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Old 25th March 2020, 06:00 AM   #1
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2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 3

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Old 25th March 2020, 06:06 AM   #2
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The governor of Tokyo is now requesting that people in the city don't go out at the weekend except for essential visits.

The problem is that cherry-blossom season is beginning and a lot of crowds are expected.

We've all seen this movie before and I am pretty sure the request will fall on deaf ears.

The news is at least informing people that numbers are likely to explode.
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Old 25th March 2020, 06:11 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The governor of Tokyo is now requesting that people in the city don't go out at the weekend except for essential visits.

The problem is that cherry-blossom season is beginning and a lot of crowds are expected.

We've all seen this movie before and I am pretty sure the request will fall on deaf ears.

The news is at least informing people that numbers are likely to explode.
I don't know, the Japanese are a very orderly and civic-minded people. Such a request might work for them.
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Old 25th March 2020, 06:12 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The governor of Tokyo is now requesting that people in the city don't go out at the weekend except for essential visits.

The problem is that cherry-blossom season is beginning and a lot of crowds are expected.

We've all seen this movie before and I am pretty sure the request will fall on deaf ears.

The news is at least informing people that numbers are likely to explode.
So don't request; enforce.
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Old 25th March 2020, 06:23 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I don't know, the Japanese are a very orderly and civic-minded people. Such a request might work for them.
It could do. I certainly think that the slower climb is in part due to certain cultural practices that range from hygiene to ways of greeting and even to mask wearing.

Oh, and the fact that they shut all the schools.

That said, the schools are due to reopen for the new academic year beginning in early April.

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So don't request; enforce.
The governor of Tokyo has no power to enforce.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The governor of Tokyo has no power to enforce.
No but he ask the government to help.

My comment was general.
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Old 25th March 2020, 06:42 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
No but he ask the government to help.

My comment was general.
She - Yuriko Koike.

Certainly, the Japanese government will have to make a decision at some point soon about increasing restrictions on movement, but this is a government that until yesterday still thought the Olympics was going to be on this year.

Now that that distraction has passed they may be able to focus more.
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Old 25th March 2020, 06:57 AM   #8
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It would help to give people a reasonable alternative. Are there government-run television channels in Japan?

If so, devote one to cherry blossoms. Twelve hours a day. Six two-person roving camera crews, some directors in a studio/van, and the necessary technicians. No chatter. No celebrities. No commercials. Music optional.

Not as good as being there, but better than any standard TV or Internet alternative version.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
She - Yuriko Koike.
****! I didn't check and assumed that, it being in Japan, it'd be a man. Mea culpa.
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Old 25th March 2020, 07:16 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
****! I didn't check and assumed that, it being in Japan, it'd be a man. Mea culpa.
It's usually a pretty safe assumption to make.

By the way, also on the Japan front, one of Japan's most famous comedians (your wife is sure to know who he is), Ken Shimura, has tested positive for COVID-19 and now has pneumonia. At 70, he's pretty high risk.

This is a sample of his comedy which may be somewhat intelligible to non-Japanese-speakers:

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Jackson Browne has apparently tested positive for coronavirus.

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Old 25th March 2020, 07:34 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The governor of Tokyo is now requesting that people in the city don't go out at the weekend except for essential visits.
Weekends?

Reading this I thought "Japan is ok if they have weekends!"

For us it only matters when school goes back online after our 'spring break'. Otherwise, weekends don't mean anything anymore.
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
Weekends?

Reading this I thought "Japan is ok if they have weekends!"

For us it only matters when school goes back online after our 'spring break'. Otherwise, weekends don't mean anything anymore.
Ha! I know what you mean.

Yes, things are basically going on more or less as before, but there are requests to avoid various kinds of activities.

Municipal gyms and museums and other stuff that local and central governments can control are more or less shut down. That includes schools, or at least it did, but they are due to open again.

The thing is people are getting complacent given that here in Japan we haven't shot off the end of ramp yet like so many other countries.

I remember a few weeks ago my sisters in England and in France assuming we had been locked down, when all that was going on was school closures. Then the countries they lived in seemed to blow right past us. I was pretty surprised that they had still been going to crowded pubs, international rugby matches, restaurants, church etc... and treating it as no big thing to.... complete lockdown. Things happened very quickly (but not quickly enough!).

