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Old 21st January 2021, 04:45 AM   #3401
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A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.

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The UK is refusing to give Joao Vale de Almeida the full diplomatic status that is granted to other ambassadors.

The Foreign Office is insisting he and his officials should not have the privileges and immunities afforded to diplomats under the Vienna Convention.

It is understood not to want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

As it stands, the ambassador would not have the chance to present his credentials to the Queen like other diplomatic heads of mission.

The British decision is in marked contrast to 142 other countries around the world where the EU has delegations and where its ambassadors are all granted the same status as diplomats representing sovereign nations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.

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Old 21st January 2021, 05:24 AM   #3402
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.
It's provoking conflict with the EU for no other reason than the hope it will get a positive headline in the Daily Mail.
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Old 21st January 2021, 05:26 AM   #3403
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It's provoking conflict with the EU for no other reason than the hope it will get a positive headline in the Daily Mail.
If we refuse to recognise EU driving licenses doesn't the issue of diplomatic immunity go away?
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Old 21st January 2021, 06:18 AM   #3404
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.
No because, in the EU the poor benighted UK was forced at gunpoint to sign international agreements, while it was clear they never actually wanted to. So now they have their sovereignty back any international agreements signed in that time can be safely ignored at will.
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Old 21st January 2021, 07:15 AM   #3405
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Catching fewer fish is better for the ocean ecosystem, but fish certainly won't be able to spawn in peace just because no one bothers to catch them in UK waters. Fish don't know where the border is and most will routinely cross that border as part of their normal migrations. If fishing in UK waters drops off more fish can and will be caught on the EU side of that border.
And yet fish distributions have been moving northwards for years. Could be climate change, could be as a result of Detailed Studies and Preparatory Planning for the Piscatorial Post-Brexit Opportunities and Challenges as available on the gov.uk website.
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Old 21st January 2021, 08:15 AM   #3406
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And yet fish distributions have been moving northwards for years. Could be climate change, could be as a result of Detailed Studies and Preparatory Planning for the Piscatorial Post-Brexit Opportunities and Challenges as available on the gov.uk website.
We will be happy to welcome expat fish here in Norway!
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Old 21st January 2021, 01:39 PM   #3407
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I would be lying, though, if I said, I didn't feel any schadenfreude concernig this whole salvo shooting one's own feet.
I think it's even better than that - there's a hugely karmic feel to it from outside, with the Poms' hubris having finally caught up with them, and it doesn't taste anything like what they expected.

Too many people in the world look back with rose-tinted spectacles and the reality isn't quite how they saw it.
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Old 21st January 2021, 02:28 PM   #3408
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I think it's even better than that - there's a hugely karmic feel to it from outside, with the Poms' hubris having finally caught up with them, and it doesn't taste anything like what they expected.

Too many people in the world look back with rose-tinted spectacles and the reality isn't quite how they saw it.
So true. So very true.
But I was trying to be a bit polite about it.
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:47 PM   #3409
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...polite...
Sorry, I don't recognise that word. I'll go look it up.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:18 AM   #3410
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Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.

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France has said it is ready to provide financial support for Eurostar, whose business has been hit hard by coronavirus-related travel restrictions.

The French government is in talks with the British government over the issue, its junior transport minister said.

"The state will be at Eurostar's side in order to maintain this strategic link between our two countries," Jean-Baptiste Djebbari told a parliament committee for sustainable development on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:35 AM   #3411
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Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail tweets

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#nissan one of the most vocal critics of Brexit now says it has given them a 'competitive edge' and will lead to more investment in Sunderland. its a vote of confidence in UK
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:37 AM   #3412
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But it's not because Brexit is overall positive for the UK, is it.

It's because Nissan can take advantage of Brexit's damage to other UK car makers.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 05:42 AM   #3413
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Good set of tweets on the real history of fishing rights - tweets collated via threadreaderapp.



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...153878018.html
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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:23 AM   #3414
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
Of course they were. There are precise rules for state aid and option to ask Commission for exception. There was never blanket ban on it.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:51 AM   #3415
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
Rules regarding state aid have been relaxed by a large degree due to the economic crisis.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 03:50 AM   #3416
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No more EU messing around with our curvy bananas...

£100,000 of tariffs slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa threatening farmers with ruin
... Liz Truss under pressure to explain why punishing levies being charged - despite announcement that UK-Ghana deal was struck ...

... A shipment from Ghana, due this weekend, was set to pay charges of £20-25,000, taking total tariffs imposed this month through the £100,000 barrier.....

