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Old 7th June 2020, 04:32 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Mitt Romney marches in the Black Lives Matters protest in Washington today.
I don't always agree with Mitt Romney's politics, but he has something other Republican politicians these days lack: Common decency and a spine.
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Old 7th June 2020, 04:38 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
I don't always agree with Mitt Romney's politics, but he has something other Republican politicians these days lack: Common decency and a spine.
I think you meant to say "He's a RINO libtard cuck!"
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Old 7th June 2020, 04:39 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
You should send this to the FBI - they are looking for evidence of violence during the protests.
I doubt anyone there has the technical ability to open it.
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Old 7th June 2020, 04:52 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Even I don't think that's a good idea.

Criminals everywhere: "We're going to Minneapolis!"
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:02 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Even I don't think that's a good idea.

Criminals everywhere: "We're going to Minneapolis!"
I don't think that's the plan.

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Pressed for details on what the dismantling might look like, Bender told CNN she was looking to shift police funding toward community-based strategies and that the city council would discuss how to replace the current police department.

"The idea of having no police department is certainly not in the short term," she added.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/ge...day/index.html
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:03 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Even I don't think that's a good idea.

Criminals everywhere: "We're going to Minneapolis!"
Hmm. Sounds more like the plot of one of the very last and worst Police Academy movies rather than something anyone would actually do. I sure hope they have a plan rather than just noble intentions.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I don't think that's the plan.
Phew.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Well that's certainly not what was in the previous link. And it's more sensible.
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:11 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Hmm. Sounds more like the plot of one of the very last and worst Police Academy movies rather than something anyone would actually do. I sure hope they have a plan rather than just noble intentions.
"Police Academy Eight: Minneapolis Meltdown!"
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:15 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
I don't always agree with Mitt Romney's politics, but he has something other Republican politicians these days lack: Common decency and a spine.
Not really. I think he just sees the ship sinking. He was all about criticizing Trump before the 2017 election. Then when Trump was in power, Romney kissed the Trump ring for a bit. Romney is an opportunist.
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:18 PM   #51
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I just saw a comment on Twitter, something like, "Black Lives Matter is coming to the defense of a 75 year old white guy who got knocked down by the police, while the All Lives Matter crowd is siding with the police."
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Mitt Romney marches in the Black Lives Matters protest in Washington today.
Hope it was with a full battalion of bodyguards.
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Hope it was with a full battalion of bodyguards.
What?
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:24 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Even I don't think that's a good idea.

Criminals everywhere: "We're going to Minneapolis!"
Respectfully disagree. Let's see what they replace the department with, measure it's effectiveness and hold the City Counsel directly responsible for the results without shifting the credit or blame.
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
As an outsider you are evidently ignorant of the significant protests over Michael Brown and Freddie Gray while Obama was president. As an outsider you are evidently ignorant of the fact that BLM began while Obama was president. As an outsider, do all of us (including yourself) a flavor and learn more about US society if you're gonna insist on commenting on US society. Thanks.
Yes to all of that.

Just a comment on Obama, maybe it wasn't enough but he did take action. There's a lot of Obama bashing going on, how did a black man not take more aggressive steps. One word: McConnell.

The GOP blocked everything they could when Obama was POTUS. Then there was Trump who essentially stopped all further progress.

Justice Department Ends Era of Pushing Police Reform
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The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has announced that it will overhaul a six-year-old Obama-era program that had been put in place in the wake of police shootings and other controversial officer incidents.

In a statement released Sept. 15, the DOJ said it would significantly scale back its Collaborative Reform Initiative, effectively putting an end to federal efforts to reform local police departments and improve police-community relations. Instead, the Justice Department will focus on providing more direct support to officers fighting gangs, drugs and violent crime as well as those dealing with protests.
Even the police chiefs were unhappy with Trump.

NYT: How Trump’s Hands-Off Approach to Policing Is Frustrating Some Chiefs
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Craig Meidl, the police chief in Spokane, Wash., is one of a number of local law enforcement officials around the country who have supported an Obama-era policing program that has been scaled back by President Trump’s Justice Department...

SPOKANE, Wash. — Six years ago, a police officer in this city in eastern Washington was convicted of beating a disabled man to death and trying to cover it up. After other alarming episodes involving Spokane officers came to light, the city asked federal officials to suggest changes to the police department as part of an Obama-era policing program.

Ever since, use of force by officers has declined, as have complaints from residents.

“It is a great program,” said Craig Meidl, the Spokane police chief. “As a C.E.O. of a law enforcement organization, you’ll appreciate having an outsider come in and give you advice.”

But in September, the Justice Department announced it would significantly scale back the program, known as the collaborative reform initiative, and reorient it toward more hands-off “technical assistance.” ...
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Old 7th June 2020, 05:31 PM   #56
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You should send this to the FBI - they are looking for evidence of violence during the protests.
Do you have the proper email address I should use? I will.

