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Old 27th February 2020, 10:30 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
Does he though? Really? Are we sure?
Evidently we aren't. But I am.

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And what would that price be?
Hard time in prison, for one.

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As has been stated before, he's a narcissistic moron.
Except for the moron part.

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And no, saying "he keeps winning" without actually demonstrating his intentional success
Yes, yes, all his success is just accidental. Will you keep telling yourself that after he wins in November?
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:34 AM   #162
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I don't think we really have any idea what Trump might do -- that was the takeaway I got from the UK Independent article -- and I don't think we'll know until we get there what might happen. And make no mistake. The same people who are dismissing the notion, including in this forum, will be the same people passionately defending Trump if he refuses to concede.
What do you mean by "refuses to concede"? Do you mean he might claim he really won? Yeah, that's possible. Do you mean he might contest election results in court? Definitely on the table, especially if a contest is close and there are any irregularities.

Do you mean he might try to actually prevent the transfer of power at the end of his term? No, I don't think that's going to happen.
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:35 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:



Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:



I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.
When you think about it, if he followed his own reasoning what he was saying is that the markets don't expect Trump to win the election....
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:41 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
What do you mean by "refuses to concede"? Do you mean he might claim he really won? Yeah, that's possible. Do you mean he might contest election results in court? Definitely on the table, especially if a contest is close and there are any irregularities.

Do you mean he might try to actually prevent the transfer of power at the end of his term? No, I don't think that's going to happen.
but when would, according to your described scenario, his term end?
next January or when all court cases are settled?
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:46 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
but when would, according to your described scenario, his term end?
next January or when all court cases are settled?
Next January if he loses this election. January 2025 if he wins.

Any court cases which might affect the outcome will be settled prior to inauguration, as was Gore v. Bush.
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:47 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:



Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:



I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.
There'd already been one round of debates. I don't see Trump blaming the stock market on that particular debate. I see him drawing a correlation between the way the Democratic primaries are playing out (including the debates, plural), and the way investor confidence is playing out.
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:48 AM   #167
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...This is the scenario Washington Monthly thinks is the most dangerous (and likeliest if it happens):
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Donald Trump, who spent the past five months warning about fraud, has been eerily silent for most of the night. But as soon as the Democrat takes the stage to give her victory speech, he unleashes a barrage of tweets claiming that over 100,000 illegal immigrants voted in Michigan and that Philadelphia kept its polls open for hours later than allowed. “Without PHONY voters, I really won!” he tweets. “This is FRAUD!” Needless to say, the president does not call to congratulate his opponent. At an afternoon press conference, Trump’s press secretary announces he will not concede.
What would the next move be? Court action? A move in the Republican-controlled Senate to freeze the election process? With Mitch McConnell blathering, "Until we know with certainty what happened, I believe we owe it to the American people to halt this process."

Sounds fairly possible to me. Of course, there will be a lot of opposition and pushback but who knows.
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Old 27th February 2020, 10:58 AM   #168
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The first time I ever heard about Presidential Derangement Syndrome it was Clinton Derangement Syndrome. However, for the varieties labelled Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Hillary (an honorary title), it was just a mildly sarcastic was of saying, "Oh, get over it. Not everything bad is caused by (insert politician's name here)".

But with Trump Derangement Syndrome, I think it really has reached the level of mental illness for some people.

Is the OP author one of those? Well, that depends. Was the OP meant to be taken seriously? Then yes. The idea that Donald Trump is going to declare himself dictator is simply nuts.

Well we can at least blame him for leaving the U.S. unprepared to deal with the virus!
https://youtu.be/fGNFhfd3Xbo

Here's what Trump is really concerned about;
https://youtu.be/hJujThoYxco
ETA; The other link

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Old 27th February 2020, 11:20 AM   #169
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What do I mean?


What would the next move be? Court action? A move in the Republican-controlled Senate to freeze the election process? With Mitch McConnell blathering, "Until we know with certainty what happened, I believe we owe it to the American people to halt this process."

