ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Coronavirus , prediction thread , predictions

Reply
Old 21st March 2020, 03:24 AM   #1
Cheetah
Master Poster
 
Cheetah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,369
The World After Coronavirus

How the World Will Look After the Coronavirus Pandemic
We asked 12 leading global thinkers for their predictions

To help us make sense of the ground shifting beneath our feet as this crisis unfolds, Foreign Policy asked 12 leading thinkers from around the world to weigh in with their predictions for the global order after the pandemic.




It's pretty early to say, but I think it's going to pull us together as a whole. Also China is going to end up number one.


Mod InfoThread moved from non-USA Politics as it has global relevance.
Posted By:zooterkin
__________________
"... when you dig my grave, could you make it shallow so that I can feel the rain" - DMB

Last edited by zooterkin; 30th March 2020 at 10:25 AM.
Cheetah is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st March 2020, 06:21 PM   #2
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Tagger
 
rjh01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Flying around in the sky
Posts: 25,512
Some more predictions
1. More working from home.
2. People make an effort to know their neighbours.
3. People demanding more security. But not the sort that locks and guards provide.
4. Some people who said the virus is nothing have their careers ended.

Thanks for starting this. Wanted a thread like this.
__________________
This signature is for rent.
rjh01 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 01:05 AM   #3
The Atheist
The Grammar Tyrant
 
The Atheist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 24,676
Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
It's pretty early to say, but I think it's going to pull us together as a whole. Also China is going to end up number one.
I'll have a vote for "nothing changed".

The first thing that will happen when it ends is there will be a massive boom, millions of jobs to be filled, and immediate strong growth and everyone will go back to where they were quite quickly.

The desire to put it behind them will likely overcome any positive effects among the 95% of people who will have lived through the lockdowns and are pissed off at their financial losses.
__________________
The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.
The Atheist is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 01:41 AM   #4
Lukraak_Sisser
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,600
There might be a backlash against the various populist movements.

All of them came to power on the "we'll do everything you like and nothing you don't like!" with a nice bit of xenophobia added.

But this crisis shows that while they are able to sponge off the successes of various more responsible governments, but they are abysmal at crisis management, and the virus is not spread by scary foreigners, but rather rich tourists ignoring safety precautions.
Lukraak_Sisser is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 03:12 AM   #5
timhau
NWO Litter Technician
 
timhau's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I?
Posts: 13,435
Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
There might be a backlash against the various populist movements.

All of them came to power on the "we'll do everything you like and nothing you don't like!" with a nice bit of xenophobia added.

But this crisis shows that while they are able to sponge off the successes of various more responsible governments, but they are abysmal at crisis management, and the virus is not spread by scary foreigners, but rather rich tourists ignoring safety precautions.
The support was and is fear-based, not fact-based. That's why I doubt the crisis will have much of an effect on it. Chalk me up for "no change".
__________________
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn't work that way. I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
- Emo Philips
timhau is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 03:36 AM   #6
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 11,452
Trends towards dematerialization and local production will accelerate.
Health monitoring apps and devices will become commonplace.
The TSA will install heat cameras to identify travellers with a fever.
__________________
ETTD
Everything Trump Touches Dies
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 05:11 AM   #7
wobs
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Hull
Posts: 2,147
Will be good for Tories (UK), and Republicans (US). Similar to how 9/11 was good for Dubya.

We'll be great initially at addressing the issues it raises, but after a few years, we will likely return to old habits. A bit like how we a great at preventing the disaster that just happened.
__________________
"To vowels. They stop consonants sticking together like boiled sweets in a paper bag."
wobs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 06:21 AM   #8
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 90,447
Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I'll have a vote for "nothing changed".

The first thing that will happen when it ends is there will be a massive boom, millions of jobs to be filled, and immediate strong growth and everyone will go back to where they were quite quickly.

