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Old 27th February 2020, 02:05 PM   #281
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I think its possible the Dumbbells just didn't want kids, and left them with someone else to be raised "right" and more importantly -far away.
I think it's a longshot, but it is possible. If this is how it went, or in fact if the children are alive anywhere at all, we will find out at Lori's trial unless she's willing to eat several years in prison purely for the principle that she shouldn't have to tell anyone where she sent them.
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Old 27th February 2020, 02:33 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I think it's a longshot, but it is possible. If this is how it went, or in fact if the children are alive anywhere at all, we will find out at Lori's trial unless she's willing to eat several years in prison purely for the principle that she shouldn't have to tell anyone where she sent them.
If I've been reading correctly, she probably doesn't believe she'll be in jail past mid July, what with the world ending and all that stuff.
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Old 27th February 2020, 02:51 PM   #283
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If I've been reading correctly, she probably doesn't believe she'll be in jail past mid July, what with the world ending and all that stuff.
Refresh my memory where we've heard an exact date this cult has set? I didn't get that impression from the recent Idaho newspaper interview with other members of the movement. It depicted them as having been commanded more or less to stock supplies in preparation for a predicted future calamity but didn't mention it was something they had a specific day in mind for.
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July 22nd, but I'd have to dig for the source.
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Predictable, but the Chadster has packed up and moved out of Hawaii. Seen boarding a plane for the mainland.
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Any word on if he's headed to Idaho to be present for the hearing there?
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So there is a bit of doubt regarding whether or not it was Alex seen at the storage bins on 2 October, but only because of the allegations made by Brandon. Alex's truck apparently was not seen there that day, rather it was seen on 6 October.
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Old 28th February 2020, 09:13 PM   #288
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Any word on if he's headed to Idaho to be present for the hearing there?
According to CNN, yes.
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So there is a bit of doubt regarding whether or not it was Alex seen at the storage bins on 2 October, but only because of the allegations made by Brandon. Alex's truck apparently was not seen there that day, rather it was seen on 6 October.
That's interesting, about Alex's truck. I know it had been seen there at some point, which is how it was initially deduced Alex was going there - but I did not know that it was not his truck present for those first two visits on the 2nd and 3rd. What vehicle was it?

Whoever it was on both occasions came with Lori; perhaps it was hers.
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Is Lori still locked up in Hawaii, or has she been extradited back to the land of famous potatoes?
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Idaho is still setting up things for extradition and the ensuing media/public circus; if I understand correctly and the situation hasn't changed, there will be a hearing or some-such Wednesday in Hawaii regarding extradition and a hearing is scheduled in New Potatoland on Monday, 9 March, I believe with her present.
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That's interesting, about Alex's truck. I know it had been seen there at some point, which is how it was initially deduced Alex was going there - but I did not know that it was not his truck present for those first two visits on the 2nd and 3rd. What vehicle was it?

Whoever it was on both occasions came with Lori; perhaps it was hers.
Not sure what vehicle, but obviously we can't rule out Alex carpooling with Lori. Same article mentioned that it would be "almost impossible" for Alex to have driven or flown in time to be at both locations that day. Also states that Melani is not a suspect regarding the shooting.
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Idaho is still setting up things for extradition and the ensuing media/public circus; if I understand correctly and the situation hasn't changed, there will be a hearing or some-such Wednesday in Hawaii regarding extradition and a hearing is scheduled in New Potatoland on Monday, 9 March, I believe with her present.
No I believe Lori waived the extradition hearing after her bail reduction was denied so it will not take place on Wednesday; Idaho law enforcement is basically cleared to come and get her whenever, is my current understanding.
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That hearing would have been on Monday, 2 March. Trying to follow the scheduling on these things is a nightmare.

ETA: I'm well aware that she waived extradition and that Hawaii said,"Come pick her up whenever," but I'm not sure if they went through the whole making sure she is Lori Vallow etc. schtick which is/was the Wednesday hearing I mentioned.
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Actually, I realized while trying and failing to sleep that the hearing Wednesday was probably reliant on the hearing Monday, and since Lori waived the hearing for Monday the hearing that was going to be on Wednesday can happen anytime Idaho schedules it.
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How do you find out what became of the kids in under 5 minutes?


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I'm starting to see conspiracy theorists come in hot on this case now.

Or rather, one very active one.
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Ok, so ABC news is reporting that Chad has stated the children are "safe."

That's it. That's the story.
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Ok, so ABC news is reporting that Chad has stated the children are "safe."

That's it. That's the story.
Obviously this is some strange new use of the word "safe" we weren't previously aware of.

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Ok, so ABC news is reporting that Chad has stated the children are "safe."

That's it. That's the story.
It's nice to imagine they are alive and safe from harm.... But at this juncture I'm afraid he may mean "can't be harmed any more".

