[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero - Page 3

Garrison · 24th September 2019, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by McHrozni

Suspension was ruled unlawful. Chopping block sales skyrocket (alledgedly).

McHrozni

And it was a unanimous decision.

Wudang · 24th September 2019, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

And it was a unanimous decision.

Which is interesting because beforehand the best legal types I follow thought was plausible was 8:3. However all also said all bets were off.

Garrison · 24th September 2019, 03:15 AM

I think Johnson really thought he could go full Trump, just take a wrecking ball to all precedent and process and get away with it. Parliamentary and judicial sovereignty in action BoJo!

Darat · 24th September 2019, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

All 11 Supreme Court judges find against Boris. Which git wanted to sideline the ECJ?

I'm amazed it was a unanimous decision.

wobs · 24th September 2019, 03:55 AM

Days since Boris's last catastrophe: 0

Information Analyst · 24th September 2019, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

On Channel 4 News Boris claimed that once out of the EU we can ban the sale of shark fin soup.
Shark finning was banned in the EU years ago, but the trade in shark fins cannot be banned due to WTO rules, not because of the EU.

After the kippers, he's obviously moving on to bigger fish....

GlennB · 24th September 2019, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Days since Boris's last catastrophe: 0

If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth.

Garrison · 24th September 2019, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by GlennB

If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth.

Rather depends on whose bed he's in...

a_unique_person · 24th September 2019, 04:01 AM

When this is all over, Boris is going to find himself remarkably short of friends.

Information Analyst · 24th September 2019, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by GlennB

If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth.

That would depend on whose bed he was in.

ETA: Beaten to it by Garrison.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 04:07 AM

I'm incredibly heartened. The decision is more than I had dared hope for.

wobs · 24th September 2019, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

I'm incredibly heartened. The decision is more than I had dared hope for.

Seconded

a_unique_person · 24th September 2019, 04:12 AM

So, does every one just turn up for work tomorrow?

McHrozni · 24th September 2019, 04:12 AM

Parliament already scheduled a series of PM's questions for tommorow. That sounds rather unpleasant.

It will also reset the counter above.

McHrozni

angrysoba · 24th September 2019, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

So, does every one just turn up for work tomorrow?

Bercow says yes.

Wudang · 24th September 2019, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by McHrozni

Parliament already scheduled a series of PM's questions for tommorow. That sounds rather unpleasant.

John Bercow has just been on BBC news. It's too late to give notice for PMQ but he is allowing room for urgent statements and questions for Ministers etc. So effectivly yes.

erlando · 24th September 2019, 04:20 AM

This SC decision almost eclipses the Trump/Ukraine corruption scandal.

These are "interesting" times...

Hubert Cumberdale · 24th September 2019, 04:23 AM

I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit.

Wudang · 24th September 2019, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hubert Cumberdale

I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit.

I think BJ has demonstrated he is not too strong on the subject of "caution" in either sense.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 04:39 AM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176448261164584961

Quote:

Several opposition sources say expecting Commons to sit at 1130 tomorrow

Pixel42 · 24th September 2019, 04:47 AM

I actually danced a little jig when I heard the news.

Ryokan · 24th September 2019, 04:48 AM

A great victory for justice, democracy and parliamentarism.

This is evidence that the state of the UK is more robust than the US. The executive branch can't get away with abusing the law.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 05:00 AM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176465235164708865

Quote:

Boris Johnson just arrived at his morning meeting, looking like he was pulled through a hedge backwards while said hedge was being fed to a combine-harvester. To nobody's real surprise, he didn't answer any of the shouted questions from journalists about possible resignation.

McHrozni · 24th September 2019, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

A great victory for justice, democracy and parliamentarism.

This is evidence that the state of the UK is more robust than the US. The executive branch can't get away with abusing the law.

I wouldn't go that far, Brexit is a three year debacle that exposed a great many things, it's a stretch to say the state of UK is more robust than US based on this one instance where the British state functioned in three long years. The incident shows the executive branch of UK is less powerful than the executive branch of USA.

In truth we knew this before. The two systems form the duality of democracy: Westminster parliamentary system (as practiced in Germany and UK, among others) and Presidential system (as practiced in USA and Turkey, among others).

McHrozni

P.J. Denyer · 24th September 2019, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Boris made it his job to lie about the EU in his role as a "journalist" - and got fired for it.
Why would he stop lying now when it got him into Downing Street ?

He was fired for making up quotes in The Times, then he was hired by The Telegraph to lie about the EU, the Telegraph had no problem with it.

P.J. Denyer · 24th September 2019, 05:20 AM

Troubling times for single mothers as calls grow for Boris to spend more time with his families.