The desire to put it behind them will likely overcome any positive effects among the 95% of people who will have lived through the lockdowns and are pissed off at their financial losses.
I vote for that - apart from I think we will see more working from home as I think the more sceptical and suspicious employers will realise they can save a lot of money by forcing employees to use their own resources rather than having to pay out for office costs.
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 06:44 AM   #9
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwet
Posts: 25,973
In the fairly near term, half the independent restaurants in the country will go out of business.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 07:17 AM   #10
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,054
I don't think anything will change.
It will all be forgotten in a few months when the next 'crisis' comes along.
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 08:04 AM   #11
Cheetah
Master Poster
 
Cheetah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,369
No one thinks there will be a relative shift in power from the west to the east?
I think the US and Europe are probably going to take a bigger knock than Asia and take longer to recover.
__________________
"... when you dig my grave, could you make it shallow so that I can feel the rain" - DMB
Cheetah is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 08:19 AM   #12
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 27,695
I think we'll have to have a major re-design of almost every public washroom. For years we've had a trend towards increasingly skimpy automated sinks, soap dispensers and hot-air hand dryers, in the name of saving money. I knew they were inadequate for proper handwashing even before all this came about, and now, with the prevalence of all the warnings about needing to wash your hands properly, more people will become aware of this issue.

I suspect there will be a public demand to rip out all the crap sinks that are out there, and put in something that actually lets you wash your hands properly. It could even be a part of a public works program to help kick-start the economy. Pay businesses to hire plumbers to do all this work.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:00 AM   #13
Venom
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 4,072
The world after COVID-19.

There will probably always be new coronaviruses popping up from the local mammalian wildlife.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:07 AM   #14
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 90,447
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
In the fairly near term, half the independent restaurants in the country will go out of business.

No they wonít, the government support from one off grants to 25,000, tax bills deferred for many months or entirely waived , interest free state backed loans with long repayment deferents, to supporting 80% of salaries and so on means there is no reason at all for any restaurant, pub or cafe to go out of business.
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:16 AM   #15
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,054
They haven't said how to apply yet though

eta

I spoke too soon there is info on the gov.uk website

Local authorities will get in touch with businesses.

Last edited by Captain_Swoop; 22nd March 2020 at 09:21 AM.
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:36 AM   #16
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwet
Posts: 25,973
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
No they wonít, the government support from one off grants to 25,000, tax bills deferred for many months or entirely waived , interest free state backed loans with long repayment deferents, to supporting 80% of salaries and so on means there is no reason at all for any restaurant, pub or cafe to go out of business.
I was talking about a different country! We'll see.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:38 AM   #17
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 23,785
Another vote for "nothing"

The narrative will be "we have to go back to normal as part of the healing process" kind of thing.

Some minor things are inevitable (some businesses will not come back from this) and "pandemic" will just incorporated into our national "Be prepared" mindset the same way Y2K was.

But any big, organized change? Nope.
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 09:46 AM   #18
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
 
William Parcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 24,640
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
No they wonít, the government support from one off grants to 25,000
Not sure what this number represents. Is that grants for up to 25,000 businesses? Or is that business grants for up to £25,000 each?

Quote:
supporting 80% of salaries and so on means there is no reason at all for any restaurant, pub or cafe to go out of business.
I assume that you are talking about paying 80% of the salaries of a restaurant's staff. But will the government pay 80% of the "salary" of the restaurant owner?
__________________
Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.
William Parcher is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 10:32 AM   #19
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 90,447
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Not sure what this number represents. Is that grants for up to 25,000 businesses? Or is that business grants for up to £25,000 each?





I assume that you are talking about paying 80% of the salaries of a restaurant's staff. But will the government pay 80% of the "salary" of the restaurant owner?
Upto £25000 per business. Would depend on how the business is structured. If the owner is on PAYE then yes.
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 10:50 AM   #20
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
 
alfaniner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 21,821
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I think we'll have to have a major re-design of almost every public washroom. For years we've had a trend towards increasingly skimpy automated sinks, soap dispensers and hot-air hand dryers, in the name of saving money. I knew they were inadequate for proper handwashing even before all this came about, and now, with the prevalence of all the warnings about needing to wash your hands properly, more people will become aware of this issue.

