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Old 10th June 2019, 12:38 PM   #1201
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
All the greatest leaders rule by bypassing the other branches of government and simply saying anything is an emergency after all.
Then why not have an "emergency" and march Trump and Pence off government property and out of office, and let whoever is next be president and stop the rot.
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Old 10th June 2019, 01:00 PM   #1202
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I don't think Lindsey Graham is too happy about this. But it's probably not enough to provoke open criticism of Trump.

It's one thing to defy House Dems. Rah rah. But his defying the Republican Senate is going to bug some GOP senators.

It's not as if he cares. He flat out told the Republicans that they should sit down, shut up, and do what he tells them. I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but he said that they should support their President and not oppose his decisions, no matter what.
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Old 10th June 2019, 01:03 PM   #1203
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
It's not as if he cares. He flat out told the Republicans that they should sit down, shut up, and do what he tells them. I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but he said that they should support their President and not oppose his decisions, no matter what.
So, basically every Republican Congress-critter could be replaced by a simple PowerShell script?

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Old 10th June 2019, 01:10 PM   #1204
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I found the quote.

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The president said Congress, "should be saying, 'we are with the President, we will do whatever he wants to do,' and Mexico would fold like an umbrella."

I just realized the irony of that statement, since he doesn't know how to fold an umbrella.

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Old 10th June 2019, 01:38 PM   #1205
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
It's not as if he cares. He flat out told the Republicans that they should sit down, shut up, and do what he tells them. I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but he said that they should support their President and not oppose his decisions, no matter what.
Thanks for digging up the quote. I thought you were saying that Graham told Republicans this. Which would surprise me. Trump doesn't have to care about GOP senators but just ignoring them might not work so great either, because he's asking a lot of them, including signing on to a coverup without knowing exactly what they're covering up. Many disagree with him about Russia and Saudi Arabia, and not just for the sake of disagreeing - they seem to be actually concerned. They're losing face, IMO. Sooner or later something's got to give.

A third of the Senate is in play in the 2020 presidential race. So far they've gone all in with Trump. If that changes, the power dynamics will shift dramatically. It might not even take that much. In my state a GOP senator who rolls over for Trump at this point would (will) be vulnerable to both primary challengers and Democratic candidates.

ETA: And what a dispiriting quote. "Congress, you should be a rubber stamp for me because I'm the president." That's got to rub some of them the wrong way.

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Old 10th June 2019, 01:44 PM   #1206
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Thanks for digging up the quote. I thought you were saying that Graham told Republicans this. Which would surprise me. Trump doesn't have to care about GOP senators but just ignoring them might not work so great either, because he's asking a lot of them, including signing on to a coverup without knowing exactly what they're covering up. Many disagree with him about Russia and Saudi Arabia, and not just for the sake of disagreeing - they seem to be actually concerned. They're losing face, IMO. Sooner or later something's got to give.

A third of the Senate is in play in the 2020 presidential race. So far they've gone all in with Trump. If that changes, the power dynamics will shift dramatically. It might not even take that much. In my state a GOP senator who rolls over for Trump at this point would (will) be vulnerable to both primary challengers and Democratic candidates.
The problem they face has been brought up before. Most of the more moderate conservatives have left the GOP, leaving it consisting or an overwhelming majority of Trump supporters. In order to run again, they have to get the nomination in the Primaries. So they have to at least allow the Trump line and not rock the boat, at least until primaries are done. Then they'll have to be able to show a more moderate side to win in general elections, because even if Trumpers are a majority in the GOP, they're a minority in the general population.

I suspect we'll see more resistance to Trump by Republicans once primaries are over.
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Old 10th June 2019, 02:11 PM   #1207
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The problem they face has been brought up before. Most of the more moderate conservatives have left the GOP, leaving it consisting or an overwhelming majority of Trump supporters. In order to run again, they have to get the nomination in the Primaries. So they have to at least allow the Trump line and not rock the boat, at least until primaries are done. Then they'll have to be able to show a more moderate side to win in general elections, because even if Trumpers are a majority in the GOP, they're a minority in the general population.

I suspect we'll see more resistance to Trump by Republicans once primaries are over.
More than a year is a long time to stay the course.

I wrote more, but I seem to be stuck on cliches today.