It's not my original work, BTW. I'm passing it on from someone who was passing it on.
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I've seen a lot of comments from police who have praised Trump for relaxing all those nasty restrictions that Obama put on the police.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Do you have the proper email address I should use? I will.

It's not my original work, BTW. I'm passing it on from someone who was passing it on.
Pick a field office near where you live...

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

Click on their webpage link

Click on their Facebook or Twitter link (top right)

Send them a message
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I've seen a lot of comments from police who have praised Trump for relaxing all those nasty restrictions that Obama put on the police.
The mentality Trump promotes contributed to things getting worse when they needed to get a whole lot better.
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Because feeding poor people is socialism.
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What?

When reading TBV's posts, sometimes you have to think "Cain"!
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Pick a field office near where you live...

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

Click on their webpage link

Click on their Facebook or Twitter link (top right)

Send them a message
See, this is what I did not want to ******* do! I could not find a single email address after searching multiple pages at that link.

If you have an email address, this is what I wrote to send:
Google Doc Spread Sheet of incidents of police committing crimes against citizens including video evidence of the crimes.
It includes the "tweet above this one, a reporter notes that all of the tires for all the cars in a parking lot have been slashed. Turns out protestors caught the Minneapolis PD and National Guard on camera doing the slashing"

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...j9XWUp3Svb_KZA

Surely some of these fall under federal jurisdiction and are clear evidence of crimes.
You'll need to copy the actual address, quote the post to see it. Or post the email address and I'll send it.
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Another peaceful protest in the streets of Boston. Seems the cops are no longer interested in rioting in response to these events.
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When reading TBV's posts, sometimes you have to think "Cain"!
I kinda meant that one.
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Holy ****.

ETA: Ok seems like it was the actual police, and she was released later on, but this is ridiculous. Are there no rules to how these things are done? Sensible rules, I mean?
The twitter link isn't working for me (no twitter for me!), so I don't know the details of this particular case, but as I recall long ago, this question arose in Connecticut, and the State police position was that, at least for the State police, the ability and willingness to show proper ID was a requirement, and in the case of traffic stops, people were advised never to pull over or stop unless the trooper in question was wearing his trooper hat (and presumably uniform too, but the hat is what you see first). That was an important point, because since the 1950's Connecticut state police have driven unmarked cars, identified only by a shield on the front and rear, so they must be very careful that people know when they're being legitimately stopped. Hence an iron rule "don't pull over if you don't see the hat."

Of course that was long ago and it was Connecticut, so who knows what passes in the places where the police are a military occupying force.
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This would be hilarious if it wasn't so infuriating. From Seattle Police Department Twitter:
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At about 7:30 p.m. demonstrators outside the East Precinct began moving barricades at 11th and Pine despite multiple requests from police to stop. Individuals began throwing rocks/bottles/and explosives at officers. Several officers injured due to improvised explosives.
They include a picture of the improvised explosives. It's a candle, part of a makeshift memorial trampled by the officers. And less than 24 hours after declaring a 30 day moratorium on use of tear gas, they did.
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In Klamath Falls, Oregon, victory declared over antifa, which never showed up

Fascinating. They've gone completely bananas.
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The protests are global and in the UK there have been a lot over the weekend.

I note that the UK government is now resorting to "dogwhistle" messaging about the protests referring to "Thuggery"

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said anti-racism protests at the weekend were "subverted by thuggery" after some demonstrators clashed with police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52960756

Hardly surprising for a Prime Minister who has a history of using racially charged language ("Picaninnies", "Watermelon smiles", "pillar boxes" and so on), but particularly brazen when the protests are about racism.

I note that in my old "hometown" of Bristol, the statue of Edward Colston, Bristol benefactor as a result of his fortune resulting from the slave trade, ended up in the harbour. I wasn't sure how to feel about this (I'm against vandalism) until it was pointed out to me that there should be no statues of slavers anywhere.

I suppose It's understandable that some slave owners in the US should have statues - given how ubiquitous slave ownership was among the "founding fathers" but a statue to someone who made their fortune from the slave trade - regardless of how they used that fortune - is beyond the pale.
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Not really. I think he just sees the ship sinking.
Which, in and of itself, is a good sign.
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I think with Colston it is not just that he was a slave owner but by all accounts he was even for the times a ruthless mercantile slave trader who had no regard at all for the people he traded as cattle.
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This post contains a handy list of all the things that the protests have actually achieved.
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San Francisco may stop hiring cops with records of misconduct

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In San Francisco, the board of supervisors is considering a resolution introduced last week that would urge the civil service commission there to prohibit hiring officers with a history of serious misconduct.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/sa...-of-misconduct

Why would they be hiring them anyway?
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San Francisco may stop hiring cops with records of misconduct

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/sa...-of-misconduct

Why would they be hiring them anyway?
If the instances of misconduct are minor enough and/or long enough ago I suppose that wouldn't prevent them being hired.

If the misconduct were not considered misconduct by the hiring police department.

