.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:00 AM   #732
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Isn't she free to express her opinion? She is only testifying before a congressional committee, like thousands have done before her.
A) strawman. I never questioned if she should be free to do so. I'm calling the platform she is being provided a waste of resources

B) I object to many of those thousands, also.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:43 AM   #733
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So who here is interested i following Thunberg's lead and making a public deceleration vowing never to fly again ?
So no takers on the Greta Thunberg challenge ? A week or two in the Maldives is more important that dealing with this "climate emergency". That's OK, Greta Thunberg sailed for your sins.

This environmental activism is far, far easier than I thought it would be.

Somebody should do something !!

Woo Hoo, I'm an activist.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:59 AM   #734
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So no takers on the Greta Thunberg challenge ? A week or two in the Maldives is more important that dealing with this "climate emergency". That's OK, Greta Thunberg sailed for your sins.

This environmental activism is far, far easier than I thought it would be.

Somebody should do something !!

Woo Hoo, I'm an activist.
Most of the world has made that pledge.
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Originally Posted by The Common Potato View Post
I scored 37, which does not totally surprise me. i have never been tested but have thought for some time that some of my behaviours do echo my layperson's idea of what being on the autistic spectrum is. Amusingly, I'm too anxious to phone my GP to make an appointment about this. My DLA was stopped last year. According to the examiner, I "seemed okay on the day". (My friend gave me a lift.) That statement prompted a bit of a nervous breakdown.

Anyway, that's enough about me. Back to reading the thread.
I scored 33.

I hate meeting new people and social situations generally freak me out, so I guess that resulted in the fairly high score. Or I could have Aspergers Syndrome I guess. Meh. Life goes on.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 08:01 AM   #736
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Originally Posted by philkensebben View Post
I scored 33.

I hate meeting new people and social situations generally freak me out, so I guess that resulted in the fairly high score. Or I could have Aspergers Syndrome I guess. Meh. Life goes on.
I'm okay when I actually meet them. It's thought of doing so that's worrying.
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I've got to the end of the thread

I might be wrong but I think the question cullenz has been asking is: Of the predicted rise in temperature, what percentage is due to natural variation and how much is due to our behaviour?
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Aw. I only got a 22. And it's SUCH a scientifical test! Right here on the intronet!

And that funny-looking kid is doing good work.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 09:16 AM   #739
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Most of the world has made that pledge.
They're just faking it. Get a few drinks into them and they'll freely admit the treason they're not jet setting around the world is because they can't afford it.

Just look at me for example. I'm saving the world by refusing to own a 300 foot yacht. Go me
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Aw. I only got a 22. And it's SUCH a scientifical test! Right here on the intronet!

And that funny-looking kid is doing good work.
Lucky I Don't think it is!
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Old 22nd September 2019, 12:48 PM   #741
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The denier freakout over Greta is so funny!

The lowest way to attempt to discredit someone is to claim she's being "controlled" (GASP) , like she doesn't have aspirations of her own. Again the babyfaced appearance might have a lot to do with it but it's just amusing as hell. Or it would be if the issue wasn't so serious.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 02:55 PM   #742
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Approximately 25 years condensed into a few sentences...

This very site is responsible to some extent for my not being a denier any more. Give yourself a big pat on the back.

Al Gore's and others' "the science is settled"-style statements all those years ago led me to shout "Eh? Science is never settled." As I have no disbelief in evolution, the Big Bang theory of cosmological 'evolution', relativity, quantum stuff etc, I was unable to explain to myself why i had this problem with global warming. I'd read a few anti-AGW books by authors who i now realise are thought to be, at best, controversialists: Christophers Booker and Plimer for example. I'd also read Bj°rn Lomborg's The Skeptical Environmentalist. Edit: I did think some of the reactions to those who did doubt were somewhat extreme. Eg, the reactions to Lomborg's book.

I rationalised all this to myself by accepting any science on, say, sea level changes in Bognor Regis, temperature changes in local areas, etc. At the same time, the IPCC were, in their assessment reports for policymakers not 'doing science' but being political.

I came across International Skeptics about four or five years ago, when The One With the Whales was the current JFK thread. (Someone on https://www.apollohoax.net/ had referenced his site.) Having read a lot - far too many - of the threads in the conspiracy section, I realised that I was doing the very same thing with climate change as woo-followers do with their particular alternative histories. I was taking heed of any anomaly and ignoring the vast bulk of evidence.

Sacrilegious, but Richard Feynman is a smidgeon to blame. His quote: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." can easily be misunderstood to mean if anyone finds any error, chuck it all out.

I would say that off-hand dismissal doesn't work when trying to persuade. It's ineffective with Truthers and the like and probably will fail with non-mainstream people of all sorts.

I appreciate that there's a stand-alone thread for this sort of stuff, but I hope the mods will leave this post here.

Edit: The amusing final straw was the meme that climate change was invented so that 'they'- yup, them again - could tax us. In my limited experience, governments of all hues don't need much of an excuse to raise taxes. A massive CT seems unnecessary.

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I seen the writing on the wall with mandatory recycling in most of the US. Impractical at many levels and it showed the short sighted solutions many embraced.

