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Old 5th March 2020, 09:01 AM   #321
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The other problem with dropping contempt charges is that it gives the green light to any other parent who would like to tell the authorities to shove it up their ass when they come to check on the welfare of their children.
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Old 5th March 2020, 09:15 AM   #322
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The other problem with dropping contempt charges is that it gives the green light to any other parent who would like to tell the authorities to shove it up their ass when they come to check on the welfare of their children.
But that's not what's happening here.

The question is, do they stick with the contempt charges if the kids are found safe?

Of course, if they don't produce the kids, the charges will stick. But this is a CHNS court, not a criminal court, and the focus is on the kids. So if the kids are produced and found safe, the court has done it's job. As I said, that's the point they leave it in the hand of child services.

Any parent who tells the authorities to stick it on a welfare check will be held in contempt until they allow appropriate access. That's the way it is done already, and will continue to be done.
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But that's not what's happening here.

The question is, do they stick with the contempt charges if the kids are found safe?

Of course, if they don't produce the kids, the charges will stick. But this is a CHNS court, not a criminal court, and the focus is on the kids. So if the kids are produced and found safe, the court has done it's job. As I said, that's the point they leave it in the hand of child services.

Any parent who tells the authorities to stick it on a welfare check will be held in contempt until they allow appropriate access. That's the way it is done already, and will continue to be done.
I do believe she has been extradited for the contempt charges. That ship done sailed; she is already being formally prosecuted for contempt.
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Old 5th March 2020, 09:27 AM   #324
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I do believe she has been extradited for the contempt charges. That ship done sailed; she is already being formally prosecuted for contempt.
BECAUSE SHE HASN'T PRODUCED THE KIDS!!!!!

That's not the scenario under discussion. The question is, what happens if she were to produce the kids? You keep saying what is happening now, but that is not the question.

I'm talking about what would happen if she went to the hearing tomorrow and said the kids were at the hotel with a nanny. I'm guessing the hearing would end immediately and child services would be there in 5 minutes to confirm it. And if they can confirm it, there might be a follow up hearing, but she's walking and they'll drop the contempt, so long as child services know where the kids are.
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She was extradited for two counts of felony desertion of a child, not the contempt charges.
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Old 5th March 2020, 09:38 AM   #326
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She was extradited for two counts of felony desertion of a child, not the contempt charges.
And if she produces the kids, then there's no more desertion.
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BECAUSE SHE HASN'T PRODUCED THE KIDS!!!!!

That's not the scenario under discussion. The question is, what happens if she were to produce the kids? You keep saying what is happening now, but that is not the question.

I'm talking about what would happen if she went to the hearing tomorrow and said the kids were at the hotel with a nanny. I'm guessing the hearing would end immediately and child services would be there in 5 minutes to confirm it. And if they can confirm it, there might be a follow up hearing, but she's walking and they'll drop the contempt, so long as child services know where the kids are.
She has not been extradited to produce the kids. She has been extradited for THE CHARGE OF CONTEMPT OF COURT. That ship has done sailed. It doesn't matter if she produces them now. She is deep in the charging stages of a CRIME outside of the welfare of the kids.

Do you think they would just forget about the criminal charge if the kids are presented? Why would they? Contempt, of which she is clearly guilty, is a standalone criminal offense. The circumstances surrounding it are irrelevant. She flipped off Idaho courts, and that has a price.
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Old 5th March 2020, 09:43 AM   #328
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She was extradited for two counts of felony desertion of a child, not the contempt charges.
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that.

Still, she's gonna be paying that contempt piper for the costs and flip-off. It's still an matter outside of the kid's welfare.
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And if she produces the kids, then there's no more desertion.
And the desertion issue is resolved, agreed.

Then there is STILL that business of contempt of a court order. She is still independently guilty of that specific and independent crime. It doesn't matter if the reasons for the order have been satisfactorily resolved. An accused does not get to decide which court orders they want to obey. It was not a court request.
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Assuming the children do show up alive, the desertion charges may still be valid, depending on who had them, and under what conditions.

And one can't help but wonder, if they are Ok, why hasn't she just told the authorities where they are?

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Assuming the children do show up alive, the desertion charges may still be valid, depending on who had them, and under what conditions.