The Great Zaganza · 24th September 2019, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176465235164708865

Shameless quote theft from Douglas Adams.

Archie Gemmill Goal · 24th September 2019, 05:33 AM

So that means no Queens Speech and no new session of Parliament for the time being, right?

Archie Gemmill Goal · 24th September 2019, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Hubert Cumberdale

I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit.

Strange that 'trust me I'm a Tory' wasn't considered evidence enough really

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Shameless quote theft from Douglas Adams.

If you follow the link, rather than just reading the quote, you'll see that he acknowledges the phrase in the next tweet.

The Great Zaganza · 24th September 2019, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal

So that means no Queens Speech and no new session of Parliament for the time being, right?

He could call for new elections.
Probably will.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 05:46 AM

Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament.

The Great Zaganza · 24th September 2019, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

If you follow the link, rather than just reading the quote, you'll see that he acknowledges the phrase in the next tweet.

Just wanted to give credit where credit is due - which wasn't with Terry Pratchett in this case.

ponderingturtle · 24th September 2019, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

He could call for new elections.
Probably will.

Didn't he already and lost the vote? Would a vote of no confidence be a win or lose for him at this point, as I thought he was aiming for one a few weeks ago.

Dave Rogers · 24th September 2019, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament.

I would think the Queen would be well advised to have a lawyer in the room next time she speaks to BoJo.

Dave

Squeegee Beckenheim · 24th September 2019, 05:51 AM

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...72848183021569

Quote:

No10 sources say PM will not resign. He will also fly home overnight after UN speech this evening. Johnson will also hold a conference call with the Cabinet today.

No10 also confirm PM will refuse to take any more questions from the media today. A bad look to be running scared of a press conference.

Worm · 24th September 2019, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament.

This also goes against the Government's previous position, that the prorogation had nothing to do with Brexit, and was part of the normal business of Parliament.

Wudang · 24th September 2019, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176448261164584961

That's what Bercow announced earlier.

Quote:

The Speaker of the Commons, John Bercow, has told reporters Parliament will resume on Wednesday at 11:30 BST.

He said that "due to notification requirements", Prime Minister's Questions would not go ahead - but there would be time for urgent questions and ministerial statements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...n-on-wednesday

Darat · 24th September 2019, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

I would think the Queen would be well advised to have a lawyer in the room next time she speaks to BoJo.

Dave

Or give up her disgusting influence on the governance of the country.

Darat · 24th September 2019, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Worm

This also goes against the Government's previous position, that the prorogation had nothing to do with Brexit, and was part of the normal business of Parliament.

You know what they say about being your own worse enemy....

24th September 2019, 03:01 AM	#81
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,520	Originally Posted by McHrozni Suspension was ruled unlawful. Chopping block sales skyrocket (alledgedly). McHrozni And it was a unanimous decision.
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24th September 2019, 03:04 AM	#82
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,468	Originally Posted by Garrison And it was a unanimous decision. Which is interesting because beforehand the best legal types I follow thought was plausible was 8:3. However all also said all bets were off.
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24th September 2019, 03:15 AM	#83
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,520	I think Johnson really thought he could go full Trump, just take a wrecking ball to all precedent and process and get away with it. Parliamentary and judicial sovereignty in action BoJo!
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24th September 2019, 03:17 AM	#84
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,862	Originally Posted by Lothian All 11 Supreme Court judges find against Boris. Which git wanted to sideline the ECJ? I'm amazed it was a unanimous decision.
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24th September 2019, 03:55 AM	#85
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24th September 2019, 03:59 AM	#86
Information Analyst Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 10,099	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop On Channel 4 News Boris claimed that once out of the EU we can ban the sale of shark fin soup. Shark finning was banned in the EU years ago, but the trade in shark fins cannot be banned due to WTO rules, not because of the EU. After the kippers, he's obviously moving on to bigger fish....

24th September 2019, 03:59 AM	#87
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Usk, Wales Posts: 26,370	Originally Posted by wobs Days since Boris's last catastrophe: 0 If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth.
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24th September 2019, 04:01 AM	#88
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,520	Originally Posted by GlennB If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth. Rather depends on whose bed he's in...
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24th September 2019, 04:01 AM	#89
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24th September 2019, 04:03 AM	#90
Information Analyst Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 10,099	Originally Posted by GlennB If he stays in bed all day that might climb to 1, then drop down again when he opens his mouth. That would depend on whose bed he was in. ETA: Beaten to it by Garrison.