I suspect there will be a public demand to rip out all the crap sinks that are out there, and put in something that actually lets you wash your hands properly. It could even be a part of a public works program to help kick-start the economy. Pay businesses to hire plumbers to do all this work.
There should be portable hand-washing stations ion every downtown or well-strode street. I've seen them set up at county fairs and the like -- probably by the same company that provides the nearby porta-potties.
__________________
Science is self-correcting.
Woo is self-contradicting.
alfaniner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 11:09 AM   #21
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 27,695
Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
There should be portable hand-washing stations ion every downtown or well-strode street. I've seen them set up at county fairs and the like -- probably by the same company that provides the nearby porta-potties.


I've seen those, and the ones I've seen are pretty crap as well.

They look like they're more likely to spread disease than contain it.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd March 2020, 11:48 AM   #22
AnonyMoose
Muse
 
AnonyMoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen
Posts: 710
Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
No one thinks there will be a relative shift in power from the west to the east?
I think the US and Europe are probably going to take a bigger knock than Asia and take longer to recover.

I'm with you on this one.

Western countries like to think of themselves as indestructible with the ability to easily bounce back (hubris), but this slap to the global economy is going to reveal just how vulnerable and unstable our systems really are and really have been for decades. We've been kicking the can down the road (since at least the 80's) of what's inevitable.... a huge economic reset (crash, burn, recover). The chickens are coming home to roost while our countries continue to pretend they don't hear the clucking in the distance. We're all going to feel the economic pain of this for quite some time, but I think the US is going to take the biggest hit and won't be coming out at the other end of this thing in the same position on the world stage as they were going in.

This drastic kick to the pants of the US is what, I believe, will cause a big shift in economic strengths, from west to east. It's been teetering on that for quite a while now, all it needed was one more little nudge. I think that nudge is here.


My prediction:

High-risk digital gambling as a means of keeping the economy afloat is coming to an end. Tangible supply and demand is going to make a comeback (a new modern day high-tech 'industrial age', per se) within about 3-5 years.

Goodbye hedging, hello hoverboards.
__________________
"Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." ~ Emo Phillips
AnonyMoose is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 01:39 AM   #23
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Tagger
 
rjh01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Flying around in the sky
Posts: 25,512
I think China will be the big winner here. Many other countries will have huge debts. ON the other hand there will be a huge amount of work that is needed to done, so that will generate employment.
__________________
This signature is for rent.
rjh01 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 02:09 AM   #24
The Atheist
The Grammar Tyrant
 
The Atheist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 24,676
Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
I think China will be the big winner here. Many other countries will have huge debts. ON the other hand there will be a huge amount of work that is needed to done, so that will generate employment.
They already are.

I saw a graph today that shows their Beijing workforce is about 95% returned to work.

They're confidently predicting a return to growth in Q2, and they certainly haven't had the -24% downturn Goldmans are picking for USA.
__________________
The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.
The Atheist is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 02:38 AM   #25
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 11,452
I'm not so bullish on China: the way they dealt with the crisis makes it susceptible to future waves of infection - we will see more outbreaks in the future, causing more pauses in the economy.
and China is already projecting all the power it reasonably can without increasing its military budget by a couple of orders of magnitude.
China will transform from a net exporter to a more balanced budget, which will slow growth.
The world will move to Africa for the next generation of sweatshops.
__________________
ETTD
Everything Trump Touches Dies
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 02:46 AM   #26
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
I wonder if the push towards automation will accelerate as companies come to realise that the weakest link in their chains is the workers who are vulnerable, can be unreliable, and require payment.

I also wonder if we might see the introduction of a universal income of some kind. It's possible that this will be introduced in some countries simply to keep the economy afloat over the months that this crisis is still a crisis. The US is inching towards that, ever so slightly. The UK is paying businesses rather than workers, but the idea isn't that far away. And once the idea has been introduced and shown to be viable, then it may not go away quite as easily - especially when coupled with a reduction of the labour force. I think a universal income has been a question of "when" rather than "if" for a while now, and I wonder if this crisis will accelerate us towards that.

