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The sad case of Niels Harrit
I came across a Danish interview of Niels Harrit today, from the program 'Good Morning Denmark' April 07, 2009.
I could not believe the total rubbish that he was putting out there. Starting with a complete denial that the plane impacts and fires had anything to do with the WTC tower collapses !?! he behaved like a person untouched by reality. The most astonishing and disturbing statements he made were these: (according to the translation) 'There has never been a forensic investigation of this event. (9/11) No evidence has been put forward. No one has been formally charged. The police and FBI have not charged anyone, and no-one is 'wanted'. So who is crazy here?' He asks in response to the interviewer's question. He seems unaware of Khalid Shiek Mohammed, who I think was at the top of the FBI's most wanted list. And oblivious to the trial of Zacharias Mousawi, the '20th hijacker'. He seems oblivious to a great deal of truth and reality. Must be nice being a leader in the 9/11 truth movement - you can just say whatever you like without any real evidence, and the truther cult laps it up like warm milk. There's not much truth in 9/11 truth it seems. I've annotated the video with my usual snide comments. Enjoy:
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Is this the guy who invented (read:made up the term) "Nano-Thermite", or was that Jones?
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Niels is just as inept as Jones. I love how Jones claimed he would send the paint chi...I mean "nano-Thermite" samples to an independent lab. But no suprise he goes around the world (i'm sure there's plenty of independent labs in the U.S.) and gets it into the hands of fellow Truther Harrit. What happened to objectivism?
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Is Neils Harrit tenured? Honest question, I'm wondering how he could stay employed at University of Copenhagen or wherever he teaches after that interview and the Bentham debacle.
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http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...2b728514ea.gif "The evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job just keeps not coming in." --pomeroo |
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Poor truthers are stuck with Harrit and Jones nano-evidence.
The "loaded Is nano-evidence visible to truthers? |
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Hi Tony,
So do you also hold the opinion that no forensic investigation has been done, or that neither police or the FBI have charged anyone connected to the crimes of 9/11? Don't you think Harrit is just a wee bit delusional? Maybe that's the norm for truthers, I don't know. Happily I don't know many of them personally ![]() |
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Is it a coincidence that several other 'leaders' of 9/11 truth appear to be ******* crazy? Jim Fetzer and Judy Wood come to mind as prime suspects. Judging from a recent interview with Kevin Ryan he actually believes that several companies which worked on the NIST investigation are actually 9/11 perps! That's fairly standard truther paranoia, though, nothing special.
Steven Jones doesn't seem to know whether he's coming or going: He used to insist on sulphur and zinc being proof of thermite, now he's insisting that their absence is proof of nanothermite, but he still can't figure out how it would have been used in either case - did it melt steel laterally by some unknown but magic process or did it explode exactly like other high explosives but silently and without shockwaves? Oh yeah, he lately posits that it might have been used merely as a detonator for conventional high explosives, and was painted onto something somehow. OK, sure, whatever.... There's so many holes, contradictions and deadends in his thinking that if he manages not to fade into complete obscurity fairly soon I'd be surprised. But he doesn't seem as loopy as Harrit. If this is the best leadership 9/11 truth can come up with, I'd say times are very tough indeed. To add to the misery, Bentham's has just been exposed as having very questionable 'peer review' as well.http://www.newscientist.com/article/...d-journal.html |
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New to this, eh?
That was the assessment I reached after running an experiment about two and a half years ago. In the intervening time since I reached a verdict, no more intelligent or rational Truth Movement leaders have appeared. There have been isolated individuals who actually have good things to say, but all of them have grown apart from the Truth Movement. I speak of those like Gregory Urich, John Farmer, etc. -- those who the Truth Movement should be listening to, yet choose not to. Hence why I have more interest in helping those who want it, than taunting those who don't. It's more productive. |
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Just for the record - Niels Harrit als believes that the Pentagon hole has a size of 4.6 x 5.5 meter and he recommends DRGs "New Pearl Harbor". Read his "9/11 - A roadblock or a shortcut to peace and democracy?" (can´t link it yet). In a german interview at gulli.com he also states that the bomb-sniffing dogs at WTC were removed two weeks before 9/11 and UL certified the WTC steel.