Maybe Trump can use money from the Saudi emergency to pay for the Mexican emergency. Kind of like Iran-Contra.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:56 AM   #1208
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Thanks for digging up the quote. I thought you were saying that Graham told Republicans this. Which would surprise me. Trump doesn't have to care about GOP senators but just ignoring them might not work so great either, because he's asking a lot of them, including signing on to a coverup without knowing exactly what they're covering up. Many disagree with him about Russia and Saudi Arabia, and not just for the sake of disagreeing - they seem to be actually concerned. They're losing face, IMO. Sooner or later something's got to give.
Until voters care what does any of this matter? This isn't costing them votes, it isn't losing support from the republican party. They will fold like they folded every other time he ignored the laws they passed.
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ETA: And what a dispiriting quote. "Congress, you should be a rubber stamp for me because I'm the president." That's got to rub some of them the wrong way.
Assumes they are capable of feeling shame. McConnel certainly isn't.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:58 AM   #1209
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
More than a year is a long time to stay the course.

I wrote more, but I seem to be stuck on cliches today.

Maybe Trump can use money from the Saudi emergency to pay for the Mexican emergency. Kind of like Iran-Contra.
I don't think that works because it isn't the government selling the weapons after all just allowing it. And the wall is way more expensive than this arms sale as well.

Now when the reserves are mobilized to paint it, Trump Sawyer will win the hearts of all veterans. That is what the reserves are clearly for after all.
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:42 AM   #1210
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
More than a year is a long time to stay the course.

I wrote more, but I seem to be stuck on cliches today.

Maybe Trump can use money from the Saudi emergency to pay for the Mexican emergency. Kind of like Iran-Contra.
True. It is a good test of what motivates them more: keeping their job or doing what's best for the nation.
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Old 11th June 2019, 08:27 AM   #1211
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True. It is a good test of what motivates them more: keeping their job or doing what's best for the nation.
Like that is even in question.
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Old 18th June 2019, 01:23 AM   #1212
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Trump tweets

Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border. Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!
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Old 18th June 2019, 01:31 AM   #1213
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My guess this is just more empty rhetoric: if ICE had a list of millions of "deportables", they would already have taken them away.
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"tens of millions", eh? Let's say 30 million. That's 10% of the US population. Imagine of they were real numbers and 30 million people were thrown out of the USA in a short period of time. Hilarity would surely ensue.

Trump is not only exaggerating, he's indulging in playing to his base just before the launch of his re-election campaign. It's all smoke blowing up asses. Fake fumes.
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Old 18th June 2019, 05:23 AM   #1215
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My guess this is just more empty rhetoric: if ICE had a list of millions of "deportables", they would already have taken them away.
What does he think ICE does all day?
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Old 18th June 2019, 05:36 AM   #1216
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border.

They got a lot done in the past week.
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Old 18th June 2019, 05:47 AM   #1217
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump tweets

Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border.
Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!
So if it's all working out so well, I guess there is no longer a "National Emergency" at the southern border.

Amirite, Donny?
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Old 18th June 2019, 06:06 AM   #1218
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They got a lot done in the past week.


And it's clear that Mexico has learned the North Korean Lesson: Give Trump some small meaningless concession, and he'll act as if he's won the Superbowl, and all his rhetoric about tariffs or sanctions will disappear like a popped soap bubble.
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They got a lot done in the past week.
Are you seeing the caravans?

No??

See!

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump tweets

Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border. Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!
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"tens of millions", eh? Let's say 30 million. That's 10% of the US population. Imagine of they were real numbers and 30 million people were thrown out of the USA in a short period of time. Hilarity would surely ensue.

Trump is not only exaggerating, he's indulging in playing to his base just before the launch of his re-election campaign. It's all smoke blowing up asses. Fake fumes.
Assuming Swoop has quoted the tweet correctly, it's just "the millions", not "tens of millions". But your second paragraph is spot on.
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I found the quote.




I just realized the irony of that statement, since he doesn't know how to fold an umbrella.
Folding an umbrella? He can hire someone to do that.
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"tens of millions", eh? Let's say 30 million. That's 10% of the US population. Imagine of they were real numbers and 30 million people were thrown out of the USA in a short period of time. Hilarity would surely ensue.

Trump is not only exaggerating, he's indulging in playing to his base just before the launch of his re-election campaign. It's all smoke blowing up asses. Fake fumes.
He's in the habit of bashing some minority group or other whenever he looks particularly weak, and transgendered folks and immigrants are his go-to targets for this.

*shrug*
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"tens of millions", eh?
Where did he say that?
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Where did he say that?
He didn't, Norman Alexander just misread it. But the post is correct otherwise.
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Folding an umbrella? He can hire someone to do that.
Yes, but he'd probably neglect to hire someone to pay them
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump tweets

Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border. Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!
....and we won't need to waste billions of dollars on my stupid wall!
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Old 18th June 2019, 02:45 PM   #1227
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Here's the Rolling Stone article on this latest horrible Trump action. Forgive me if it's already been cited.