No sympathy with the farmers acting so surprised, I mean the government ran adverts on the telly in the UK saying be prepared for changes on the 1st, yeah they didn’t tell people how to be prepared, or what changes were coming but that’s just a minor detail.

It is of course Ghana’s fault - after all they believed what Truss said!
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Old 23rd January 2021, 05:08 AM   #3417
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No more EU messing around with our curvy bananas...

£100,000 of tariffs slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa threatening farmers with ruin
... Liz Truss under pressure to explain why punishing levies being charged - despite announcement that UK-Ghana deal was struck ...

... A shipment from Ghana, due this weekend, was set to pay charges of £20-25,000, taking total tariffs imposed this month through the £100,000 barrier.....

No sympathy with the farmers acting so surprised, I mean the government ran adverts on the telly in the UK saying be prepared for changes on the 1st, yeah they didn’t tell people how to be prepared, or what changes were coming but that’s just a minor detail.

It is of course Ghana’s fault - after all they believed what Truss said!
As someone from the government curtly told the GUARDIAN in response to its request for a comment on the news story of a Cheshire cheese maker having to possibly relocate to France because of - shall we say - problems post-Brexit, they should just read the instructions on the government Brexit pages.

For goodness sake, Darat, it is not Elizabeth Truss' fault. Point the finger where blame belongs: EU and now Ghana. Kah!
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Old 23rd January 2021, 01:32 PM   #3418
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Nigel Farage tweets

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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Nigel Farage tweets

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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
Farage typically misremembering again, it was Nissan themselves who threatened to leave it there was no deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195
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Old 23rd January 2021, 02:45 PM   #3420
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Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
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Old 23rd January 2021, 03:30 PM   #3421
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
This is great! It's pretty much an invasion, getting behind enemy lines, infiltrating ... D-Day very nearly! Ha! That'll show Johnny Foreigner!

In other news, we were just reading that the charges for UK/EU international house removals (which we had last May) may skyrocket if/when duty becomes payable on the value of the contents. The report we read suggested a removal between UK and Portugal that used to cost £4k would rise to £14k, though the actual charge would vary from case to case.

Algarve Removals, Essex
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
Does this count as an admission that it was all a huge mistake? Because I don't see an other intepretation?
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This is great! It's pretty much an invasion, getting behind enemy lines, infiltrating ... D-Day very nearly! Ha! That'll show Johnny Foreigner!

In other news, we were just reading that the charges for UK/EU international house removals (which we had last May) may skyrocket if/when duty becomes payable on the value of the contents. The report we read suggested a removal between UK and Portugal that used to cost £4k would rise to £14k, though the actual charge would vary from case to case.

Algarve Removals, Essex
It seems the couple quoted in the article moved to the Algarve last year so should have been pre-Brexit? I suspect the Covid19 situation must have delayed things? Most of the 128,000 UK passport holders who departed the UK before Brexit kicked in would surely have made sure they did before the deadline.

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One of Algarve Removals' clients who had already moved to Portugal last year, had no choice but to pay £25,000 to be reunited with their personal effects.
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I gave away most of my stuff - donated newish clothes, shoes, coats and about 100 boxes of books, CDs, DVDs to Oxfam, who collected them for free. British Red Cross collects unwanted furniture. I wanted to design my new property from scratch, but still had an amazing number of packing boxes of every size I wanted to take with me, paying Pickfords £3K. They seem to have contracted DB Schenkers to deliver the stuff, which I only received some six weeks after moving in and having to chase them up (just as well as I was newly furnishing the place and putting up fixtures and fittings anyway - curtains, light fittings [took me a while to figure this out as here, it's not just sticking in a light bulb, you have to do the entire light fitting!]). To my mind, paying £25,000 for removals is nuts, as you might as well buy completely new furniture or even a brand new car with that sum of money.
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Old 24th January 2021, 03:59 AM   #3424
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Does this count as an admission that it was all a huge mistake? Because I don't see an other intepretation?
I am not sure if it is an admission but it would be easier for businesses. It is not good for UK plc. Currently the tax on profits will all come to the UK exchequer. Setting up a co in the EU and the profits will be split between the EU and UK. Same with the tax.
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DUP leader Arlene Foster has said a potential vote on a united Ireland would be "absolutely reckless".

She was speaking after a poll commissioned by the Sunday Times in NI found 51% of people want a referendum on Irish unity in the next five years.

Speaking to Sky News, the first minister said "we all know how divisive a border poll would be".

Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill said there was an "unstoppable conversation under way" on the issue.

The deputy first minister called on the Irish government "to step up preparations" for a border poll.

Provisions for a possible border poll on Irish reunification are included in the Good Friday Agreement - the deal which led to peace in Northern Ireland after decades of violence.

It states that the Northern Ireland Secretary must call a border poll if at any time it appears "likely" that a majority of people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55783805
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I am not sure if it is an admission but it would be easier for businesses. It is not good for UK plc. Currently the tax on profits will all come to the UK exchequer. Setting up a co in the EU and the profits will be split between the EU and UK. Same with the tax.
And anyway, it would have been MUCH more sensible to set up an office/distribution centre in the EU BEFORE Brexit not AFTER Brexit. _DOH!
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DUP leader Arlene Foster has said a potential vote on a united Ireland would be "absolutely reckless".

She was speaking after a poll commissioned by the Sunday Times in NI found 51% of people want a referendum on Irish unity in the next five years.

Speaking to Sky News, the first minister said "we all know how divisive a border poll would be".

Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill said there was an "unstoppable conversation under way" on the issue.

The deputy first minister called on the Irish government "to step up preparations" for a border poll.

Provisions for a possible border poll on Irish reunification are included in the Good Friday Agreement - the deal which led to peace in Northern Ireland after decades of violence.

It states that the Northern Ireland Secretary must call a border poll if at any time it appears "likely" that a majority of people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55783805
Oh good grief.

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And anyway, it would have been MUCH more sensible to set up an office/distribution centre in the EU BEFORE Brexit not AFTER Brexit. _DOH!
They were assured that trade would continue without restrictions by Brexiteers and stupidly believed them.
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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
WTF? "As predicted" by whom? The Brexiteer line has been that the Japanese car makers were leaving anyway, taking manufacturing home.

Plus of course there is zero chance Nissan would have given this new work to their UK plant if Farage had got the No Deal exit he demanded.

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Old 24th January 2021, 05:11 AM   #3429
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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
Nissan is staying because of the free trade deal, which ties us to EU rules.......

Also Nissan staying needs clarification.
Over the last few years the big question at Nissan is which of the new models will be made at Sunderland. During that time we have seen both mass redundancies and recruitment. The key question is not whether Nissan will stay or go more will they continue to run the plant at capacity or will they slowly start running it down.
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To my mind, paying £25,000 for removals is nuts, as you might as well buy completely new furniture or even a brand new car with that sum of money.
It would still a considerable expense and, speaking personally, we'd have been devastated to lose some of that stuff, such as decades of photos, antique furniture pieces, etc etc etc. It would have been a case of returning to wherever the load was stored and sorting through it to pick out the vital items, which would be a colossal hassle and pretty expensive and would still leave the 'disposable' stuff to be disposed of.

In short, your airy dismissal and 'might as well buy new' attitude is thoughtless and superficial.
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Old 24th January 2021, 09:14 AM   #3431
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Food program on Radio 4 was looking at the fishing debacle today
Digging in to it the increase in quota the UK has ended up with is only an increase of 8% after 5 years with no increase in the Channel. Exclusive limit is only 5 miles, not the 12 miles that was the 'red line'
Exports costs to europe are showing a 50% increase with a doubling of the journey time door to door.
23 million quid for the Fishermen in the short term and a £100 million 'development' package promised in the longer term.
what if they spend it all on booze, fags, drugs and hookers.
Why aren't the government giving them vouchers or a hamper instead?
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Old 24th January 2021, 09:59 AM   #3432
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There is plenty of support for growing more of our own food. Tell your local supermarket we want more U.K. produce. I am pressing the government to get behind our farmers and fishing industry. Not much choice of U.K. cheeses, fruit and veg in some shops.
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That's right John.
Farmers can just turn around and produce home grown tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and soft fruit in the middle of winter with not enough greenhouse infrastructure to produce even a tenth of the demand.

He means turnips doesn't he?
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Old 24th January 2021, 10:22 AM   #3434
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It would still a considerable expense and, speaking personally, we'd have been devastated to lose some of that stuff, such as decades of photos, antique furniture pieces, etc etc etc. It would have been a case of returning to wherever the load was stored and sorting through it to pick out the vital items, which would be a colossal hassle and pretty expensive and would still leave the 'disposable' stuff to be disposed of.