24th September 2019, 04:07 AM	#91
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	I'm incredibly heartened. The decision is more than I had dared hope for.
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24th September 2019, 04:11 AM	#92
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,308	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim I'm incredibly heartened. The decision is more than I had dared hope for. Seconded
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24th September 2019, 04:12 AM	#93
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 43,037	So, does every one just turn up for work tomorrow?
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24th September 2019, 04:12 AM	#94
McHrozni Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,919	Parliament already scheduled a series of PM's questions for tommorow. That sounds rather unpleasant. It will also reset the counter above. McHrozni
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24th September 2019, 04:14 AM	#95
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,307	Originally Posted by a_unique_person So, does every one just turn up for work tomorrow? Bercow says yes.
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24th September 2019, 04:18 AM	#96
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,468	Originally Posted by McHrozni Parliament already scheduled a series of PM's questions for tommorow. That sounds rather unpleasant. John Bercow has just been on BBC news. It's too late to give notice for PMQ but he is allowing room for urgent statements and questions for Ministers etc. So effectivly yes.
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24th September 2019, 04:20 AM	#97
erlando Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,871	This SC decision almost eclipses the Trump/Ukraine corruption scandal. These are "interesting" times...
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24th September 2019, 04:23 AM	#98
Hubert Cumberdale Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,140	I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit.

24th September 2019, 04:32 AM	#99
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,468	Originally Posted by Hubert Cumberdale I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit. I think BJ has demonstrated he is not too strong on the subject of "caution" in either sense.
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24th September 2019, 04:39 AM	#100
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176448261164584961 Quote: Several opposition sources say expecting Commons to sit at 1130 tomorrow
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24th September 2019, 04:47 AM	#101
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24th September 2019, 04:48 AM	#102
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,424	A great victory for justice, democracy and parliamentarism. This is evidence that the state of the UK is more robust than the US. The executive branch can't get away with abusing the law.

24th September 2019, 05:00 AM	#103
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176465235164708865 Quote: Boris Johnson just arrived at his morning meeting, looking like he was pulled through a hedge backwards while said hedge was being fed to a combine-harvester. To nobody's real surprise, he didn't answer any of the shouted questions from journalists about possible resignation.
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24th September 2019, 05:09 AM	#104
McHrozni Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,919	Originally Posted by Ryokan A great victory for justice, democracy and parliamentarism. This is evidence that the state of the UK is more robust than the US. The executive branch can't get away with abusing the law. I wouldn't go that far, Brexit is a three year debacle that exposed a great many things, it's a stretch to say the state of UK is more robust than US based on this one instance where the British state functioned in three long years. The incident shows the executive branch of UK is less powerful than the executive branch of USA. In truth we knew this before. The two systems form the duality of democracy: Westminster parliamentary system (as practiced in Germany and UK, among others) and Presidential system (as practiced in USA and Turkey, among others). McHrozni
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24th September 2019, 05:15 AM	#105
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,821	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Boris made it his job to lie about the EU in his role as a "journalist" - and got fired for it. Why would he stop lying now when it got him into Downing Street ? He was fired for making up quotes in The Times, then he was hired by The Telegraph to lie about the EU, the Telegraph had no problem with it.
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24th September 2019, 05:20 AM	#106
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,821	Troubling times for single mothers as calls grow for Boris to spend more time with his families.
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24th September 2019, 05:23 AM	#107
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,618	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176465235164708865 Shameless quote theft from Douglas Adams.

24th September 2019, 05:33 AM	#108
Archie Gemmill Goal Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 7,770	So that means no Queens Speech and no new session of Parliament for the time being, right?
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24th September 2019, 05:35 AM	#109
Archie Gemmill Goal Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 7,770	Originally Posted by Hubert Cumberdale I guess refusing to offer any evidence, including refusing to issue any sworn affidavits is not the best way to win in court. Whodathunkit. Strange that 'trust me I'm a Tory' wasn't considered evidence enough really
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24th September 2019, 05:43 AM	#110
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Shameless quote theft from Douglas Adams. If you follow the link, rather than just reading the quote, you'll see that he acknowledges the phrase in the next tweet.
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24th September 2019, 05:45 AM	#111
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,618	Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal So that means no Queens Speech and no new session of Parliament for the time being, right? He could call for new elections. Probably will.

24th September 2019, 05:46 AM	#112
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament.
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24th September 2019, 05:47 AM	#113
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,618	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim If you follow the link, rather than just reading the quote, you'll see that he acknowledges the phrase in the next tweet. Just wanted to give credit where credit is due - which wasn't with Terry Pratchett in this case.

24th September 2019, 05:50 AM	#114
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,412	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza He could call for new elections. Probably will. Didn't he already and lost the vote? Would a vote of no confidence be a win or lose for him at this point, as I thought he was aiming for one a few weeks ago.
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24th September 2019, 05:51 AM	#115
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,362	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament. I would think the Queen would be well advised to have a lawyer in the room next time she speaks to BoJo. Dave
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