I think there's a possibility that the NHS will come out the other side of this stronger than it has been in years. I think that the defunding, lay-offs, and the stealth privatisation has been a bad idea over the years, and I think that perhaps the Tories have started to realise this over the last week or two. There's a quote from Matt Hancock from a few days ago where he said that the crisis has made it clear to him that after this is all over he's going to have to look at making changes to the NHS. Usually coming from a Tory that would be terrifying, but I think that he might actually genuinely mean that he wants to strengthen it, rather than sell it off for profit.

The UK will be harder hit than Italy. We've got roughly the same size population and population density, and we've got roughly the same percentage of over 65s in our population. Our death curve (how many deaths measured against time since the first death) is identical so far. However we're doing less than Italy did (to have our first lock down occur at the same time as Italy's first it'd have to happen tomorrow), the public are not taking it seriously in the same way that Italy's didn't, and Italy ranks near the bottom in terms of obesity in European countries and the UK ranks near the top.

And I'm not basing this on much at all, but it's clear that global power structures are going to be in flux for a while, which makes me wonder how Putin is going to try to turn it all to his advantage. He's already sent aid to Italy. I doubt that that's pure humanitarianism on his behalf. I expect that Russia will end up more powerful than it is now. This may well lead to more naked aggression and military invasions, although I expect more subtle political manoeuvres, too.

Oh, and I expect that when the dust settles China will be the world's #1 superpower.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 02:57 AM   #27
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
High-risk digital gambling as a means of keeping the economy afloat is coming to an end. Tangible supply and demand is going to make a comeback (a new modern day high-tech 'industrial age', per se) within about 3-5 years.
Yeah, I think the UK at least will rediscover the benefits of a manufacturing base. Couple the current economic crisis with Brexit, the general instability of international supply chains, and China's likely new economic power, and the government may just realise that making and selling stuff is more stable.

I also wonder whether this will ultimately work out well for the Tories. There's 5 years until another election, in which time the crisis will likely have been over for a while (which isn't to say that coronavirus itself will necessarily be gone, but we likely won't see what we're seeing now and the worse that is to come). It could be long enough since the outbreak for people to forget the mismanagement (especially given that the public itself is not yet taking this seriously), and any good to come out of it* is something they can brag about and which people can attribute to them.

*a rise in employment from the low, perhaps fuelled by a return of manufacturing jobs; a stronger NHS; perhaps a universal income
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 03:02 AM   #28
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I'm not so bullish on China: the way they dealt with the crisis makes it susceptible to future waves of infection - we will see more outbreaks in the future, causing more pauses in the economy.
But I imagine that they will be prepared for those, and will crack down extremely quickly. I don't think the economic hit will be anywhere near as large in the future as it was this time around.

And I think that everywhere will see future waves of infection. Experts seem to broadly agree that the virus is likely to be with us for a long time, or even forever, like flu.

The question isn't who gets them, but who is best prepared. I see no reason to suppose that any countries will be better prepared than East Asian ones. And China's more dictatorial regime makes it easier for them to implement harsher measures more quickly with less protest from the populous, which makes it easier to halt the spread.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 03:11 AM   #29
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 11,452
I DO think that the crisis will be the final nail in the coffin of the Dollar being the global standard currency.
__________________
ETTD
Everything Trump Touches Dies
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 05:06 AM   #30
Sherkeu
Graduate Poster
 
Sherkeu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Disneyland
Posts: 1,230
Health screening and quarantine areas will be adopted in the West with thermal scans and AI checks. Nothing new for Asia.

Many shopping malls will throw in the towel and close.
Sherkeu is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 05:20 AM   #31
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 90,447
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I DO think that the crisis will be the final nail in the coffin of the Dollar being the global standard currency.
No sign of that yet, people are still turning to the dollar away from other currencies.
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 08:57 AM   #32
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 26,974
Some people are very optimistic.