In short, your airy dismissal and 'might as well buy new' attitude is thoughtless and superficial.
It was common knowledge that the Brexit transition period ended at 31 Dec 2020 and all nationality and residency issues should be put into motion by then, both home and abroad in the EU. Anyone leaving it until after that date must surely have been aware they were likely setting themselves up for a lot of paperwork and border/customs issues.

The £25,000 figure is an imaginary one for a hypothetical person in the Algarve who now wants to move furniture and chattels to the UK. The author of the article which you yourself quoted I dare say is exaggerating to make a point.

It is of course the prerogative of anybody who wants to pay £25K for removals when just three weeks earlier it would have been £4K. Not very wise, IMV. But there you are.
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That's right John.
Farmers can just turn around and produce home grown tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and soft fruit in the middle of winter with not enough greenhouse infrastructure to produce even a tenth of the demand.

He means turnips doesn't he?
Who is going to pick all of the soft fruit now that the professional and efficient Romanian gangs have been sent packing? Brits don't want to do it that's for sure, despite much job advertising.
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John Redwood tweeted

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There is plenty of support for growing more of our own food. Tell your local supermarket we want more U.K. produce. I am pressing the government to get behind our farmers and fishing industry. Not much choice of U.K. cheeses, fruit and veg in some shops.

Don’t worry John, there’ll soon be as much choice of UK cheeses, fruit and veg as there is of non-UK cheese, fruit and veg.
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It was common knowledge that the Brexit transition period ended at 31 Dec 2020 and all nationality and residency issues should be put into motion by then, both home and abroad in the EU. Anyone leaving it until after that date must surely have been aware they were likely setting themselves up for a lot of paperwork and border/customs issues.
Weren't you taken by surprise by customs holdups and unexpected charges to do with a purchase? Or was that someone else? Was there fair warning about this kind of thing? I don't recall it.
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Weren't you taken by surprise by customs holdups and unexpected charges to do with a purchase? Or was that someone else? Was there fair warning about this kind of thing? I don't recall it.
I haven't purchased anything online post-Brexit. Someone in England sent me a parcel as a gift. I asked him if he'd completed a customs form and the answer was 'no', so I was quite aware of the need. He ordered it from Amazon and they didn't raise any issue at the time of order, which included VAT and postage.

The Algarve Removals firm in Essex you produced must surely have had some inkling things would be different after post-Brexit. That much is common sense. No more Freedom of Movement. Individuals moving effects into the EU from the UK or vice versa must surely have done their homework, or at least an international removals company? Pickfords have pages on what customs duties to expect moving abroad, depending on which country you are headed to. The Algarve Removal company should keep up to speed on these things and advise their customers accordingly.
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Just had a notification from UPS that there is a parcel for me. Because it is from the UK unless I have a Finnish ID I will have to pay €17.85 per diem after three days. This never happened before. They are calling it 'Customs Clearance'.

I hope they deliver to my door as my car is underneath a whole pile of snow and the oil light is flashing.

I don't really understand why a non-Finn would have to pay customs clearance from the UK. That doesn't quite make sense.
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I haven't purchased anything online post-Brexit. Someone in England sent me a parcel as a gift. I asked him if he'd completed a customs form and the answer was 'no', so I was quite aware of the need. He ordered it from Amazon and they didn't raise any issue at the time of order, which included VAT and postage.

The Algarve Removals firm in Essex you produced must surely have had some inkling things would be different after post-Brexit. That much is common sense. No more Freedom of Movement. Individuals moving effects into the EU from the UK or vice versa must surely have done their homework, or at least an international removals company? Pickfords have pages on what customs duties to expect moving abroad, depending on which country you are headed to. The Algarve Removal company should keep up to speed on these things and advise their customers accordingly.
Well, it obviously came as a shock to you, hence your 'doesn't quite make sense' comment. Is it surprising that others were taken unawares?
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Well, it obviously came as a shock to you, hence your 'doesn't quite make sense' comment. Is it surprising that others were taken unawares?
Look, don't have a go at me. The Algarve Removals company must have known that after Brexit the business of moving Brits to Portugal and Spain whether for holiday homes, retirement or just to spend a few years doing whatever was about to come to an end. AIUI a massive majority of people in Essex voted leave. They should have been more careful of what they wished for.

My advice is: do your own research into Brexit/Covid19/election manifestoes because you can't expect the likes of David Davies, David Frost and Alexander Johnson to be trustworthy, frank and transparent with you.

Of course I feel sorry for all those ex-pats who didn't realise they needed to get their removals sorted before 31.12.2020. It's not me that's slapped on various customs charges and value-added tax! Have a go at the right people.
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