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Old 22nd May 2009, 07:32 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
I don't see any "filthy Jew" type comment in what he posted. Do you?
Nice attempt to flee from the topic at hand, where you have been roundly pumped again.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 07:34 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
Nice attempt to flee from the topic at hand, where you have been roundly pumped again.
Pardalis asked me a direct question, I answered it.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 07:53 AM   #43
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Whatever... I don't really care whether he was associating that devil comment with the "government" or teh "j0000z" the same thought line originating from the intentional misrepresentation of a single quote Silverstein made, which clearly from its context had nothing to do with demolition is the same. Teh "j000000z" handle just lends as a bonus for the antisemites that love using that handle to implicate him more than just the government inside job crap.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:04 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
Proving once again that it's almost always debunkers who use this kind of langauge. And no, I don't care if you think you were being sarcastic.
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I don't see any "filthy Jew" type comment in what he posted. Do you?
And I don't see where Larry Silverstein said "I blew up WTC7 for the insurance money". Nor do I see where anyone who witnessed the collapse of WTC7 said "It was a controlled demolition". But that doesn't stop you, and other Truthers, from parsing their statements within inches of their lives in order to torture some sinister inference from them.

Why the double standard?

While I don't necessarily believe you are an anti-Semite, I've yet to see you offer a reason why you despise Larry Silverstain so much, or of what precisely you think he is guilty. So I see no problem with attributing anti-Semitism to someone who has an unexplained, irrational hatred of a Jewish person.

If this is problematic for you, you can either offer a reasonable explanation for your opinion of Silverstein, or at the very least, stop behaving like such a pompous hypocrite.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:06 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
And I don't see where Larry Silverstein said "I blew up WTC7 for the insurance money". Nor do I see where anyone who witnessed the collapse of WTC7 said "It was a controlled demolition". But that doesn't stop you, and other Truthers, from parsing their statements within inches of their lives in order to torture some sinister inference from them.

Why the double standard?

While I don't necessarily believe you are an anti-Semite, I've yet to see you offer a reason why you despise Larry Silverstain so much, or of what precisely you think he is guilty. So I see no problem with attributing anti-Semitism to someone who has an unexplained, irrational hatred of a Jewish person.

If this is problematic for you, you can either offer a reasonable explanation for your opinion of Silverstein, or at the very least, stop behaving like such a pompous hypocrite.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised to get such comedy from a clown.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:13 AM   #46
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Okay.

That settles that..
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:17 AM   #47
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Okay.

That settles that..
From the articles that have been posted, have you gained new insight into Larry's reluctance to invest any of his own money into the rebuilding of the towers, relying entirely on public money and outside investments?

Or do you still think he'll go broke attempting to rebuild the towers?
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:25 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
I guess I shouldn't be surprised to get such comedy from a clown.
And I'm not at all surprised to get such evasion from an intellectual coward.

Since you aren't able to mount any kind of argument regarding the actual topic of this thread, please continue derailing it into oblivion with your tedious semantic argument. Your colossal failure to ever say anything of substance is a constant source of amusement.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:30 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
And I'm not at all surprised to get such evasion from an intellectual coward.

Since you aren't able to mount any kind of argument regarding the actual topic of this thread, please continue derailing it into oblivion with your tedious semantic argument. Your colossal failure to ever say anything of substance is a constant source of amusement.
I think the post just above yours is right on point. I know you prefer vitriol to discourse, but you might attempt to address the question I asked.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:31 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
From the articles that have been posted, have you gained new insight into Larry's reluctance to invest any of his own money into the rebuilding of the towers, relying entirely on public money and outside investments?
Why do insist on lying about things you've already been caught lying about? (And in the same thread no less!)
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:37 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
I think the post just above yours is right on point. I know you prefer vitriol to discourse, but you might attempt to address the question I asked.
I already did. Twice.

Here:
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Larry Silverstein owes the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey $10 million a month in rent.

Without new buildings on the site from which to lease office space, Silverstein has no way to recoup that $10 million a month.

$10 million per month X an indeterminate amount of time = eventually broke.

And here:
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Will Silverstein be destitute and on the street? Probably not.

But he does stand to take a huge loss on WTC, which makes his involvement in any conspiracy to destroy those buidlings patently absurd. Which is the point of this thread.

But as per your usual modus operandi, you ignore answers and just keep asking the same questions over and over. The issue of Silverstein literally "going broke" has been addressed. Now how about you address the actual topic of the thread?


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I guess I shouldn't be surprised to get such comedy from a clown.

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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:39 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Why do insist on lying about things you've already been caught lying about? (And in the same thread no less!)
So Bloomberg is lying too?
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:51 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
Pardalis asked me a direct question, I answered it.
Yes, we all notice when you pick and choose which direct questions to answer and which to flee from. Hence the attempt to stay OT.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:58 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
So Bloomberg is lying too?
Nope. Just you.

What you said:
Originally Posted by RedIbis View Post
From the articles that have been posted, have you gained new insight into Larry's reluctance to invest any of his own money into the rebuilding of the towers, relying entirely on public money and outside investments?

The truth:
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The agreement will bring to about $4.55 billion the total insurance proceeds Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey will receive.

Silverstein, the leaseholder on the World Trade Center, had battled with insurance companies in federal court since a month after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks over how much the policies were worth. The settlement gives the developer and the Port Authority, the site's owner, the cash to help rebuild the 16- acre property.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 09:01 AM   #55
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It's a little disturbing watching RedIbis smear his mind-bogglingly irrational disgust for Silverstein all over the place. Like a monkey that's got nothing to play with except his own poo...