Clearly an archetypal truther with a bunch of strange ideas. |
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Harrit has also published himself on the Swedish site Newsmill.se. Its a respectable site, but it has an "Open Forum" where Harrit made is contribution. Here is the Google Translate version. Since Harrit mostly repost standard trutherism, I'd say you can fill in when Google does a poor job.
Funny thing, he and a swede named Fredrik Roswall has been posting articles about 911 in the Open Forum, but they have a problem with a antisemitic truther in the comment field whom agrees with them, but apparently not in a fashion they like. And here Fredrik Roswall, again, writes a report on a lecture Harrit had in Malmö in the south of Sweden. Again Google translate. |
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I found it today in this post http://www.internationalskeptics.com...82#post4802182 I can only take credit for reading it |
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He STILL uses the Silverstein "pull it" -quote in his demonstration as confirmation of a demolition. Sooooooo last season. Actually, so last last last last last last season. That claim was "invented" in 2003, was hot in 2004-2006 and went out of style in 2007. Almost nobody brought it up in 2008, but now Harrit in 2009. ![]() |
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birds of a paranoid, idiotic, douchebag feather, flock together.
This explains how the paper came to have 9 authors. TAM ![]() |
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Here is a recent, somewhat sceptical interview with Harrit.
http://www.gulli.com/news/world-trad...on-2009-05-24/ Includes a couple of interesting remarks. "Now, ain't it stupid to believe the official conspiracy theory without having been presented one single piece of evidence? Who are the fools?" "There were two airliners, but three skyscrapers. You don't need a scientist to count to three." "My major point: Everyone is lying, everyone is scared. So we have to trust ourselves, and it is not so hard." |
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He goes a long way of not answering:
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He gave a presentation in Switzerland a month ago. The introduction is german but he switches to english after a minute and (mostly) sticks to it. 102min video, embedding deactivated:
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So was Harritt a troofer before he examined these samples?
So does this yet again, like the troofer owned lab in the US, that the analysis was never done by a neutral party? |
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I've just realized- all the 9/11-related stuff is just misdirection aimed at concealing the real conspiracy.
Think about it- the fact that people like Harrit keep turning up spouting five-year-old claims as if they had just popped in from 2003 can have only one explanation. They really are imported from 2003. Don't you see what this means? Time travel exists and the NWO is covering it up!!!1111! Wake up sheeple!!! |
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There are dolts all over the world who believe this tripe. Good post; noteworthy were your comments on the video's content; right on the money.
[quote=Childlike Empress;4805574]... The introduction is german but he switches to english ...[/quote] Great insight into truther failure. The guy is a pathetic idiot who spews lies. Why are all the dolts in this failed movement claiming nano-thermite? What gets me he failed to state the impact energy, the heat of the fires in joules, the fact the insulation was compromised, the fact the fires were no fought, and the fact he has no evidence to support his moronic ideas. A video of an idiot and only a few nuts will believe his lies. He is a fake scientist? His biases speak for him instead of his science? The dolt shows WTC7 fall but his version starts after the penthouse fell seconds earlier and destroyed the interior of the building. Keep your audience in the dark and feed them more manure. The followers are mushrooms feeding on the manure of 911 lies. |
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The fact of the matter is that Jones has reversed the burden of proof. He has written his paper, had it peer reviewed and published.
In the scientific world it is now up to you to disprove what he has established. Sniping and whining from the sidelines cuts no ice on this subject any more. So accept what he says or try to rebutt it in in the traditional time-honoured way. |
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Except that it wasn't peer reviewed. The editor of Bentham resigned when she found out it was published in the journal she was supposed to be editing without her approval. That's not peer review.
The burden of proof is never reversed in academic research. If Jones and Harrit make an argument that the crap they found is nano-thermite, it's up to them to prove it. They can start by publishing their research in an authentic peer reviewed publication (and since they're both reputable academics, they should have no objection to this -- right?). |
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