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You're literally quoting a post in which I said that my opinion, which I voiced just a couple of posts ago, is that Corbyn would be better than Johnson. Yet you're claiming that my point was that they would be equally bad.
That's three times I've voiced that opinion in this thread within the last 7 hours, now. Hopefully third time's the charm. |
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The proposal;
https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf "Building on the existing practice established to maintain the Single Epidemiological Unit (SEU) on the island of Ireland, Northern Ireland would align with EU SPS rules, including those relating to the placing on the market of agri-food goods." That in effect leaves NI under EU rules. "Agri-food goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain would do so via a Border Inspection Post or Designated Point of Entry as required by EU law, building on the provisions that already exist to support the SEU. They would be subject to identity and documentary checks and physical examination by UK authorities as required by the relevant EU rules." "To support this system of controls at the boundary of the zone, traders moving goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would need to notify the relevant authorities before entering Northern Ireland..." That is just like the backstop. "In addition, Northern Ireland would also align with all relevant EU rules relating to the placing on the market of manufactured goods." So again, NI is virtually being handed over to the EU to save the rest of the UK from its pesky rules and threat to sovereignty. Then; "The regulatory checks and controls taking place on goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain would not apply when goods enter Ireland from Northern Ireland. The UK would not apply corresponding checks or controls on goods entering Northern Ireland from Ireland." NI is being more closely aligned with the Republic. Johnson's plan is to give NI away. |
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To be fair Theresa May would have given NI away if she had not depended on the DUP and was able to call their bluff
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I do not get why the DUP are happy with this latest plan. It still treats NI differently from the rest of the UK.
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They simply have less influence over Johnson than they did over May. At some point you need someone more than they need you that point may have been approached if not crossed
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Well, you could try reading it. If you get as far as the third paragraph you might find out who the Minister for the Civil Service is. But, basically, it’s what you’ve been asking for: a precedent for an order made under royal prerogative (i.e. by the crown on the recommendation of a minister) being subject to judicial review. |
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so it was a masterplan to lose so much support that even the DUP cant help him, therefore rendering them useless. And the self appointed minister of the union throws the union under the bus the first chance he gets.
And some people still think he is better than Corbyn. |
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So there is an existing law that says under what circumstances a PM can advise the Queen to prorogue Parliament?
Yet again, that is not the question. I keep asking what law or precedent says when a recommendation made by a PM is unlawful and I keep getting an answer to a completely different question. |
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/02/u...gbr/index.html Come on Boris. You know what **** you have been stirring up to get elected. It's definitely not "This is not an anti-European party and it is not an anti-European country. We love Europe". It's the exact opposite. |
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Why only me? Why is everybody else allowed to continue to attack me with gay abandon?
I'm guessing that it is because you on their side. No, you said that the answer is that an order made under royal prerogative is subject to judicial review. Even if the Royal Prerogative is exercised under ministerial advice, it is not being disputed that it is "subject to judicial review". However, it doesn't answer the question I asked. |
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Same old again. Make what you want the default unless positive action is taken to overturn it and wait. You'll get there eventually.
The uncertainty of having to prolong the status every four years is enough to make this proposal unworkable. Make it so if no positive action is taken, status quo remains and it might go through. McHrozni |
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In answering your question about common law I gave you links to a lot of reading material. There is other stuff I did not even look at.
I think the time of you pestering others to answer your questions should end. Go and do some research yourself and find the answer, yourself. Start with the various links that I gave you. |
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Have they? This is just a time-limited backstop that includes the option to be extended by NI, if they take a positive action to do so. Guess what DUP will try to do.
They proposed something very similar way back. They're prepared to compromise and have a hard border in Ireland a few years after Brexit, that's the extent of their compromise. The idea is clever in that it puts the fate of NI in the hands of Northern Irish at least. I can't argue against that. It still fails the snicker test, because it sets a hard Brexit as the legal default. EU has had enough of those, I think. McHrozni |
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Noel Edmunds should be the DUP spokesman, "deal or no deal". It looks like a deal, but it is just the postponing of any final decision until after Brexit which crucially, gives NI more say in what happens.
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It is a watering down of the backstop, NI leaves the customs union but stays in the single market. I think the DUP agreed to that because it means customs checks not at the backstop and in Ireland itself and because there are already various existing agreements in place regarding the harmonisation of the market, particularly agricultural products.
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Ladbrokes are offering these odds that are mainly new today
Another UK EU Referendum before end 2020 Brexit Specials 2.50 UK to leave EU with no Brexit Deal before Nov 1st Brexit Specials 3.00 UK to REVOKE Article 50 in 2019 Brexit Specials 3.50 UK to vote to REMAIN in EU before end 2020 Brexit Specials 4.00 I would be concerned by the no deal case, since it is shortening. However, no deal was at 1.72 several weeks ago, which I would have killed to take the bookie side. |
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Boris Johnson is swimming into a sea of enemies, while Trump is an apex predator.
This looks like another referendum where the devil you know is the new best friend. That is the logical progression. Remain is already defined, and leave has all the time in the world to define "leave". |
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Doesn't that mean it's lengthening? Other bookies' odds of no deal is lengthening too, Paddy Power has it at 7/2 which is just around 20% likely; before the Benn law (end August) it was about 45% or 1.1
I suppose the punters think that Johnson is bluffing about no brextension and/or have faith that opposition parties might be able to find a leader they can unsquabble about. |
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