But yes, Japan still has workdays and weekends, but I really do think it is going to move the same way, and in Japan that could be severe given that we have the oldest population in the world here.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-within-days - apparently antibody test kits will be widely available very soon

if this is accurate (the report, and the test) then this is both very good news and possibly bad news. The good part of it should be fairly obvious, but the bad part is I can see it causing mayhem, getting hold of the test but mainly also people starting to go out and socialise again will mean lots of people will just start claiming they've taken the test and come out positive...this needs to be managed extremely carefully, which is something our govt and many others are spectacularly failing at so far
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Number of deaths in USA continues to accelerate. It is so terrifying that the USA administration appears committed to loosen restrictions under these circumstances and even before we will be anywhere close to having enough masks and testing kits. Many European countries still increasing but not accelerating. Still looks as if Italy may have finally begun to get some level of control:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

China still stands out as to a successful response after initial failures. Ironically Iran looks like they are starting to be successful, but I have no reason to trust those numbers.

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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Number of deaths in USA continues to accelerate. It is so terrifying that the USA administration appears committed to loosen restrictions under these circumstances and even before we will be anywhere close to having enough masks and testing kits. Many European countries still increasing but not accelerating. Still looks as if Italy may have finally begun to get some level of control:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

China still stands out as to a successful response after initial failures. Ironically Iran looks like they are starting to be successful, but I have no reason to trust those numbers.
Iran is a very odd case. It was pretty clear that even as they began to get large numbers, there were unofficial reports that they had had many, many more deaths than reported, sometimes orders of magnitude out.

I think it is really difficult to know what's going on there other than however bad it is being reported it is much worse.
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Originally Posted by DreadNiK View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-within-days - apparently antibody test kits will be widely available very soon

if this is accurate (the report, and the test) then this is both very good news and possibly bad news. The good part of it should be fairly obvious, but the bad part is I can see it causing mayhem, getting hold of the test but mainly also people starting to go out and socialise again will mean lots of people will just start claiming they've taken the test and come out positive...this needs to be managed extremely carefully, which is something our govt and many others are spectacularly failing at so far
But at least with something else in short supply for the general public's attention to be fixated on getting access to, loo roll might be available again!
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Prince Charles is isolating at Balmoral with Covid 19.

Meanwhile Prince Andrew is isolating at Windsor with Jennifer, 15.

(from Keith Allen)
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Ha! I know what you mean.
But yes, Japan still has workdays and weekends, but I really do think it is going to move the same way, and in Japan that could be severe given that we have the oldest population in the world here.

I recall a recent documentary covering the problem of increasing numbers of elder parents in Japan going to 'homes' instead of traditionally living with their kids/grandkids. They mentioned how nurses had to be imported - I think from the Philippines.
Perhaps a blessing in disguise for the spread. Arguably not something you would do purposely though.

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From page 82 of the last thread:
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It may be different in the UK, but here the medication is Avlocor https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/5490/pil
It's prescription-only for malaria for human use, but fishkeepers order it online

It's not a tank cleaner, it's a specific fish treatment that can cure white spot and velvet disease which are ectoparasites.

So it's the human drug that is used in the UK, there is no specific drug for fish only. Might be different in USA?

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Just want to add that in the US the FDA does regulate the manufacture of pharmaceuticals for animals, too. Frequently they are made on the same production lines. So, you can pretty safely assume that drugs for fish are about as pure as any similar human drugs.
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https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3556998

Two researchers from MIT have just published a study in the journal Social Science Research Network that suggests the virus may spread slower in warm humid environments. The research is preliminary and by no means suggests that the virus won't spread in warm humid areas.

Still, it's encouraging. The link above is to the abstract for the paper. There are links on that page to the full paper for those interested.
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Prince Charles is isolating at Balmoral with Covid 19.

Meanwhile Prince Andrew is isolating at Windsor with Jennifer, 15.

(from Keith Allen)
Brilliant! I LOL'd.

Should be in the humour thread.
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Couple of posts from the closed thread:

Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
That's a big "what if" question. I have no idea. We have no data to determine the answer. But Italy shows some actual data. And it seems to be looking good. I'm at least preliminary going with the data we have rather than data from blind speculation.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...8#post13031868

Italy's data only shows the slowdown and the point was about what happens when the shutdown ends. Italy provides no answers there, and it isn't speculation but scientific reality that if countries open up while cases are unaccounted for, it will break out again.

Originally Posted by Cheetah
According to Google The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.

They are off course implying a LOT more people died. Could this be true.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0#post13031970

Wow, I've covered this a few times and no, it could not be true.

1 The Falun Gong has a long and bitter history with PRC and would miss no opportunity to attack it.

2 When we have satellite pictures of trenches dug to inter a few thousand Iranians, it's pretty obvious you aren't going to be able to hide millions of deaths.

