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Old 29th June 2020, 01:26 PM   #1
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Trump and Bounties

What is his deal with Bounties?

First Puerto Rico, and now Afghanistan.
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Old 29th June 2020, 01:29 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by fishbob View Post
What is his deal with Bounties?

First Puerto Rico, and now Afghanistan.
Plus, his interest in the movie Mutiny on the Bounty.

See: Vox
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He didn't even know about it because of lack of evidence.
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Old 29th June 2020, 05:54 PM   #5
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Trump thinks they're the Canadian Royal Bounties.
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Old 29th June 2020, 07:10 PM   #7
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Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say

The investigation into Russia’s suspected operation is said to focus in part on the killings of three Marines in a truck bombing last year, officials said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/u...imes&smtyp=cur
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GOP is boycotting House Intelligence briefings. Without explanation.

Because...responsibility?
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Old 29th June 2020, 08:44 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
GOP is boycotting House Intelligence briefings. Without explanation.

Because...responsibility?
Because intelligence is something liberals celebrate, so it can't be good.
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Old 29th June 2020, 08:47 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
GOP is boycotting House Intelligence briefings. Without explanation.

Because...responsibility?
Nope, its because......

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Old 29th June 2020, 09:12 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say
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If every single person in the White House knows that the president doesn’t read briefings, then isn’t it a bit unfair to condemn his ignorance of something that was put in a written briefing.

I’m joking, but I am pretty sure I can Poe this idea into a right-wing forum. Although it would be hard to judge any actual success because so many trolls (Russian and otherwise) would support it.

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Old 29th June 2020, 09:26 PM   #13
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GOP is boycotting House Intelligence briefings. Without explanation.

Because...responsibility?
Seems only fair... After all, the GOP was able to attend a white house briefing without any Democrats.

From: The Independent
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, director of national intelligence John Ratcliffe, and national security adviser Robert O'Brien met with seven GOP lawmakers in the White House situation room to discuss reports that Russia offered money to Taliban-linked fighters to kill US forces in Afghanistan.

Not sure how normal that is for the white house to brief only politicians from one party, but there you go.

(The republicans seemed to be more intent on finding out who failed to pass the information along to Trump... so they must be assuming Trump was being honest about not being briefed.)

And then there is this:

From: CNN
The intelligence that assessed there was an effort by a Russian military intelligence unit to pay the Taliban to kill US soldiers was included in one of President Donald Trump's daily briefings on intelligence matters sometime in the spring, according to a US official with direct knowledge of the latest information. That assessment, the source said, was backed up by "several pieces of information"...The New York Times reported Monday night that the intelligence had been included in a written version of the President's Daily Brief in late February.

Which of course fits in with the narrative that Trump didn't know about it because he's too lazy to read. It would be interesting if congress tries to push for a copy of the briefing. (I assume the white house would try to obstruct... "You can't have the briefing... you'll just have to Trust us when we say it didn't have the information", with the democrats trying to subpoena the information, and Moscow Mitch doing everything he can to quash it.)

Furthermore, the CNN article said:

Ratcliffe said in a statement later on Monday that a leak of intelligence "places our forces at risk" and is a crime. "The selective leaking of any classified information disrupts the vital interagency work to collect, assess, and mitigate threats and places our forces at risk. It is also, simply put, a crime," Ratcliffe said.

I can certainly understand a desire to protect intelligence sources. I haven't seen any details that might have compromised anything.

Leave it up to the white house to be more concerned about who leaked information that embarrases Trump, than what the leaked information actually tells us.
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Old 30th June 2020, 07:09 AM   #14
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He didn't even know about it because of lack of evidence.
Nonsense he doesn't know about it because they put it in his daily briefing and what better way to hide something from him than put it in print?
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And he hasn't taken any action for the last 4 days because it's on the news and everyone knows Trump has no time to watch the news....
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And he hasn't taken any action for the last 4 days because it's on the news and everyone knows Trump has no time to watch the news....
I predict his "actions" will be 1. promising something tremendously big and strong in two weeks, and 2. boasting on Twitter about how tough he is.

If it wasn't for the noise, it would again be totally (instead of just functionally) indistinguishable from doing nothing.
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I predict his "actions" will be 1. promising something tremendously big and strong in two weeks, and 2. boasting on Twitter about how tough he is.

If it wasn't for the noise, it would again be totally (instead of just functionally) indistinguishable from doing nothing.
And yes another repeat of his often claimed "I've been tougher on Russian than any other president!"
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I a press briefing Mcenany claimed the leaks might be targeted to harm Trump. A reporter asked if she's claiming members of the intel community are targeting Trump.

She says, "I don't know, they COULD be and if true, it's despicable."