Even ďno changeĒ seems optimistic to me.

Iím disappointed about how this could put back internationalization rather than fostering it. People in the west who may have been inclined to see a role for overseas aid, and eradicating extreme poverty are likely to feel their own economic security is far more precarious than they thought before.

But honestly, Iíve no idea.
__________________
"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before."

"Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893)
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 09:48 AM   #33
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
I thought of something earlier today that was a real "yes, that'll definitely happen!" lightbulb, but it's gone completely out of my head by now.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 09:53 AM   #34
calebprime
moleman
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 12,799
That's not like you, SB. Perhaps you're a little distracted by events.
calebprime is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 09:58 AM   #35
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 27,695
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Iím disappointed about how this could put back internationalization rather than fostering it.


Yes, this is quite likely. There's a reason people like Baylor are suddenly crowing much louder than usual. They see this as an opportunity to recruit a big batch of useful idiots.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd March 2020, 02:49 PM   #36
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,491
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The UK will be harder hit than Italy. We've got roughly the same size population and population density, and we've got roughly the same percentage of over 65s in our population. Our death curve (how many deaths measured against time since the first death) is identical so far. However we're doing less than Italy did (to have our first lock down occur at the same time as Italy's first it'd have to happen tomorrow), the public are not taking it seriously in the same way that Italy's didn't, and Italy ranks near the bottom in terms of obesity in European countries and the UK ranks near the top.
Looks like the lockdown is happening. We have a lower rate of smoking that Italy, and smoking seems to be a major risk factor, but we also have lower ITU beds per capita, which is really bad. But yeah, out working today (and avoiding everyone) I was amazed by how many old people were out and about in the village.

Addressing a point in your post that I clipped for space, I'm concerned that while the government is doing a lot for businesses big and small, those of us who are self employed or on zero hours seem to be pretty much hanging in the wind.
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th March 2020, 07:14 AM   #37
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 23,785
I wonder if "The Prepper" mentality will be a little more mainstream.

I'm not talking (hopefully) about a rise in full on "Bunker out in the woods stocked with ammo and SPAM for when da Jews and Greys launch the New World Order" kind of nonsense, but if things like food and supply stashes become less fringe and more mainstream.

Like a year from now is an absolutely median of the bell curve, average boring suburban family with the metaphorical white picket fence and 2.3 adorable children talking openly about their "30 day emergency food stash" going to be seen as weird anymore?
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th March 2020, 07:19 AM   #38
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 26,974
If I survive this, I'm going to live my life to the fullest from then on.

Like this..

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE
__________________
"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before."

"Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893)
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th March 2020, 08:08 AM   #39
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1242438524567199745

Quote:
Tory MP Edward Leigh suggests a universal basic income to help the self-employed. "Just get on with it" #RedEd

We're living in very strange times. ☺️

#selfemployed #COVIDー19 @EdwardLeighMP
Doesn't seem to get much traction just yet, but it's definitely an idea that's being floated. I definitely think it's something that's going to materialise at some point, and I suspect that this crisis has shortened that time scale, however long that ends up being.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th March 2020, 08:12 AM   #40
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 27,340
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I wonder if "The Prepper" mentality will be a little more mainstream.

I'm not talking (hopefully) about a rise in full on "Bunker out in the woods stocked with ammo and SPAM for when da Jews and Greys launch the New World Order" kind of nonsense, but if things like food and supply stashes become less fringe and more mainstream.

Like a year from now is an absolutely median of the bell curve, average boring suburban family with the metaphorical white picket fence and 2.3 adorable children talking openly about their "30 day emergency food stash" going to be seen as weird anymore?
It's definitely moving a little towards that now, and it's not really a new idea, but one that's coming back around. It used to be very common to do a big weekly shop, and to have a big supply of things just sitting around in your cupboards (or larders, if you're posh). These days it's more common to just go out and buy what you need when you need it, but the current advice is to go shopping once a week and buy what you need for the entire week.

It's not quite what you're talking about, but it's not a million miles away, either.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:37 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.