3 Even in the repressed and controlled country of China, word gets out, and you couldn't possibly hide millions of deaths. An excellent example is how they couldn't hide the mere handful that started all this.

I'm surprised Trump hasn't quoted it, but I bet Breitbart has.
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Brilliant! I LOL'd.

Should be in the humour thread.
OK, I'll put it there.
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It would help to give people a reasonable alternative. Are there government-run television channels in Japan?

If so, devote one to cherry blossoms. Twelve hours a day. Six two-person roving camera crews, some directors in a studio/van, and the necessary technicians. No chatter. No celebrities. No commercials. Music optional.

Not as good as being there, but better than any standard TV or Internet alternative version.
Japan is incredibly well versed in the internet. It would not need to be on TV.

This made me think of something funny here in the US. Anyone ever leave the burning Yule Log on the TV channel on Christmas?
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Celebrity chef Floyd Cardoz has passed away in a hospital in New Jersey after being admitted with COVID-19. He was 59 years old. He returned from filming a Netflix series in India on the 8th, admitted himself to the hospital on the 17th because he was feverish, and tested positive on the 18th.

I remember watching him compete on Top Chef Masters. One challenge was to prepare a dish using various live insects as ingredients, but his beliefs wouldn't let him personally kill any animal, so he forfeited that round and served them on the side as a live "garnish".
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pot and the virus

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coro...ampaign=200325

I found this interesting. Marijuana dispensaries are going strong, and most are remaining open and experiencing a high volume of sales.
It make sense to me. Has anyone altered their use in any way, because of the virus?
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mass. has cut off the rec. users.

medical only for now.

I was only a week ahead of that.
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Trump supporters are turning on Fauci

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-target-147401

His real crime: He is not sufficently worshipful of Dear Leader.
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coro...ampaign=200325

I found this interesting. Marijuana dispensaries are going strong, and most are remaining open and experiencing a high volume of sales.
It make sense to me. Has anyone altered their use in any way, because of the virus?

Freetown Christiania in Copenhagen has barricaded itself against all visitors to protect itself from the virus, so now the pot peddlers have lost the place where they used to sell (still illegal) pot: Pushere er rykket på gaden i København: 'Det er helt uacceptabelt (DR.dk, March 24, 2020)
So they are now selling it in the streets of residential areas next to Christiania, and the residents aren't happy.
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The governor of Tokyo is now requesting that people in the city don't go out at the weekend except for essential visits.
The problem is that cherry-blossom season is beginning and a lot of crowds are expected.
We've all seen this movie before and I am pretty sure the request will fall on deaf ears.
The news is at least informing people that numbers are likely to explode.

They closed the park where the Copenhagen Sakura Festival was going to take place.
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Old 25th March 2020, 12:46 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by calebprime View Post
mass. has cut off the rec. users.

medical only for now.

I was only a week ahead of that.
Can somebody translate this ? What language is it anyway ?
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Old 25th March 2020, 12:49 PM   #33
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Number of deaths in USA continues to accelerate. It is so terrifying that the USA administration appears committed to loosen restrictions under these circumstances and even before we will be anywhere close to having enough masks and testing kits.
Since almost all of the restrictions in the USA were imposed by state or local governments, Trump has limited ability to lift the restrictions. So it might be a case of trying to have it both ways: blaming governors and mayors for the negatives stemming from the restrictions while not having to deal with the consequences of the restrictions being prematurely lifted.
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Old 25th March 2020, 12:50 PM   #34
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Massachusetts has suspended sale of recreational pot. Medical use only.
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Old 25th March 2020, 12:54 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump supporters are turning on Fauci

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-target-147401
You mean a minority of Trump supporters (according to the article itself).
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Old 25th March 2020, 12:57 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
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"Can no longer 420 Blaze It."
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
Has anyone altered their use in any way, because of the virus?
I have. I don't use very often as it is, but haven't hit the jazz cabbage at all since the covid-19 outbreak.

Trying to practice good respiratory system health.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump supporters are turning on Fauci

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-target-147401

His real crime: He is not sufficently worshipful of Dear Leader.
And Fauci is seriously messing with their fantasy beliefs.
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Freetown Christiania in Copenhagen has barricaded itself against all visitors to protect itself from the virus,.....
I wonder if they can actually keep the plague out. I'm going with: No. It will come on on fomites.
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
Since almost all of the restrictions in the USA were imposed by state or local governments, Trump has limited ability to lift the restrictions. So it might be a case of trying to have it both ways: blaming governors and mayors for the negatives stemming from the restrictions while not having to deal with the consequences of the restrictions being prematurely lifted.
That's how fantasies work, you can have everything.
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