But you'd think that a history of misconduct should be a bar to employment.
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I note that in my old "hometown" of Bristol, the statue of Edward Colston, Bristol benefactor as a result of his fortune resulting from the slave trade, ended up in the harbour. I wasn't sure how to feel about this (I'm against vandalism) until it was pointed out to me that there should be no statues of slavers anywhere.

I suppose It's understandable that some slave owners in the US should have statues - given how ubiquitous slave ownership was among the "founding fathers" but a statue to someone who made their fortune from the slave trade - regardless of how they used that fortune - is beyond the pale.
I don’t think anyone can argue against the idea that we shouldn’t have statues up that glorify slave traders. The problem is when people choose to vandalise and dump it into the harbour while police watch on ‘because they had the right tools’ that is the shocking part. If we want them gone then let’s petition and get it sorted rather than resort to outright crime?
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Old 8th June 2020, 04:19 AM   #74
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Originally Posted by Stee View Post
I don’t think anyone can argue against the idea that we shouldn’t have statues up that glorify slave traders. The problem is when people choose to vandalise and dump it into the harbour while police watch on ‘because they had the right tools’ that is the shocking part. If we want them gone then let’s petition and get it sorted rather than resort to outright crime?
I would agree that it would be better to have brought the statue to be cut up and then re-use the material for something productive, but since going to all that trouble likely would have triggered a bunch of racists to spring to the statue's defense, and there would have been this whole big fight about it, and nobody could fortell what would happen, it's better to just throw it in the river. Solves the issue, and I guess the statue can be home to a few bottom-feeding fishes.
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This should probably go in the dedicated thread, but since it's here...

Originally Posted by Stee View Post
I don’t think anyone can argue against the idea that we shouldn’t have statues up that glorify slave traders. The problem is when people choose to vandalise and dump it into the harbour while police watch on ‘because they had the right tools’ that is the shocking part. If we want them gone then let’s petition and get it sorted rather than resort to outright crime?
You mean like this one? Or this one?

The mayor considered it a personal affront, too, according to his own words. And yet the most that had been achieved was dithering for the last 2 years to change the wording on the plaque to acknowledge the fact that he was a slave trader - but this never actually happened, because no agreement could be reached on the wording.

Well, **** it. Gone. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Stee View Post
I don’t think anyone can argue against the idea that we shouldn’t have statues up that glorify slave traders. The problem is when people choose to vandalise and dump it into the harbour while police watch on ‘because they had the right tools’ that is the shocking part. If we want them gone then let’s petition and get it sorted rather than resort to outright crime?
Do you really think this is the first time the subject of the statue has come up? There have been petitions, complaints and arguments about it for years. Apart from adding a second plaque on it to mention (for the first time) Colston's association with the slave trade, exactly nothing was done.

ETA: I just double checked that and, although a second plaque was agreed, it hadn't actually been added yet because they were still arguing about the wording. I also noticed when I looked for this post to edit it that this is not the split thread for the statues discussion, sorry mods.
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On Sunday afternoon, a veto-proof majority of Minneapolis City Council members announced their commitment to disbanding the city’s embattled police department, which has endured relentless criticism in the wake of the police killing of George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, on May 25.
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As other cities in the country begin de-escalating police violence towards demonstrators, Seattle is escalating.

Video of this weekend in which Seattle PD blanket the street in tear gas.

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...94080454148098


There is also video of the Seattle PD giving very gentle treatment to a counter-protester who drove a car into the crowd and shot someone. Seems that all those billy clubs and tear gas are reserved for those wanting police reform.

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status...53294840733696
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This was briefly mentioned on Last Week Tonight last night, but Minneapolis isn't the first city in recent years to disband their police dept. I don't know if that city is planning to follow the model set by Camden, NJ, but that is another city that recently disbanded the police, and evidently it has worked rather well:

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Disbanding an entire police department isn't unheard of—the city of Camden, New Jersey did it in 2013 and as a result, saw an improvement in the relationship between police and residents as well as a dramatic drop in violent crime.

Scott Thomson, Camden's police chief until last year, oversaw the city's shift to community policing around eight years ago.

At the time, Camden had become synonymous with crime and was considered among the deadliest cities in the U.S. After a rise in homicides in 2012, the city had wanted more officers patrolling the streets, but couldn't afford to hire them, according to Bloomberg.

The following year, the city's police department was disbanded and replaced with a new one covering Camden County that had more officers, but on lower pay, according to a City Lab report.
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Last year, the city adopted a new use-of-force policy that instructs officers to de-escalate first and fire weapons and use any other force only as a "last resort." Thomson told NJ.com at the time that the policy should be used as a national model.

The remaking of Camden's police department appears to have led to crime rates falling in the city. Camden recorded 67 homicides in 2012, while last year, there were 25, according to Bloomberg.

Now, Camden is being hailed as an example of how police departments can be reformed as protests against police brutality and systemic racism continue across the U.S.

https://www.newsweek.com/minneapolis...rtment-1509327

(actually, I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread, but it's not really inappropriate here so I'll leave it up here, too)

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