He's a "filthy Jew". He has all the money in the world.
I see that Kreel chimed in right on cue just as you said. Post #35

"Give that man a million!"
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Old 22nd May 2009, 09:03 AM   #56
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I don't see any "filthy Jew" type comment in what he posted. Do you?
Kreel:

"Larry will never go broke. He sold his soul to the devil.

Oh, yeah, he may look down and out, living in the gutter, barfing on his loafers. Don't worry. Larry is just waiting. "

You see nothing wrong with this comment?
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Old 22nd May 2009, 01:22 PM   #57
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Now, now, now Silverstein doid not "pull" the buildings.

He told the FDNY to pull the buildings.
Silverstein had no authority to do anything that day.

The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 01:26 PM   #58
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The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.
Ah yes, the mythical fire commander that wasn't part of FDNY, correct?
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
Silverstein had no authority to do anything that day.

The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.
Can you provide a pretend NSA document to confirm this imaginary event?
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Can you provide a pretend NSA document to confirm this imaginary event?
NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
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NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
No you can't, liar.
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
Fine. What is your GSA job title and badge number?
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
Silverstein had no authority to do anything that day.

The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.

Evidence please!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
Actually, all you can provide are your interpretations of these statements. The evidence that the "pulling" of WTC7 actually took place, along with the explanation for why everyone involved decided to lie about it, is as non-existent as your NSA analyst credentials.
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I think Silverstein must have evicted the lot of them for non-payment at some point, and this is their pathetic attempt at retribution.
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Proving once again that it's almost always debunkers who use this kind of langauge. And no, I don't care if you think you were being sarcastic.
Which actually is totally off the subject that you have made it apparent that you believe, against all reason and evidence, that Silverstein actually confessed to having his own buildings blown up on 911. Rational people perplexed by this position sometimes suggest antisemitism may be involved. They may be wrong, they may be right, they may be wrong about some truthers and right about others.

Either way, there's got to be SOME reason you, a probably otherwise intelligent person, would buy into that ludicrous theory.
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
Where did they pull it to, and with what did they pull it with?

Is this in another CRITIC of talk from the NSA?
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Originally Posted by ULTIMA1 View Post
NO, Since i am not pretend NSA.

But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
Oh, and do you know Dr. Brenner?
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Which actually is totally off the subject that you have made it apparent that you believe, against all reason and evidence, that Silverstein actually confessed to having his own buildings blown up on 911. Rational people perplexed by this position sometimes suggest antisemitism may be involved. They may be wrong, they may be right, they may be wrong about some truthers and right about others.

Either way, there's got to be SOME reason you, a probably otherwise intelligent person, would buy into that ludicrous theory.
Cant be antisemitism in Redibis case. It's self loathing.
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But since i am real NSA i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.

Then why don't you go ahead and do that!!
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Then why don't you go ahead and do that!!
Yea. I'm all ears as well. Come on U1! Put us in our places
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The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.
Really? The fire and incident commander made the decision to blow up WTC7?

You are saying the decision was made on that day (there's no incident commander until there is an incident).

The 23 story Hudson building in Detroit was taken by a 20 man crew after 7 months of preparations.

So 7 months times 20 working days per month, times 10 hours per day times 20 men equals twenty-eight THOUSAND man-hours of labor to take down that building.

But WTC7 is twice the height of JL Hudson so the real figure to take down WTC7 is fifty-six thousand man hours.

So here you are on 9/11, it's early afternoon, you have two hours "warning" in which you need to fully prep a 47 story building. To do 56,000 man-hours of work in just two hours you need 28,000 men.

You are basically saying the NWO or the MIB or the ASPCA or the Harper Valley PTA or whoever had 28,000 men standing around outside WTC7 ready to charge in and plant demo-packs.

And you wonder why we think you people are stupid and insane?
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I don't think he's insane.
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... i can provide several statements from the fire chiefs and fire commander that support my statement.
But you cannot show one single instance before of after 9/11 of a fire dept "pulling" a still burning 40+ story building.

Please, show us your sources for this, Roger.
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Silverstein had no authority to do anything that day.

The Fire commander and emergency incident command decided to pull building 7.

No, you hopeless ****, it is not possible to "pull" a 47-story building. The term has nothing to do with explosives, as conceivably even you know.
The fire chiefs decided to "pull" their men, "pull" being a term used by firefighters, not demolition experts.
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Pardalis asked me a direct question, I answered it.

You complimented me on asking a sincere question. Unfortunately, you refused to answer it and ran away.
Assuming you are not an anti-Semite, what accounts for your bizarre obsession with Larry Silverstein? You characterized his matter-of-fact agreement with a fire chief's assessment as "nonsensical" and "dishonest." I fail to see how his statement could be either. What do you think Silverstein did?
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I mean Larry is a jew afterall!
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Back to Silverstein.

How much money has he lost since 9-11, by not collecting rent and other fees from the WTC?

Does anyone know?
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Back to Silverstein.

How much money has he lost since 9-11, by not collecting rent and other fees from the WTC?

Does anyone know?
4 and a half metric tons
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The fire chiefs decided to "pull" their men, "pull" being a term used by firefighters, not demolition experts.
Wrong again.

Fire chiefs and later fire commander stated firefighters were out of the building BEFORE the call to Silverstein.

How could the fire chiefs pull the firefighters if they were already out of the buidling as they all stated?
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