Sounds fairly possible to me. Of course, there will be a lot of opposition and pushback but who knows.
The same action a few farmers at Lexinton and Concord took in 1775 might be necessary.
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:22 AM   #170
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Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:
Assuming the markets like Trump better than the democratic contenders than the market would have gone up after the last couple debates (if it weren't for the virus) because 4 more years of President Trump looked more likely after them.
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:22 AM   #171
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Next January if he loses this election. January 2025 if he wins.

Any court cases which might affect the outcome will be settled prior to inauguration, as was Gore v. Bush.
so after the court case is settled.

Gore v Bush came down to pretty much one district in one State.
What if 2020 or 2024 comes down with dozens of such cases?
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:23 AM   #172
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The same action a few farmers at Lexinton and Concord took in 1775 might be necessary.
Seriously how will attacking the US military help?
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:24 AM   #173
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My impression is that concession is just a tradition. I don't think there's any law that says the loser must concede. I don't even think he has to sign off on anything on Inauguration Day.

However (as mentioned before), could he sign himself in as Emergency Power due to the virus crisis? But we'll know by that time if the main crisis is over, or it will already have had massive impact. Think of what's happened just in the last week. Several months passing makes it totally unpredictable.
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:24 AM   #174
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From Trump's Covid 19 address:
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"I had a man come up to me a week ago. I hadn't seen him in a long time, and I said, 'How are you doing?’ He said, 'Fine. Fine,'" Trump said, recounting the story. "He hugs me. I say, 'Are you well?' He says, 'No.' He says, 'I have the worst fever and the worst flu,' and he’s hugging me, kissing me. So I say excuse me and go wash my hands. You want to treat this as you would the flu."
Does anyone believe this really happened? I don't. This is just one of Trump's lies that he spontaneously spouts when he thinks it will support his position at the moment.
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:28 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Evidently we aren't. But I am.
You aren't really providing a lot of reason to be confident in your position

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Hard time in prison, for one.
Based on what? What law? Who is going to enforce it?

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Except for the moron part.
Have you heard him speak?

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Yes, yes, all his success is just accidental. Will you keep telling yourself that after he wins in November?
You seem to have a weird definition of "success". He accidentally won a job he never wanted, absolutely hates, and can't do. He was born into a 9 figure fortune and went bankrupt, repeatedly. Just because he convinces other idiots he's some genius businessman, doesn't make it so.

Any "success" he has isn't due to being smart, its due to being lucky and shameless. Its like a toddler with coddling parents. Just because they give him candy so he'll stop crying doesn't mean he is "winning".
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:29 AM   #176
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You aren't really providing a lot of reason to be confident in your position



Based on what? What law? Who is going to enforce it?



Have you heard him speak?



You seem to have a weird definition of "success". He accidentally won a job he never wanted, absolutely hates, and can't do. He was born into a 9 figure fortune and went bankrupt, repeatedly. Just because he convinces other idiots he's some genius businessman, doesn't make it so.

Any "success" he has isn't due to being smart, its due to being lucky and shameless. Its like a toddler with coddling parents. Just because they give him candy so he'll stop crying doesn't mean he is "winning".
Unless you define victory as just having the candy. Because no matter how he got it, he's got it.
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How is it "special pleading" to attempt to predict a person's behavior based on their past behavior?



Cool. But could we just stick to the arguments actually being made here?
They aren't really arguments though are they.

It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this"

It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part.

I have visions of people on here sitting on their couch wishing it will happen, just to justify their silly paranoia
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:38 AM   #178
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They aren't really arguments though are they.

It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this"

It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part.

I have visions of people on here sitting on their couch wishing it will happen, just to justify their silly paranoia
How is it "silly paranoia" to be concerned that a president who operates as if he's above the law and expresses contempt for the institutions designed to keep his power in check will continue with this behavior?
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:41 AM   #179
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Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:

Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:

I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.