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I a press briefing Mcenany claimed the leaks might be targeted to harm Trump. A reporter asked if she's claiming members of the intel community are targeting Trump.

She says, "I don't know, they COULD be and if true, it's despicable."

O.o
So now McEninny is feeding Trump's paranoia/victimization delusions.
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And he hasn't taken any action for the last 4 days because it's on the news and everyone knows Trump has no time to watch the news....
What action should he take about a rumour?
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I think David Frum said something to the effect, "Like Benghazi, but real."
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What action should he take about a rumour?
Ha ha! You're funny. Rumor. Yeah, that's all this is. Just some inconsequential titttle tattle.
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The briefing notes didn't have pictures and a fold-out. And the US soldiers weren't young and pretty enough.
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What action should he take about a rumour?
Even if it was merely a rumor, in fact it appears to be far more then that, Trump should have made a public statement condemning the very notion of it. But, as usual, nothing.
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What action should he take about a rumour?
Step 1) ask what actions have been taken to verify the rumor

Step 2) make appropriate direction and management of executive resources to verify the rumor and set a course for follow up

Step 3) Direct any resources not currently in the National security chain to coordinate on investigation where appropriate.

ETA: this whole republican Senate argument that the claim is "unverified" is fallacious. As CEO of the executive branch which leads national security efforts, he is a key component in the national security process of converting unverified claims to verified ones. That is the executive Branch's job.

They want to operate in some world where these briefings are the end of the process and if something exists as unverified, that is an intrinsic property of the intelligence for purposes of decision making. But it is the beginning of the process!

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Step 1) ask what actions have been taken to verify the rumor

Step 2) make appropriate direction and management of executive resources to verify the rumor and set a course for follow up

Step 3) Direct any resources not currently in the National security chain to coordinate on investigation where appropriate.

As opposed to what's actually happening.

Step 1) Deny that anyone knew about it.

Step 2) Insist that the information wasn't acted on because it wasn't real.

Step 3) Claim that there's nothing that can be done about it because the news story ruined the investigation.
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Even if it was merely a rumor, in fact it appears to be far more then that, Trump should have made a public statement condemning the very notion of it. But, as usual, nothing.


Also, make a clear statement that he's ordering a full review of the intelligence that's available, and immediate briefings on what was known for himself and Congressional leaders, so they can get to the bottom of this "rumor".

Not just reflexive "No one told me! FAKE NEWS!" BS.
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Trump decries Russian bounty reports as ‘fake news’ as his national security adviser says response options were prepared
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President Trump continued to insist Wednesday that reports of Russia offering bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan were “fake news,” as his national security adviser disclosed that options had been drawn up to present to Trump on how to respond if the allegations were corroborated.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...26f_story.html
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What action should he take about a rumour?
Well, establishing whether it is or is not a rumour would be a good start; calling it "fake news" right off the bat is not!

Of course, establishing the truth is something that would require him, not only to read, and to understand complex issues, but also to be able to recognize "truth" when he sees it.

Those are all things Trump is incapable of.
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Trump decries Russian bounty reports as ‘fake news’ as his national security adviser says response options were prepared
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President Trump continued to insist Wednesday that reports of Russia offering bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan were “fake news,” as his national security adviser disclosed that options had been drawn up to present to Trump on how to respond if the allegations were corroborated.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...26f_story.html
It will be interesting to see how he responds if, indeed, these reports are confirmed or even supported by BARD evidence.
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The briefing notes didn't have pictures and a fold-out. And the US soldiers weren't young and pretty enough.
And the MAD comic fold-in jokes were too esoteric for him.
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Afghan Contractor Handed Out Russian Cash to Kill Americans, Officials Say

A small-time businessman became a key middleman for bounties on coalition troops in Afghanistan, U.S. intelligence reports say. Friends saw him grow rich, but didn’t know how.

By Mujib Mashal, Eric Schmitt, Najim Rahim and Rukmini Callimachi
Updated 10:56 p.m.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/w...gtype=Homepage
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It comes down to the fact that Trump doesn't know how to play the part of president on reality TV, even if it is scripted for him word-by-word. He is so out of his depth and sinking fast, and taking everyone in the USA down with him.
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Afghan Contractor Handed Out Russian Cash to Kill Americans, Officials Say

A small-time businessman became a key middleman for bounties on coalition troops in Afghanistan, U.S. intelligence reports say. Friends saw him grow rich, but didn’t know how.

By Mujib Mashal, Eric Schmitt, Najim Rahim and Rukmini Callimachi
Updated 10:56 p.m.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/w...gtype=Homepage
Well that pretty much whips the rug out from under Trump's BS claims about "fake news". UNIT 29155 (the GRU) is the same outfit that tried to assassinate Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salsbury back in 2018, and ended up killing a local instead.
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