And one can't help but wonder, if they are Ok, why hasn't she just told the authorities where they are?
Cuz granny got herself appointed custodian if the kids are found. So if Lori is trying to shake granny down for a taste of that $1mil life insurance, she can't give up her bargaining chip.
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She was extradited for two counts of felony desertion of a child, not the contempt charges.
And if she produces the kids, then there's no more desertion.

I'm not sure it works like that. If someone deserts their kids, just because they reunite with them doesn't make the act of desertion disappear. The kids had still been deserted.

I think details of the circumstances would come into play, but I can easily see how it would be possible for the charges to remain relevant.
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Cuz granny got herself appointed custodian if the kids are found. So if Lori is trying to shake granny down for a taste of that $1mil life insurance, she can't give up her bargaining chip.
Yes; this. I have a tiny hope the kids are alive, but being hidden from the extended family as a form of extortion.

But...I think it's more likely they are dead, but she's somehow hoping to gain something.

I wonder...if the kids have life insurance, but are in such poor condition when they're found, a jury might find reasonable doubt...so then...she'll stay out of prison and receive the benefit?
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FBI has released photos of Josh and Tylee's trip to Yellowstone, and have set up a webpage for people to send photos and videos that may contain the children during the trip there: https://fbi.gov/Rexburg

The vehicle they were traveling in was a Ford F-150 with Arizona plates CPQUINT.

Article w/ photos: https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/0...asks-for-help/
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FBI has released photos of Josh and Tylee's trip to Yellowstone, and have set up a webpage for people to send photos and videos that may contain the children during the trip there: https://fbi.gov/Rexburg

The vehicle they were traveling in was a Ford F-150 with Arizona plates CPQUINT.

Article w/ photos: https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/0...asks-for-help/
It is the same model and color of vehicle that is shown visiting the storage unit in security recordings. If the man visiting the storage unit at those times is Alex Cox, logically it would be Cox's vehicle. Which makes sense, considering that Cox was with the family at Yellowstone.

But in that case, I am confused at why the FBI is putting photos of the vehicle and the license plate on its website in a way that suggests the vehicle is unidentified, or is being sought. Was the truck not with Alex when he died? Are they actually looking for it?
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Just to play Devil's Advocate I'll be the one person here who thinks that the kids are alive. This creepy lunatic did not kill her kids and nobody else did either. There, I said it.
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It is the same model and color of vehicle that is shown visiting the storage unit in security recordings. If the man visiting the storage unit at those times is Alex Cox, logically it would be Cox's vehicle. Which makes sense, considering that Cox was with the family at Yellowstone.

But in that case, I am confused at why the FBI is putting photos of the vehicle and the license plate on its website in a way that suggests the vehicle is unidentified, or is being sought. Was the truck not with Alex when he died? Are they actually looking for it?
Because they're asking for photos and videos of the kids while at Yellowstone, and while people may not have seen the kids, they may have seen the truck which could help establish an arrival and departure time.
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He she turns up the kids the punishment for contempt will be "time served".

MAYBE they are OK, and it is all a life insurance scam. Gone wrong, the new charges would be insurance fraud. I see blind justice with her two scales, looking back and forth- contempt or fraud? contempt or fraud? contempt or fraud?
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Just an FYI, East Idaho News will be streaming today's hearing on their site and on their Facebook page. The hearing will be at 2 PM MST. It's supposed to be rather brief.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/
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Chad announced that the children are safe (and alive) because they are and he knows it.
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If they are alive and well can't understand why they don't make an appearance with the kids at say their lawyers office, or even merely a recent video or photo of them.
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The children are safe now in a form of amateur civilian "witness protection plan". Somebody wants to kill them - most especially Tylee. Lori and Chad arranged to have them be with someone who would care for and hide them. Revealing them or their location would put them in immediate danger. Those previous murders matter because Tylee is a primary witness and somebody wants her to be dead.

Lori doesn't want to be in jail but she will endure it in order to keep the kids safe. Her biggest challenge now is to somehow explain it to somebody without putting the kids at immediate risk.

