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Old 1st December 2019, 04:34 PM   #1
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F Graham (son of Billy) "Opposing Trump is the work of the Devil"

And another threshold of crazy is crossed by some Evangelical leaders. Why in hell is this idiot, Trump, some kind of Evangelical hero?

The Atlantic: Are Trump’s Critics Demonically Possessed?
Two of the president’s prominent evangelical supporters are literally demonizing his opponents.
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It isn’t enough for Franklin Graham and Eric Metaxas, two prominent figures within the American evangelical movement, to lavish praise on President Donald Trump. They have now decided they must try to demonize his critics.

Literally....

During his November 21 interview with Graham, Metaxas, a Salem Radio Network talk-show host, asked the son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, “What do you think of what is happening now? I mean, it’s a very bizarre situation to be living in a country where some people seem to exist to undermine the president of the United States. It's just a bizarre time for most Americans.”

Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelical Association, responded, “Well, I believe it’s almost a demonic power that is trying—”

At which point Metaxas interjected, “I would disagree. It’s not almost demonic. You know and I know, at the heart, it’s a spiritual battle.”

Not about money, no siree:
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...(Graham argued that a strong economy leads to more tithing and church-building programs.) ...

To which Graham responded, “I believe that Donald Trump believes—he believes in God. He believes in Jesus Christ. His depth—he doesn’t, you know, he went to churches here in New York; he didn’t get a whole lot of teaching.”
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...They didn’t make the case that Trump critics are sincere but wrong, or even that they are insincere and unpatriotic. Instead, they felt compelled to portray those with whom they disagree politically as under demonic influences, which for a Christian is about as serious an accusation as there is. It means their opponents are the embodiment of evil, the “enemy,” anti-God, a kind of anti-Christ.

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Just ask yourself where this game ends. Do demonic powers explain opposition to all politicians supported by Graham and Metaxas, or to Trump alone? Would they argue that all Christians (and non-Christians) who oppose Trump are under the influence of Satan? ...

For Graham and Metaxas, it appears that agreeing with them equates to agreeing with God—and disagreeing with them, at least when it comes to Donald Trump, means doing the work of the evil one.
Of course they went on to lie about Trump's economy (great) and falsely denigrate Obama's (a disaster).

But when Clinton's economy was even better, these guys were not excusing his morals.
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Old 1st December 2019, 05:26 PM   #2
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Of course, the Grahams and Metaxas and a whole bunch of those guys know EXACTLY what God is thinking. They have his voice in their heads...as do many lunatics.



Reality is this is all about money and that's all. They don't want the sheep they are fleecing to get any ideas that they could be sheep.
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Old 1st December 2019, 06:59 PM   #3
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Old 1st December 2019, 09:43 PM   #4
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Seems like an odd position for a "religious" man to take, given Trump appears to me to fit all the qualifications expected of the Antichrist...
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Old 1st December 2019, 10:10 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Seems like an odd position for a "religious" man to take, given Trump appears to me to fit all the qualifications expected of the Antichrist...
"Religious"??! Are you kidding? My goldfish is more "religious" than any of them.

You need to remember that evangelism in the USA is inevitably a giant money-making scam with a very thin and usually cracked veneer of religiosity stuck over it. Its success is totally reliant on the sheep remaining sheep. Under no circumstances would anyone reasonably expect these people to actually adhere to any precepts we would expect of a "religious" practitioner. It's all about the money for them, and the scams they use to get it. And if that means utterly illogical and contradictory pronouncements, and suck-like-your-life-depends-on-it for The Donald, they will do it. Not a scruple in sight.
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Old 1st December 2019, 10:54 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
"Religious"??! Are you kidding? My goldfish is more "religious" than any of them.

You need to remember that evangelism in the USA is inevitably a giant money-making scam with a very thin and usually cracked veneer of religiosity stuck over it. Its success is totally reliant on the sheep remaining sheep. Under no circumstances would anyone reasonably expect these people to actually adhere to any precepts we would expect of a "religious" practitioner. It's all about the money for them, and the scams they use to get it. And if that means utterly illogical and contradictory pronouncements, and suck-like-your-life-depends-on-it for The Donald, they will do it. Not a scruple in sight.
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Old 1st December 2019, 11:13 PM   #7
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Evangelicals aren't a religion, they are a multi-level marketing scheme.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 12:10 AM   #8
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I think that's a good description.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 04:51 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Seems like an odd position for a "religious" man to take, given Trump appears to me to fit all the qualifications expected of the Antichrist...
Remember for many Chrisitians the anti christ is necessary for "the end times".
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Old 2nd December 2019, 06:18 AM   #10
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Don't forget, this is the same clown who is taking tuition for his "school" and buying up all sorts of property with it-which is NOT for the school.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 09:04 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC View Post
Don't forget, this is the same clown who is taking tuition for his "school" and buying up all sorts of property with it-which is NOT for the school.

It’s amazing how effective a con religion can be.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 04:31 PM   #12
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My pet conspiracy theory:

It's all about Pence. The end goal of the evangelicals is a christian theocracy in the US. Christian evangelicals agreed to put their support (estimated at around 33% of the US vote) behind Trump if he brought Mike Pence with him.

If Trump is put out of office for any reason, Pence takes over. If Trump goes one term, Pence was brought to the world stage. If Trump goes two full terms, then Pence will have 8 years of presidential grooming. It's win-win-win. Pence is only 60 years old, he will be in prime presidential candidate age for some time to come.

Check out Pence's stuff from the 90's and early 2000's. Even w/out the gay-conversion therapy crap, he's a hardcore jeebus guy who thinks everyone should have a super puritan lifestyle.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 05:13 PM   #13
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I’m distracted from Franklin Graham’s actual words by the whiff of brimstone and treason every time he opens his mouth.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 05:15 PM   #14
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I’m distracted from Franklin Graham’s actual words by the whiff of brimstone and treason every time he opens his mouth.
Do you think he should be tried for treason?
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Old 2nd December 2019, 06:40 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Max_mang View Post
My pet conspiracy theory:

It's all about Pence. The end goal of the evangelicals is a christian theocracy in the US. Christian evangelicals agreed to put their support (estimated at around 33% of the US vote) behind Trump if he brought Mike Pence with him.

If Trump is put out of office for any reason, Pence takes over.
Nice theory, but it's wrong. If Trump wasn't personally good for them it would be a different story. Pence was just their insurance policy in case Trump screwed it up.
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Old 2nd December 2019, 06:43 PM   #16
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Do you think he should be tried for treason?
Only if the other 62,984,827 traitors who voted for Trump are too.
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Old 3rd December 2019, 10:33 AM   #17
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Remember for many Chrisitians the anti christ is necessary for "the end times".
You even get such nonsense in Catholicism, look at Lord of the World (wiki) a century old End Times dystopia by a RCC priest which has been depressingly popular with several popes.
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You had me at he's against Trump. You don't have to oversell Satan
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Pence is utterly optional at this point: if you asked Evangelicals who they'd rather have as President, it would be Trump, not Pence.
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I deal with a lot of Evangelicals at AA, and yes, they are very pro-Trump.
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You even get such nonsense in Catholicism, look at Lord of the World (wiki) a century old End Times dystopia by a RCC priest which has been depressingly popular with several popes.
Even more depressing is the same author's Dawn of All. More depressing because it is a Utopia, relating events that the author wishes to happen. The resulting text would have warmed Torquemada's heart. Of interest, Benson was a convert to Catholicism. His father was Archbishop of Canterbury, no less, from 1883 until his death in 1896.

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To keep the Russians out of our elections, I'd gladly make common cause with the Devil.
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