I'd be very happy to learn they're alive and just being cared for by someone other than their family, but I'd also be very, very surprised.
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Investigators of Charles Vallow's death are looking into some suspicious emails, the email shown seems to have been alleged by Charles in a different email (to his brother-in-law Adam Cox, not Alex) to have been written by Lori to Chad.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/0...usbands-death/
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Using a fake email account to communicate in code maybe?
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More like bringing him within range of a tactical... er... kitty. May or may not be NWO flavored.
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Lori is now in transit to Idaho, there will be a hearing to read her her charges on Friday, 6 March at 2 PM.
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I watched an overview of this case on - yeah, I know - Dr. Phil a few days ago.
What was interesting to me was seeing video of Lori, sometimes with the kids, when she seemed perfectly normal, outgoing, friendly.

Then, video of her only a brief amount of time following the normalcy, it is as if overnight something changes. The difference, her new mannerisms, way of speech, voice - was profound.

I am curious about what the sudden change was caused by, if it was overnight. The way it was discussed by friends and relatives on the show, it sounds like they confirmed the change was both quick and frightening, with fear of Lori's strange behavior growing.
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It's hard to say, it's probably safe to rule out drug usage at this time, barring some prescription we haven't heard about, since police have searched their belongings.
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The answer's obvious, she's gots her a demon in her. Explains everything quick and simple.

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I watched an overview of this case on - yeah, I know - Dr. Phil a few days ago.
What was interesting to me was seeing video of Lori, sometimes with the kids, when she seemed perfectly normal, outgoing, friendly.

Then, video of her only a brief amount of time following the normalcy, it is as if overnight something changes. The difference, her new mannerisms, way of speech, voice - was profound.

I am curious about what the sudden change was caused by, if it was overnight. The way it was discussed by friends and relatives on the show, it sounds like they confirmed the change was both quick and frightening, with fear of Lori's strange behavior growing.
I knew someone who changed drastically in a fairly short period of time -a couple of years at most. He died another year or so later, and autopsy revealed 11 brain tumors.

Might she have some kind of medical issue that's causing altered perceptions and behaviors? Could such a thing be responsible for a string of choices so bad they lead to the deaths of so many people around her?
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Lori has hired three new lawyers and is seeking to reduce her bail yet again during Friday's hearing. After the hearing Friday, another hearing will be scheduled within 14-21 days wherein the prosecution must prove that the case should be advanced to District Court from Magistrate Court.
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Ok, so ABC news is reporting that Chad has stated the children are "safe."

That's it. That's the story.
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Lori has hired three new lawyers and is seeking to reduce her bail yet again during Friday's hearing. After the hearing Friday, another hearing will be scheduled within 14-21 days wherein the prosecution must prove that the case should be advanced to District Court from Magistrate Court.
It seems to me if she were to just produce the supposedly safe children, there'd be nothing to hold her for, and as such, no need for bail...
Maybe make her pay for all the costs involved in all the trouble she's caused.
If the kids are proven safe, let her go, but keep an eye on her too, because she's got blood on her hands still. Look for and find the evidence to charge her and accomplices proper.

But I don't think they can produce the kids, so, keep her locked up until there's a definitive answer.
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So the results of today's hearing:

-Bail remains at $5M, judge declined to reduce it due to her history of ignoring court orders.
Why set a bail at all, then?
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Why set a bail at all, then?
The money goes into state coffers if she jumps? That can pay for a lot of police work.
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The money goes into state coffers if she jumps? That can pay for a lot of police work.
Seems like putting child murderers away would be more important.
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It hasn't been shown to a prosecutor's liking that murder is involved yet.
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It seems to me if she were to just produce the supposedly safe children, there'd be nothing to hold her for, and as such, no need for bail...
Maybe make her pay for all the costs involved in all the trouble she's caused.
I think that even if she produced "safe kids" she might still be on the hook for contempt.
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I think that even if she produced "safe kids" she might still be on the hook for contempt.
That's basically the case, yeah.
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Why set a bail at all, then?
The money goes into state coffers if she jumps? That can pay for a lot of police work.

There's that. Also, in most jurisdictions (I don't know if the ones involved here are included) some sort of bail has to set, with exceptions for certain, specified major crimes in some of them. As usual, the statutes are all over the map. Literally, because each state sets their own, and there's no mandate for common ground.

Of course, that bail might be set at some level which the accused cannot possibly manage, which has the same effect as remand. They aren't supposed to do that, but it still happens.

This looks a lot like one of those instances.
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Nothing at all sketchy to see here folks.

Headline: "Chad Daybell made 'significant' increases to wife's life insurance policy DAYS before her sudden death"

https://www.crimeonline.com/2020/03/...things-report/
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I think that even if she produced "safe kids" she might still be on the hook for contempt.
Technically it's possible, but personally, I doubt it.

This case is about the safety of the kids. If the kids are found safe, I'm guessing the court will back off and leave it in the hands of child services. It's when child services have problems that they go to court for intervention.
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Technically it's possible, but personally, I doubt it.

This case is about the safety of the kids. If the kids are found safe, I'm guessing the court will back off and leave it in the hands of child services. It's when child services have problems that they go to court for intervention.
Oh, she's on the hook. And gauran-freaking-teed, they'll hit her with the max fine for contempt, especially because Idaho had to pay to extradite her from around the globe. Bitch gots to pay for that, no matter how it turns out.
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