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Old 23rd December 2020, 10:16 AM   #1
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Tell me about Flash

As announced long ago, Flash Player will not be supported after Dec. 31 (what it calls its "end of life date,") and will actually block Flash content starting Jan. 12. What does this mean for the user? What will web sites no longer be able to provide, and what will I no longer be able to see? Or is this already so obsolete that it's rarely used now?
https://www.adobe.com/products/flash...d-of-life.html

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Old 23rd December 2020, 10:19 AM   #2
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Thought this was a superhero origin story thread.

Doesn't it belong in computers?
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Old 23rd December 2020, 10:33 AM   #3
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I have had flash completely uninstalled for years, and it is maybe once a month that I encounter something that needed it. And nothing I couldn't get elsewhere.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 10:42 AM   #4
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What does this mean for the user?
Not much. A lot of browsers don't support flash by default, and a lot of sites have already stopped using it anyway.

What will web sites no longer be able to provide,
Flash content. Typically some sort of graphical thing. Either a small video clip or an interactive menu or something like that. But there are many other, better, ways to provide these things now.

and what will I no longer be able to see?
Flash content.

Or is this already so obsolete that it's rarely used now?
Pretty much this.

But you can easily experiment. Just look up how to turn off Flash support in your browser of choice, and see if you notice anything different about your Internet experience over the next few weeks.

If your Internet experience includes a lot of flash-using websites, you should start seeing lots of really obvious empty spaces on websites, with a little jigsaw-puzzle icon in the middle, and a message along the lines of the content in that space needing a Flash player and do you want to enable/download/install one?

But I'm betting that in the current year you probably won't notice much of a difference at all. Chrome stopped enabling flash by default some time ago, and I can't remember when I last saw a "you need flash" message on a website.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 01:03 PM   #5
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There are a few sites with flash games that will lose all their content, but unless you were one of those people that liked to play the older flash-based web games then there won't be a lot of change.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 02:23 PM   #6
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Flash died as an important technique when Apple decided to not allow it on their platform, which was several years ago. It has always been problematic from a security point of view. Most of what it delivered can be and is been done with JavaScript and CSS3 these days, and it is what annoys you about what is happening on all these commercial sites.
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You are forgetting about corporations that have business critical applications that use flash and haven't updated or replaced the flash using application yet.
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You are forgetting about corporations that have business critical applications that use flash and haven't updated or replaced the flash using application yet.

Are you talking to Adobe?
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No. Corporations that use applications that require flash.
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If some place is still running programs that use Flash, as a corporation or company, with almost a decade of knowledge that it was going to die, then that is on them. They should be scolded.

I tell my clients the same thing when a program that's 10+ years old is dying. You can either pay for it now and have a pretty painless transition, or wait until it becomes a fire because the software is EOL'd.
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Old 30th December 2020, 11:49 AM   #13
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There are a few sites with flash games that will lose all their content, but unless you were one of those people that liked to play the older flash-based web games then there won't be a lot of change.
I guess Boom Boom vollyeball is gone then. The game was basically Pong (for those old enough to remember Pong) with better graphics, i.e. bikini-clad cartoon girls playing volleyball. There was even a cheat code that would change it to topless cartoon girls. This game was probably the peak of Flash technology.

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Flash died as an important technique when Apple decided to not allow it on their platform, which was several years ago. It has always been problematic from a security point of view. Most of what it delivered can be and is been done with JavaScript and CSS3 these days, and it is what annoys you about what is happening on all these commercial sites.
I can remember a fair number of websites that implemented in Flash, stuff that could just as well been done with html forms, with or even without a little bit of Javascript.
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One of the main tools we use at work (I work at a TV station) for ingesting and checking material has been down all day, because it runs on Flash. This has been a huge hassle and I've had to install and old version of Internet Explorer in order to get it to work.

I did point out that Flash was going to stop working about a year ago, and I kind of assumed that the IT department would (a) know about this and (b) do something about it. Turns out I was wrong!
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One of the main tools we use at work (I work at a TV station) for ingesting and checking material has been down all day, because it runs on Flash. This has been a huge hassle and I've had to install and old version of Internet Explorer in order to get it to work.

I did point out that Flash was going to stop working about a year ago, and I kind of assumed that the IT department would (a) know about this and (b) do something about it. Turns out I was wrong!
It's not a resolution by any means but one of the companies I do IT for needed a box that would run flash. I just spun up a virtual machine for the guy on VMWare Workstation that ran Windows XP...not to give anyone ideas on how to keep using Flash.
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Is there a good place to get step by step instructions for setting up a VMWare Windows XP? I've tried to before but I wind up losing track of what to do next.

I don't want to use Flash, I want to play 16-bit games that don't work on 64 bit Windows 10. Stuff like Full Tilt Pinball.
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Is there a good place to get step by step instructions for setting up a VMWare Windows XP? I've tried to before but I wind up losing track of what to do next.

I don't want to use Flash, I want to play 16-bit games that don't work on 64 bit Windows 10. Stuff like Full Tilt Pinball.
It's been awhile. Tracking down some form of ISO would be the toughest part, I'm pretty sure a buddy of mine had the disks when I made that one. They paid for VMWare because they were a business, but I think there are cheap free players, or maybe Workstation is free. Like I said, it's been awhile lol.