Why Did Trump Tip Off Immigrants That ICE Will Begin Deporting ‘Millions’ Next Week?

It's worth at least skimming, but it's very depressing.
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Old 18th June 2019, 02:55 PM   #1228
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Here's the Rolling Stone article on this latest horrible Trump action. Forgive me if it's already been cited.

Why Did Trump Tip Off Immigrants That ICE Will Begin Deporting ‘Millions’ Next Week?

It's worth at least skimming, but it's very depressing.
From the article:
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So tight-lipped is the administration about ICE’s raids that, in 2018, Trump threatened Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf with criminal charges for revealing that a deportation order was in the works. “I would recommend that you look into obstruction of justice for the mayor of Oakland, California,” the president told reporters in the White House. “She advises thousands of people to get out of here, the law enforcement’s coming. You worked on that long and hard and you got there and there were very few people there. To me that’s obstruction of justice.”
Oh, the sweet, sweet irony.
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Oh, the sweet, sweet irony.
And entirely lost on Donny. Not only is he supremely oblivious to himself all the time, he forgets what he said 10 seconds ago. So how do you expect him to remember or care what he said last year!
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...day/index.html

"National Emergency" yet?


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https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...day/index.html

"National Emergency" yet?


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It’s always been a humanitarian crisis. Trump has made it exponentially worse. Not exactly the invasion of rapists and criminals emergency that Trump has been selling to the rubes.
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It’s always been a humanitarian crisis. Trump has made it exponentially worse. Not exactly the invasion of rapists and criminals emergency that Trump has been selling to the rubes.
Trump's policies have made things worse. In this specific instance, the father was denied asylum at a legal port of entry and then tried to cross the border by swimming. Had this man not been turned away at the port, he would not have drowned.
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There is no emergency. What's left to discuss?
Cool story bro.

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Trump's policies have made things worse. In this specific instance, the father was denied asylum at a legal port of entry and then tried to cross the border by swimming. Had this man not been turned away at the port, he would not have drowned.
Was he denied? He applied and was denied? Source please, only thing I can find is that he was told the office was closed to come back the next day. Now that's way different than what you have said here.

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Old 27th June 2019, 07:47 AM   #1235
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Cool story bro.

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Hey, cool dig. Only 4 months and 21 pages late, too.
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Did anyone see Trump's response to the picture? I don't have a transcript, but the moron blamed Democrats. In his fact-free rambling idiocy, Trump claimed that the Democrats want open borders, and with open borders more people will drown. Leaving aside the 'the results of my policies are the other team's fault', and the stupid misrepresentation of the Democratic position, how exactly would allowing people to cross the border at will cause them to seek out dangerous crossings like swimming rather than safe crossings like the one this father was turned away from?
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Old 27th June 2019, 09:41 AM   #1237
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Hey, cool dig. Only 4 months and 21 pages late, too.
One of these things is not like the other.

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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Did anyone see Trump's response to the picture? I don't have a transcript, but the moron blamed Democrats. In his fact-free rambling idiocy, Trump claimed that the Democrats want open borders, and with open borders more people will drown. Leaving aside the 'the results of my policies are the other team's fault', and the stupid misrepresentation of the Democratic position, how exactly would allowing people to cross the border at will cause them to seek out dangerous crossings like swimming rather than safe crossings like the one this father was turned away from?
You mean Trump has the audacity to remind everyone that the humanitarian crisis Democrats claimed did not exist, really does exist after all?

Democrats: "OMG that photo blows our narrative, what do we do now! Quick someone blame Trump!"

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Old 27th June 2019, 10:01 AM   #1239
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
You mean Trump has the audacity to remind everyone that the humanitarian crisis Democrats claimed did not exist, really does exist after all?

Democrats: "OMG that photo blows our narrative, what do we do now! Quick someone blame Trump!"

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Less people would drown with an open border. Trump's statement didn't make sense was the point.
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Old 27th June 2019, 10:04 AM   #1240
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
You mean Trump has the audacity to remind everyone that the humanitarian crisis Democrats claimed did not exist, really does exist after all?

Democrats: "OMG that photo blows our narrative, what do we do now! Quick someone blame Trump!"

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Remind? Trump has manufactured this "crisis". The only crisis this photo tells us is that Trump's policy caused this death.
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