It reminds me of the people I saw claim that the economic crisis in 2008 was caused by panic in anticipation of Barack Obama possibly becoming President.
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How is it "silly paranoia" to be concerned that a president who operates as if he's above the law and expresses contempt for the institutions designed to keep his power in check will continue with this behavior?
So, if someone else wins, who does Roberts swear in?
Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law?
To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report?

How many of the institutions, the various bureaucratic systems will just accept a proclamation rather than follow the laws?

Yes, it's both silly and paranoia.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:02 PM   #181
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I'm convinced that most of the people dismissing the possibility that Trump could refuse to accept the 2020 election results if he loses will immediately segue to defending him if and when he does!

Sad!
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I'm convinced that most of the people dismissing the possibility that Trump could refuse to accept the 2020 election results if he loses will immediately segue to defending him if and when he does!

Sad!
Even if Trump refuses to accept the results, how does that impact, say, who Roberts swears in? Or to whom the house and senate sends their bills for signature?

Trump could set up a desk on the driveway at 1600. It's an irrational concern that he might see himself as president when the government does not. The machinery will move forward with or without his objections.

His objections to the results will not matter one iota.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:14 PM   #184
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So, if someone else wins, who does Roberts swear in?
Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law?
To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report?

How many of the institutions, the various bureaucratic systems will just accept a proclamation rather than follow the laws?

Yes, it's both silly and paranoia.
For, I don't know, like the 14th time: The claim isn't that he will necessarily be successful.

So can we please torch this straw man, bury its ashes, and move on?
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For, I don't know, like the 14th time: The claim isn't that he will necessarily be successful.

So can we please torch this straw man, bury its ashes, and move on?
If he is not successful, why the concern? What if he does something that doesn't matter? Not sure why we should care. What if, after the election he goes and gets a hair cut and a beer? Gnashing of teeth; rending of garments?
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so after the court case is settled.

Gore v Bush came down to pretty much one district in one State.
What if 2020 or 2024 comes down with dozens of such cases?
I would hate to see the contemporary version of the Brooks Brothers Riot.
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Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law?
To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report?
To whoever they decide too. Why are you so convinced they will not go along with him?
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:27 PM   #188
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If he is not successful, why the concern?
He panders to violent, smooth brained, racist cretins with a lot of guns who like to mail pipe bombs. And the Republicans have been stacking government offices for decades with loyalists that are there to enforce the party agenda.

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What if he does something that doesn't matter? Not sure why we should care. What if, after the election he goes and gets a hair cut and a beer? Gnashing of teeth; rending of garments?
We'll be too distracted by the flying pigs to notice.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
For, I don't know, like the 14th time: The claim isn't that he will necessarily be successful.

So can we please torch this straw man, bury its ashes, and move on?
Jesus ******* Christ, right? I mean, how many times does it need to be laid out in clear words that we aren't concerned he'll succeed, the debate is if he'll try?

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There'd already been one round of debates. I don't see Trump blaming the stock market on that particular debate. I see him drawing a correlation between the way the Democratic primaries are playing out (including the debates, plural), and the way investor confidence is playing out.
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He specifically says "the debating last night". I'm sure you have something locked and loaded as an excuse as to how he's still referring to some other debate. "It doesn't really refute my point. They're the same people that had debated before, etc." Even though it didn't drop after the first two debates, really ******* odd, that. Yet, it decided to drop the two days before the debate, and then not as much on Wednesday? This is rational to you? Did you even bother looking?

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It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this"

It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part.
Yeah, you say this **** all of the time, or something like it. I think it's actually our fantasy. The bulk of your posts is you talking about how everyone over reacts, everyone blows it out of proportion, Trump will win because of the Dems over reacting all of the time. It actually sounds like you, like maybe YOU, seem to be obsessed with what Dems are doing.