I'd think there might be an image on github somewhere. I can take a look a bit later.
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We ended up installing an old version of Internet Explorer, and then installing an old version of the Flash plug in so our essential software would run.

In case you're wondering, I work for Viacom/CBS.
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We ended up installing an old version of Internet Explorer, and then installing an old version of the Flash plug in so our essential software would run.

In case you're wondering, I work for Viacom/CBS.
Wow. As a guy that works in the IT industry it has been easier to get money, but we're usually last on the list. We've needed to upgrade our financial software since I got here almost 2 years ago, and I still haven't been given the green light.
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I think there's more places using Flash than would like to admit.
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Old 18th January 2021, 12:10 AM   #22
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and what will I no longer be able to see?
Flash content.
 
I think its disgusting they think they can tell people what they can and cant use....

I have used and enjoyed flash,java and shockwave for years....... Im glad im on an older browser that lets me do WHAT I WANT!! (IE6 (MyIE2))

Thankfully I can still play flash games.... I would not like it if I couldnt.... THIS IS MY COMPUTER!!!

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I think its disgusting they think they can tell people what they can and cant use....

I have used and enjoyed flash,java and shockwave for years....... Im glad im on an older browser that lets me do WHAT I WANT!! (IE6 (MyIE2))

Thankfully I can still play flash games.... I would not like it if I couldnt.... THIS IS MY COMPUTER!!!
It's technically the company that is telling you not to use it. It's a security nightmare, and causes more problems than it solves. I'm glad you're standing up to the man though. It's a weird hill to fight on, in my humble opinion, but we each have our battles.
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Well, it's a few days past the hard deadline. I haven't come across any stories of business being shut down, or even of people being mildly inconvenienced.
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I have modern software, I browse the Internet and not noticed anything. Have I missed anything? Any links to sites that do not work as advertised?
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Well, it's a few days past the hard deadline. I haven't come across any stories of business being shut down, or even of people being mildly inconvenienced.
Hello? Have you got me on ignore or something?
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I have modern software, I browse the Internet and not noticed anything. Have I missed anything? Any links to sites that do not work as advertised?
I think someone mentioned upthread, but there really aren't many websites that run on Flash. Most have switched over to HTML5 or something similar. The death of Flash has been ongoing for at least 5 years that I can remember, probably longer.
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We ended up installing an old version of Internet Explorer, and then installing an old version of the Flash plug in so our essential software would run.

In case you're wondering, I work for Viacom/CBS.
Sweet effing jeebus but why was this not fixed well in advance?
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Thats good to know!! (Lets hope they dont ruin it somehow)
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Sweet effing jeebus but why was this not fixed well in advance?
That is a question I have asked several times. So far I've had no sensible answer.

My best guess is that people in IT kept hoping that by the time Flash was switched off, we'd have a whole different set of software and the element that uses Flash would be obsolete already.

As the switch-off got closer, the thinking appears to have been that if we simply failed to update browsers, we could carry on using it until the software is finally replaced. And indeed, that is, in a way, what we've done (reverted to an old version of IE and instituted a patch that prevents Microsoft updates from pushing out the Adobe kill switch).

This would be embarrassing in a company that consisted of me as a sole trader. In a company with 24,000 employees it's a bit more embarrassing I would say.
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This would be embarrassing in a company that consisted of me as a sole trader. In a company with 24,000 employees it's a bit more embarrassing I would say.
I would have to agree there. I can't imagine that TV stations have been doing worse off during a pandemic given that all people are doing is sitting at home watching TV. They should have the means to get new software or get a solid work around.

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Harman is providing a custom browser for companies that still need Flash.
That is helpful!
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Sweet effing jeebus but why was this not fixed well in advance?
You gotta update your corpspeak module:

Installing a compatible browser WAS the fix. It came in ahead of schedule and under budget, netting the VP making that decision a handsome cash bonus, and the people that actually did the work a solid pat on the head (maybe even a hearty "Good job, old boy!", if they were lucky).
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I would have to agree there. I can't imagine that TV stations have been doing worse off during a pandemic given that all people are doing is sitting at home watching TV.
Unfortunately, while viewing figures are up, advertising revenue is down. And since advertising revenue is the only one of those two metrics that anyone actually cares about, TV stations have, in fact, been worse off.
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Unfortunately, while viewing figures are up, advertising revenue is down. And since advertising revenue is the only one of those two metrics that anyone actually cares about, TV stations have, in fact, been worse off.
Noted, I learned something new today!
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It helps me to think of viewing figures as production numbers, with advertising revenue as sales numbers.
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My mother emailed me because her favorite online jigsaw puzzle website no longer works. She asked me if I could find her ones that still work, rather than try to look herself.
 
Do you know the link buddy?? I like sites like that
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Do you know the link buddy?? I like sites like that

These are the ones I sent her.

https://www.dailyjigsawpuzzles.net/
https://thejigsawpuzzles.com/
https://www.onlinejigsawpuzzles.net/
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Old 23rd January 2021, 09:10 PM   #40
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