Saving the resources, reusing them required a plan and a consumer for the products. Thirty years later it has happened in Mexico at least, plastics are in high demand here.


The flap about in 2030 some major cities worldwide will be all electric cars is ambitious, but in 2019 I cannot see any plans kicking in to get those vehicles on the roads. It wouldn't be hard to retrofit current models.

So much we could do but we aren't. It would break the routine of life.
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Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be fair this doesn't mean too much; while not just anybody can nominate a candidate, the class of qualified nominators isn't so exclusive that a nomination in and of itself is necessarily some kind of accolade.
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Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be fair this doesn't mean too much; while not just anybody can nominate a candidate, the class of qualified nominators isn't so exclusive that a nomination in and of itself is necessarily some kind of accolade.
Kind of a shoe-in, to be honest. At least for a nomination.
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Kind of a shoe-in, to be honest. At least for a nomination.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing her win.
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Several women already won the Nobel Peace Prize in this decade, some of them very young: Nobel Peace Prize laureates (Wikipedia).
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Kind of a shoe-in, to be honest. At least for a nomination.
you sure?

she is up against Trump, after all.

Trump would never lose against a little girl, right?
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Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be fair this doesn't mean too much; while not just anybody can nominate a candidate, the class of qualified nominators isn't so exclusive that a nomination in and of itself is necessarily some kind of accolade.
The Peace Prize is a joke. Kissinger was awarded a peace prize and he ought to have been jailed as a war criminal for his actions during the Vietnam War. There are other examples, but that one alone seems enough to discredit the whole venture.

I mean no smear against Thunberg mentioning such things in regards to her nomination.
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The Peace Prize is a joke. Kissinger was awarded a peace prize and he ought to have been jailed as a war criminal for his actions during the Vietnam War. There are other examples, but that one alone seems enough to discredit the whole venture.

Between Kissenger and terrorist leader Yasser Arafat, yeah the Nobel Peace Prize has pretty much become a joke.
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And it will make Trump even angrier at her if she is awarded the prize that he's hoping to win, Nobel Peace Prize laureates weigh in on Trump's chance of winning, probably the only reason why he hasn't bombed Iran yet.
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Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be fair this doesn't mean too much; while not just anybody can nominate a candidate, the class of qualified nominators isn't so exclusive that a nomination in and of itself is necessarily some kind of accolade.
Yasser Arafat and Barack Obama come to mind.
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A fine speech but the UN is probably not the right target.

If I were the UN, here would be my reply.

"We exist as a body because the 30 years leading up to our formation we just straight murdered 10s of millions. like five percent of the people were killed. Global warming is a problem because we succeed in solving the first problem. You're welcome."


Not endorsing that the UN fixed anything, but they probably think they did.
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There should be a major public prize specifically for achievement in environmental politics, economics, engineering, or science.

It doesn't matter whether or not Thunberg ever wins one. It would just be nice to see candidates recognized and considered.
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There should be a major public prize specifically for achievement in environmental politics,
Specifically for environmental politics? We already have one for political achievement in general - the Nobel Peace Prize. As you'd expect of a prestigious award for political achievement, it's a clown car of virtue signaling and naive aspiration.

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We already have major public prizes for these. They're even still pretty reputable.

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It doesn't matter whether or not Thunberg ever wins one. It would just be nice to see candidates recognized and considered.
I don't think it does Thunberg any favors to try to associate her with the NPP. I doubt it would do serious climate change activists any favors to be associated with a similar environment-specific prize. Except as a merit badge in the eyes of people who are already on board with their message and convinced of their virtue. Like Obama's Peace Prize. Some people who already thought Obama was the bee's knees though the NPP was a nice bit of recognition for his "achievements". But for a lot of people, including a lot of Obama supporters, it just diminished the prestige of the NPP itself, to be awarded so frivolously.
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We already have major public prizes for these. They're even still pretty reputable.

I was unclear. The modifier "environmental" is supposed to apply to each category.
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Yasser Arafat and Barack Obama come to mind.

But you forget the politicians that Yasser Arafat shared the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize with, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.
It's not because you're anti-Semitic, is it?!
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I doubt it would do serious climate change activists any favors to be associated with a similar environment-specific prize. Except as a merit badge in the eyes of people who are already on board with their message and convinced of their virtue.

I'm having some trouble sorting through your meaning here. Are you suggesting that there cannot possibly be any actual virtue in environmental activism?

I mean, if you substitute a different field of endeavor...

"I doubt it would do serious particle physicists any favors to be associated with a similar physics-specific prize. Except as a merit badge in the eyes of people who are already on board with particle physics and convinced of its value."
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I was unclear. The modifier "environmental" is supposed to apply to each category.
I owe you an apology. I knew what you meant. Sorry.

So perhaps you have in mind something like these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_...al_Achievement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Citizen_Award
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldma...onmental_Prize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_the_Environment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ds#Environment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_500_Roll_of_Honour
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But you forget the politicians that Yasser Arafat shared the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize with, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.
It's not because you're anti-Semitic, is it?!
I don't know what this means.
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