I'm totally crazy, right?
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The children are safe now in a form of amateur civilian "witness protection plan". Somebody wants to kill them - most especially Tylee. Lori and Chad arranged to have them be with someone who would care for and hide them. Revealing them or their location would put them in immediate danger. Those previous murders matter because Tylee is a primary witness and somebody wants her to be dead.

Lori doesn't want to be in jail but she will endure it in order to keep the kids safe. Her biggest challenge now is to somehow explain it to somebody without putting the kids at immediate risk.

I'm totally crazy, right?
She could do that with the help of authorities, though. If she is more crudely trying to shake granny down, it becomes more plausible to keep the kids away from her till granny cuts a check. Now that granny got herself appointed guardian, Lori is stuck.
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She could do that with the help of authorities, though.
She wanted to do it without them because she doesn't trust or have full confidence that their location wouldn't become known. Also she feels that authorities would force a prosecutorial pursuit of the murderer and Tylee would be needed for that and boom she is vulnerable.

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If she is more crudely trying to shake granny down, it becomes more plausible to keep the kids away from her till granny cuts a check. Now that granny got herself appointed guardian, Lori is stuck.
Maybe. But either way the kids are alive and safe. But let me ask you a naive question. How would Lori explain this to Tylee? Would she be honest and tell her that she is being hidden because a granny shakedown is in progress? After all, Lori needs Tylee to cooperate with staying hidden. Otherwise, Tylee would need to be a forced captive ( kidnapped so to speak).
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Chad announced that the children are safe (and alive) because they are and he knows it.
A part of me clings to that hope, too.

But, he might've said that to help make sure no one just shoots him on sight.

I wouldn't trust either of them six inches at this juncture.
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But, he might've said that to help make sure no one just shoots him on sight.
You are talking about a random vigilante. I don't know how risky that actually is. After all, nobody has shot Casey Anthony. Can you think of anyone else who the public would want to be more dead than Anthony?
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Lori's bail got reduced to $1M during the hearing today, however if she makes bail she has to wear an ankle monitor and must stay within Bonneville, Jefferson, Madison and Fremont counties (in Idaho). Full report to come.

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Lori's bail got reduced to $1M during the hearing today, however if she makes bail she has to wear an ankle monitor and must stay within Bonneville, Jefferson, Madison and Fremont counties (in Idaho). Full report to come.
That seems like an enormous area of freedom for someone on an ankle monitor. Don't people on ankle monitors usually get confined to their home, or their neighborhood at most? Lori obviously does not have an established job or relationship with any other community service in that area that she could claim a right to reasonable access to. She doesn't even have an established residence.
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As I said on the current events channel on the Discord, I think they're going for the illusion of freedom.
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As I said on the current events channel on the Discord, I think they're going for the illusion of freedom.
I agree.
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Made a little map of the indicated area.
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So, she can visit Yellowstone?
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So, she can visit Yellowstone?
Ankle monitors have GPS.

But has she got the million? Bailsbonds cost 10%, if you don't pull any shenanigans. But they aren't going to put up the $1m if they think you will jump bail, and not have the M to pay them back. She will stay put.
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So, she can visit Yellowstone?

Evidently.
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Yes, but there doesn't seem to be any major roads entering from that county, but there are a number of small roads (trail heads?) just west of or barely meandering into it.
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Side note, Lori was collecting Social Security benefits off of the children whilst in Hawaii.

ETA: The preliminary hearing is scheduled for March 18-19, for the prosecution to prove that the case must be moved up to District Court.
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Old 7th March 2020, 08:16 AM   #357
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So is little Miss Lori still being comfortably detained in the Taterville hoosegow, or did the Chadmyster pony up a quarter of his insurance payout to spring her and her anklet?
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Old 7th March 2020, 09:32 AM   #358
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Originally Posted by gerdbonk View Post
So, she can visit Yellowstone?
Only a tiny undeveloped part of it. The rest is mostly in Wyoming, so not in those counties.
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Old 7th March 2020, 09:51 AM   #359
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The part she can visit is the part with the weird legal limbo thing going on. Otherwise, what Trebuchet said.
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Old 9th March 2020, 01:58 PM   #360
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Lori remains in jail, two bond companies have stated that they have been contacted but have declined to do business with her, specific reason(s) not given. An ankle monitor has been prepared for her if she does make bail.
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