This whole thread, including your comment, and not one person has actually given a factual reason why Trump wouldn't try what we've claimed. Only claims that it won't succeed (something no one has really said). Thanks for your irrelevant, thinly veiled insult though. Lame as it might be.
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If he is not successful, why the concern? What if he does something that doesn't matter? Not sure why we should care. What if, after the election he goes and gets a hair cut and a beer? Gnashing of teeth; rending of garments?
By your rationale, why the **** are you participating in this conversation then? Why do you care? Just to tell everyone else they shouldn't care? Is a discussion forum not the correct place to discuss things that may, or may not take place?
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So, if someone else wins, who does Roberts swear in?
Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law?
To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report?

How many of the institutions, the various bureaucratic systems will just accept a proclamation rather than follow the laws?

Yes, it's both silly and paranoia.

Actually, every bit of that is absolutely irrelevant to my concerns: That Trump refuses to concede and rallies his base to anger at the unjustness of him losing the election. Even if the new President is sworn in and Trump sulks away, I'm still concerned with pockets of terrorist attacks perpetrated by Trumptrash here and there.
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To whoever they decide too. Why are you so convinced they will not go along with him?
For the lawmakers, they would know that anything signed by the person not duly elected wouldn't be valid.

Everyone else would likely follow the rule of law.

Most of the people who operate the machinery would follow the rule of law. Because it's what we do. Most of us have worked through various administrations and would do what is right. Eventually, the choice of the people would bear out and those that supported the coup would likely lose various benefits when removed from our jobs.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:35 PM   #193
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If he is not successful, why the concern? What if he does something that doesn't matter? Not sure why we should care.
I just explained to you why the concern. Yes, my explanation occurred after this post but it is an explanation that any reasonably intelligent person would've come up with all on their own.

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Old 27th February 2020, 12:36 PM   #194
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For the lawmakers, they would know that anything signed by the person not duly elected wouldn't be valid.

Everyone else would likely follow the rule of law.

Most of the people who operate the machinery would follow the rule of law. Because it's what we do. Most of us have worked through various administrations and would do what is right. Eventually, the choice of the people would bear out and those that supported the coup would likely lose various benefits when removed from our jobs.


Yeah, whenever you decide to say something relevant, just wake me up then.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:37 PM   #195
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By your rationale, why the **** are you participating in this conversation then? Why do you care? Just to tell everyone else they shouldn't care? Is a discussion forum not the correct place to discuss things that may, or may not take place?
I'm asking why they care about something they say won't have an impact. How is that not part of a discussion?
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:39 PM   #196
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This whole thread, including your comment, and not one person has actually given a factual reason why Trump wouldn't try what we've claimed. Only claims that it won't succeed (something no one has really said). Thanks for your irrelevant, thinly veiled insult though. Lame as it might be.
I've given factual reasons. But you don't want to hear them. You want your paranoid delusions. And you think those delusions are "factual".

Trump has broken so, so many minds.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:39 PM   #197
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Actually, every bit of that is absolutely irrelevant to my concerns: That Trump refuses to concede and rallies his base to anger at the unjustness of him losing the election. Even if the new President is sworn in and Trump sulks away, I'm still concerned with pockets of terrorist attacks perpetrated by Trumptrash here and there.
And here I thought people were saying it wasn't paranoia.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:40 PM   #198
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Yeah, whenever you decide to say something relevant, just wake me up then.
My apologies for not bending facts to your delusions. Feel free to go back to sleep. Sorry for trying to insert reality into your dreams.
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Old 27th February 2020, 12:41 PM   #199
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Actually, every bit of that is absolutely irrelevant to my concerns: That Trump refuses to concede and rallies his base to anger at the unjustness of him losing the election. Even if the new President is sworn in and Trump sulks away, I'm still concerned with pockets of terrorist attacks perpetrated by Trumptrash here and there.
Are you concerned with what Bernie Bros might do?
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Are you concerned with what Bernie Bros might do?
Of course not. They aren't the bad guys.
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